Give Nintnendo a chance!

[sextus the crazy]

The only title on the new consoles to interest me is Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem, so I guess that's their chance.

Ditto. Otherwise, I'd have no investment at all in the Wii U. As far as I'm concerned, the 3DS is way better than the Wii U.

 

[StriderShinryu]

I think that's because Nintendo releases quality games that appeal to everyone.Think about it how many of the Nintendo haters wish they will go under so they could play Zelda,Mario, and Nintendo's other IPs on a console of their choice?

Or it could be the far more likely scenario where the gamers respect Nintendo for what they do and openly accept that Nintendo makes quality games. They don't, however, want to be handcuffed into buying a separate piece of hardware that they see no other use for except to play the twice yearly good Nintendo games when everything else they enjoy playing is on other pieces of hardware.

 

[Matthew Jabour]

I think that's because Nintendo releases quality games that appeal to everyone.Think about it how many of the Nintendo haters wish they will go under so they could play Zelda,Mario, and Nintendo's other IPs on a console of their choice?

Or it could be the far more likely scenario where the gamers respect Nintendo for what they do and openly accept that Nintendo makes quality games. They don't, however, want to be handcuffed into buying a separate piece of hardware that they see no other use for except to play the twice yearly good Nintendo games when everything else they enjoy playing is on other pieces of hardware.

So, exactly the same as what he said, just worded differently. So glad you're here to clear things up.

 

[GeneralFungi]

I think that's because Nintendo releases quality games that appeal to everyone.Think about it how many of the Nintendo haters wish they will go under so they could play Zelda,Mario, and Nintendo's other IPs on a console of their choice?

Or it could be the far more likely scenario where the gamers respect Nintendo for what they do and openly accept that Nintendo makes quality games. They don't, however, want to be handcuffed into buying a separate piece of hardware that they see no other use for except to play the twice yearly good Nintendo games when everything else they enjoy playing is on other pieces of hardware.

I respect the other consoles but my problem with them is that they are not exactly that unique. They're convenient and complete capable gaming machines, but an up to date gaming PC is better in almost all respects (not to say that they don't have their place).

Nintendo however has always tried to differentiate themselves in some way. You simply cannot get the kind of experience the Wii U gives you on other consoles. They develop consoles specifically to meet their needs while designing their games. They look at ideas for brand new games and while they do that they add features to their consoles to improve the game's overall quality. It is one of the big reasons many of their games are so polished.

What I'm essentially saying is that playing on a Wii U is a unique experience while the other two consoles can for the most part be beaten by a PC. Nintendo knows that their a console developer and they play consoles to their strengths rather then trying to be cheaper gaming computers.

Of course they could go develop third party games and develop consoles. But then again Microsoft could bring Halo to the PS3 and Sony could bring Infamous to Xbox 360. But they don't because the games on the consoles are literally the only thing that makes you choose one console over the other. If Nintendo should go multi-platform why should Sony and Microsoft have their own exclusives?

 

[aba1]

It is mostly the lack of third party support and origenal IP's on the wiiu that keep me away.

 

[balladbird]

it's not impossible that I'll give the wiiU a chance. I'm fairly indifferent about Nintendo as a company. their IPs do nothing for me, and I have less than no interest in whatever super-deluxe-remake-new-new super mario tale of donkey zelda they're up to now. However, if a platform will give me access to enough JRPGs I can't get elsewhere, I'll eventually pick it up.

SMT is a huge weakness of mine in that regard, Just ask my vita. heck, if SMT IV had been a wiiU exclusive instead of a 3DS exclusive, I'd have been very, very hard pressed not to buy one.

Long story short: I'll buy a wii U the instant they can tell me Persona 5 will be Wii U exclusive. Barring that, I'll only pick it up when its JRPG library grows big enough to justify the purchase.

 

[MrHide-Patten]

Why do I read people who are overtly for Nintendo's comments in a childish 'neh-heh-heh-hur' kind of voice?

I myself will pick up a Wii-U when... when... ummm, it offers blowjobs, yes, foolproof!

 

[deadish]

1) No, really, it is there money. They don't have Billions in Stocks for Shareholders to hold, they literally have Billions of dollars in the bank under their name.

2) If it's so gimmicky, why do the XBone and PS4 have Tablet support?

3) If this were the case, then the Wii, DS and 3DS wouldn't be successful, but they are, and they wouldn't have changed the face of gaming, but they did. 3D Mario wouldn't sell over 5 Million Copies, but they do (Super Mario 3D Land, the current 3D Mario title, currently has 8 Million in sales, something most games can't ever reach). And you wouldn't be on this thread if they didn't matter, but you clearly think they matter enough to yell at.

