yersimapestis said:
Treblaine said:
Foggy_Fishburne said:
So you understand me, you're against me? Look, I just don't want people to die. I don't want people to live in fear. That's it. I give up. Seems like everyone is hell bent on defending guns. Things that end peoples lives. But sure, I'm glad you live in the UK
I hear you, I too have a lot of problems with the state of gun violence in the USA... yet on the other hand I see the right of Americans to bear arms as a great example of why it is such a liberal country and don't want to have that ruined.
If you want to be a bit more informed on my opinion on this, check out the youtube channel of Ted Ferny:
http://www.youtube.com/user/kiwitedferny
He is a New Zealand Millionaire Gun Collector, also an ex-infantryman. He has a lot of pearls of wisdom on the nature of gun ownership, war, self-defence that I have been greatly inspired by.
I too am glad I live in the UK. But I still like guns, I dislike the idea that as a civilian the law thinks I can never be trusted with them.
okay, im a kiwi and ive never seen a real gun in my life. just why is it that people become so interested in guns? they kill people. and they are nothing but a tool to kill people. becoming interested in one is like becoming interested in an overly complicated hammer.
Well I didn't say NZ was overflowing with guns, Ted Ferny is a VERY rich man and was probably only granted a gun collector's licence on the grounds of his distinguished military service.
In regard to you being so perplexed about people's fascination with guns, answer me honestly here: Do you think
swords are cool?
Like this:
or this:
Oh! But hac no! SWORDS WERE DESIGNED TO KILL!! My god, all those children who play legend of Zelda are just being groomed for fantasies of running amok with swords on a killing spree!
The Chronicles of Narnia should be banned for unacceptable level of SWORD VIOLENCE!
Of course that is a nonsense over-reaction, you're fighting demons, monsters and evil ninjas with the swords in those cases... though their sole purpose is still to kill. But this is all to illustrate my point that many people do over-react and use contradictory logic about guns that they don't apply to other weapons.
Face it, guns ARE cool, just like swords and there is nothing weird about that. Many people seek to make guns seem like a perverted fetish (though to many they are, equal numbers have a fetish for women's shoes!) when in most cases it is a shameful over-reaction.
Guns are also used to kill but in most video games you are killing zombies, nazis, terrorists, gangsters and aliens... all "bad people". (well maybe not aliens, they don't know any better).
I am interest in guns - and I think most other people - to facilitate our very reasonable hero fantasies, whether we are James Bond, Soap McTavish, Nathan Drake or even an anti-hero like Nico Bellic, guns are the tools for the job of saving the world. Do you think James Bond would have stopped Blofeld just "Chudo-Chopping" his way though the dozens of heavily armed henchmen?
But I'm not one of those people that thinks a gun will solve every problem, in many cases a gun is not the answer and to an extend I am proud that our police don't normally carry firearms (not sure about NZ on that, is it changing?). If you actually go to see Ted Ferny's Channel there are many videos that cover guns and knife fighting from a martial and then a civilian self defence perspective.