Errr ... Money in the bank aka "retained earning" IS shareholder money. It all is.

Haven't heard about Tablet support for either console. It won't be popular. The default "dual-shock" style controller will still be the bread and butter for just about every game.

Oh, the "Wii did great argument" again. Well so did iPods. The point is, sure it sold well, but as a platform it was irrelevant - all publishers could bother to put on it was cheaply made shovelware - hence irrelevant to just about everyone except Nintendo.

 

[deadish]

Even though I don't care for motion control, it's still around and the Microsoft and (to a lesser extent) Sony are still trying to utilize it. Where have you been that the news of Microsoft's required motion control spy-cam is lost on you??

Have the backlash against MS's "motion control spy-cam" been lost on you?

 

[Rack]

You speak sense. I'm so tired of people dissing Nintendo, without whom we wouldn't even have an industry to be talking about. They have franchises spanning over 30 years, quality and integrity and minus them releasing the WiiU a little early they have so many things in the handheld market they can afford to wait for the holidays and the rest of their releases for next year.

It's not even that.
It just seems that when criticizing Nintendo it's like they get blasted with a flamethrower while the other companies that do things to an even worse extent get a slap on the wrist and a little nagging in the ears.
Like they have much more tolerance to AAA devs for wasting people's money and time on shit games, buggy games, broken games, expensive DLC, and online passes and by next generation all is forgiven, while Nintendo has to "win back their respect" because they didn't release another Metroid game after the shit fest that was Other M.

That's because Nintendo spend that respect and more on forcing people to buy a console that is nothing more than a license to play their games on inferior hardware. If Rocksteady only released their games on a box they sold that did nothing else and was one generation behind the other systems technologically you can bet I'd hold them to higher standards in terms of quality of release schedule.

 

[Techno Squidgy]

Wii would like to play. Would U?

Yes. But none of the games you mentioned interest me, other than Wind Waker HD and the new Smash Bros. However, I already own Wind Waker and Brawl was something of a disappointment. Nintendo first party games don't really interest me anymore. Anything I want third party will most likely be better for me on either PS4 or PC.

 

[Rack]

You speak sense. I'm so tired of people dissing Nintendo, without whom we wouldn't even have an industry to be talking about. They have franchises spanning over 30 years, quality and integrity and minus them releasing the WiiU a little early they have so many things in the handheld market they can afford to wait for the holidays and the rest of their releases for next year.

It's not even that.
It just seems that when criticizing Nintendo it's like they get blasted with a flamethrower while the other companies that do things to an even worse extent get a slap on the wrist and a little nagging in the ears.
Like they have much more tolerance to AAA devs for wasting people's money and time on shit games, buggy games, broken games, expensive DLC, and online passes and by next generation all is forgiven, while Nintendo has to "win back their respect" because they didn't release another Metroid game after the shit fest that was Other M.

That's because Nintendo spend that respect and more on forcing people to buy a console that is nothing more than a license to play their games on inferior hardware. If Rocksteady only released their games on a box they sold that did nothing else and was one generation behind the other systems technologically you can bet I'd hold them to higher standards in terms of quality of release schedule.

I wonder if you complain just as much about Microsoft forcing you to buy a Xbox 360 to play Gears of War or Halo?What about Sony forcing you to buy a PS3 to play Killzone,Uncharted,and many other IPs that are exclusively on that console?

Why does Nintendo get all the flak for making people buy their consoles to play their games when the other two do it just as much?

Because Nintendo opted out of giving you anything for your money when you buy one of their consoles. If I buy a PS4 I can play Sony's first party games but I can also play all the major third party releases for the next 8 years or so and I can expect those games to look and play better because of the improved technology in the PS4. If I buy a WiiU I can play games Nintendo have financed, maybe one or two games from other publishers and that's it.

 

[Dragonbums]

You speak sense. I'm so tired of people dissing Nintendo, without whom we wouldn't even have an industry to be talking about. They have franchises spanning over 30 years, quality and integrity and minus them releasing the WiiU a little early they have so many things in the handheld market they can afford to wait for the holidays and the rest of their releases for next year.

It's not even that.
It just seems that when criticizing Nintendo it's like they get blasted with a flamethrower while the other companies that do things to an even worse extent get a slap on the wrist and a little nagging in the ears.
Like they have much more tolerance to AAA devs for wasting people's money and time on shit games, buggy games, broken games, expensive DLC, and online passes and by next generation all is forgiven, while Nintendo has to "win back their respect" because they didn't release another Metroid game after the shit fest that was Other M.

That's because Nintendo spend that respect and more on forcing people to buy a console that is nothing more than a license to play their games on inferior hardware. If Rocksteady only released their games on a box they sold that did nothing else and was one generation behind the other systems technologically you can bet I'd hold them to higher standards in terms of quality of release schedule.

I wonder if you complain just as much about Microsoft forcing you to buy a Xbox 360 to play Gears of War or Halo?What about Sony forcing you to buy a PS3 to play Killzone,Uncharted,and many other IPs that are exclusively on that console?

Why does Nintendo get all the flak for making people buy their consoles to play their games when the other two do it just as much?

Because Nintendo opted out of giving you anything for your money when you buy one of their consoles. If I buy a PS4 I can play Sony's first party games but I can also play all the major third party releases for the next 8 years or so and I can expect those games to look and play better because of the improved technology in the PS4. If I buy a WiiU I can play games Nintendo have financed, maybe one or two games from other publishers and that's it.

So you don't like their title line up. Fine.
However who's fault do you think it is that Nintendo doesn't have third party support? We all saw how all but Ubisoft, Sega,and Platnium ditched them on the WiiU?
So why is it Nintendo's fault that they don't have third party support?
Your aren't wasting your money for buying a WiiU, because when you buy a Nintendo console, since the fucking N64 era you already knew what you were going to get.
At least I can play my Nintendo games knowing that they won't try to coerce me at every turn to buy a $10.00 map pack, or an overpriced suit design.
As for playing better? Nintendo games are always top quality. The one glitch I can think of in a Nintendo game from the Wii games off the top of my head is Mario falling through snow in the ending credits. Note not the gameplay, but the credits. That's it.
You buy a Nintendo console for Nintendo games. You know that. The consumer knows that. Everyone knows that. If in this day and age people are still getting pissed at this notion than sorry for you, just don't buy their products.
Some people buy the Xbox soley for Halo and a couple of exclusives and that's it. Heck. Some people are going to get the PS4 purely for FF and KH3. Yeah. Two fucking games for a console that costs $400.00 everyone has no problem with that.

 

[Dragonbums]

That's because Nintendo spend that respect and more on forcing people to buy a console that is nothing more than a license to play their games on inferior hardware. If Rocksteady only released their games on a box they sold that did nothing else and was one generation behind the other systems technologically you can bet I'd hold them to higher standards in terms of quality of release schedule.

I'm sorry, but they aren't forcing you to do anything, and they certainly aren't giving you a license for their products. Last time I checked, Nintendos products didn't need a game code or an online check-up to validate it's authenticity.
Inferior hardware- who fucking cares aside from graphic hogs? Most Nintendo games are rated with pretty high scores. Because last time I checked people wanted to play good quality games. Some of the games with the most realistic graphics ended up being the ones that were complete shit. Because visuals came before gameplay.

That's why you have clowns like Cliffy B. Telling you that it's your fault they didn't break even because your obsession with "superior hardware" justifies them spending 10 million dollars to produce shit games that fail if they can't even break 5 million

They always release quality games, and you all know that. That's why you are the ones that are demanding them to go multi platform because you can't stand the fact that a company that makes "inferior" hardware always manages to work around those limitations and make some pretty stunning games.

In fact, in countless interviews Iwata has even said that they develop the hardware to match the goals of their software and vice versa. It's symbiotic for them.
And honestly some of the best third party games are on the Wii are the ones that get that, and see what they can do with the tools at hand. Wonderful 101 I bet you will get stunning reviews. So will X. Because those developers actually care about their games.
Most other devs, the ones that do fuck all but whine about not being able to make a large crowd of people due to limitations (like...who really gives a shit.) are the ones that give you shitty sequels, buggy gameplay, and only sit on their asses waiting for the next tech to come out before they even start making new games.

 

[Dragonbums]

1) No, really, it is there money. They don't have Billions in Stocks for Shareholders to hold, they literally have Billions of dollars in the bank under their name.

2) If it's so gimmicky, why do the XBone and PS4 have Tablet support?

3) If this were the case, then the Wii, DS and 3DS wouldn't be successful, but they are, and they wouldn't have changed the face of gaming, but they did. 3D Mario wouldn't sell over 5 Million Copies, but they do (Super Mario 3D Land, the current 3D Mario title, currently has 8 Million in sales, something most games can't ever reach). And you wouldn't be on this thread if they didn't matter, but you clearly think they matter enough to yell at.

Errr ... Money in the bank aka "retained earning" IS shareholder money. It all is.

Haven't heard about Tablet support for either console. It won't be popular. The default "dual-shock" style controller will still be the bread and butter for just about every game.

Oh, the "Wii did great argument" again. Well so did iPods. The point is, sure it sold well, but as a platform it was irrelevant - all publishers could bother to put on it was cheaply made shovelware - hence irrelevant to just about everyone except Nintendo.

Cool. I guess I mean the money I have is also belongs to somebody else under the fallacy of it being my money with my title of ownership on it.
If this money really belonged to shareholders then explain to me why they haven't just pulled out that money from their banks...maybe it's because it's actually Nintendo's money.
Shareholders haves stocks. They don't don't have anything on Nintendo's money bank.

 

[roushutsu]

I fully intend on getting a Wii U, I've just been waiting for some games that I want to come out for it. Now it looks like a bunch of them are on the way. If I'm going to put a lot of money down on a console, I'm going to want to play with it right away, not have it collect dust as I wait for some games. I think a lot of people feel the same way, so we're just being patient.

 

[deadish]

1) No, really, it is there money. They don't have Billions in Stocks for Shareholders to hold, they literally have Billions of dollars in the bank under their name.

2) If it's so gimmicky, why do the XBone and PS4 have Tablet support?

3) If this were the case, then the Wii, DS and 3DS wouldn't be successful, but they are, and they wouldn't have changed the face of gaming, but they did. 3D Mario wouldn't sell over 5 Million Copies, but they do (Super Mario 3D Land, the current 3D Mario title, currently has 8 Million in sales, something most games can't ever reach). And you wouldn't be on this thread if they didn't matter, but you clearly think they matter enough to yell at.

Errr ... Money in the bank aka "retained earning" IS shareholder money. It all is.

Haven't heard about Tablet support for either console. It won't be popular. The default "dual-shock" style controller will still be the bread and butter for just about every game.

Oh, the "Wii did great argument" again. Well so did iPods. The point is, sure it sold well, but as a platform it was irrelevant - all publishers could bother to put on it was cheaply made shovelware - hence irrelevant to just about everyone except Nintendo.

Cool. I guess I mean the money I have is also belongs to somebody else under the fallacy of it being my money with my title of ownership on it.
If this money really belonged to shareholders then explain to me why they haven't just pulled out that money from their banks...maybe it's because it's actually Nintendo's money.
Shareholders haves stocks. They don't don't have anything on Nintendo's money bank.

Shareholders OWN Nintendo. That's what it means to own shares in a company.

All assets of a company (including cash on hand) is either debt (bank loans, bonds, etc. ) or equity (shares). Anything that isn't debt is equity, ergo, shareholders'. A company doesn't really own any money per se. A company is a machine to make money for its shareholders. Shareholders that are concern about returns on their investments.

I'm quite sure Nintendo's management is under a lot of pressure, from shareholders (who can fire them), to turn their home console business around - hence their out reach to 3rd party developers. No point in wasting money making and pushing hardware that few are buying. Shareholders are probably not happy about the "waste" - they are not investing in a charity.

 

[EvilRoy]

I don't understand why people keep making these topics. It's like walking into a firing range with a target painted on your butt, bending over to pick a clover and acting surprised when someone shoots you in the ass.

I mean, seriously. What response could you have possibly expected? "Oh you're right all this time I haven't been really seeing Nintendo's perspective, I should go out right now and drop 250$ on a console and wait patiently for games to come out for it. Despite being a faceless corporation that exists for the single purpose of making money, I forgot how much a multi-billion dollar multinational company cares about me as an individual."

I know that I am in no way entitled to having Nintendo games on third party platforms or what have you, but Nintendo is not entitled to my money or a "chance". They have to earn that, and they have yet to impress me.

 

[aba1]

I used to be a huge Nintendo fan, but they left me out in the cold for years when the Wii came. Now they have to prove to me they still have what it takes to be the great business I relied on for quality titles.

So far it's looking pretty good since the Wii U is such a big step up from the Wii. I thought they'd never get out of that hole. Now they just have to show they're not releasing another Brawl and Other M and I'm set on getting one.

Ya I am in the exact same boat here.

 

[Lightknight]

I've given Nintendo 30 years of chances. Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Kirby, and the like get tiresome after over a decade of practically non-existent 3rd party development. The gamecube kicked off that crap. Nintendo is practically just one publishing/developing company that forces gamers to buy their proprietary system. At some point I either got tired of playing as the same characters altogether or just grew out of them. Probably the former.

If I'm going to buy a console, it'd better have 3rd party support at the bare minimum. The fact that most everyone doesn't even bother to mention Nintendo anymore in the AAA strata is more telling than anything else. The WiiU is already set up for another generation of being too much weaker than the competition to get the really great titles.

One day, maybe I'll be able to buy their software on other systems. That's when I'll give them a chance again.