Gun Enthusiasts Complain About the "Call of Duty Effect"

[Olorune]

same.
i like guns and i like games so when i see one's in games and want to know more

 

[hvitulf]

Can't believe it's still legal in America to carry guns... Fucking wild west. Well yeah the world is kinda retarded and this doesn't suprise me a bit. Hopefully all the gamers WILL buy a gun and then just annihilate each other. Many less humanbeings to worry about

Second amendment...right to bear arms
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_Constitution_of_the_United_States

Erm... okaaay... Wtf is this supposed to mean? This told me nothing mate. I already know about that retarded primitive law and it doesn't justify nor give any answers to why civilians still are allowed to carry weapons. But fuck it. If you wanna go around posting links, one sec.

http://www.the-eggman.com/writings/death_stats.html

Note that you're on the fourth place IN the world. You're among countries like Colombia, Thailand and fucking Slovakia! Some of those countries lack central heating. USA is the most powerful country in the world... There's your links dickhead

So, guns kill less people than renal failure every year in America? Interesting fact.

Oh and were 8th, not fourth. Per capita shows it more comparatively, as some of those countries have a much smaller population, so of course the US would have more deaths total.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir_percap-crime-murders-firearms-per-capita

Alright you want to do maths? Yeah sure, I was never good at maths but even a retard stone can figure this one out.

There are about 300 million people living in the USA. Guns are allowed to be carried by anyone who passes a test.

There are about 120 million people living in Japan. Guns are strictly prohibited, except rifles that can be used for sports and hunting. These licenses are hard to aquire and even if you do the police will check up on you to make sure you're not doing anything fishy.

In USA - 9500 people die every year.
In Japan - 47 people die every year.

To make it even, we multiply Japans figure by 3, roughly 3 times as many people live in USA as in Japan = 141. Japan is equal in terms of tecnology, economy etc as USA. It's NOT a third world country where they don't have water and are starving. The facts speak for themselves. Unless you're the kind that believes in the world being created in 6 days.

Okay dude, this is when you need to step down from that soap box you're standing on, find a mirror, take a good long look at yourself, realize that your a jackass, and smash your face into the mirror. After you do that check your facts closer and find out what all of those deaths are from. Things like diabetes, cancer, vehicular related deaths, and war etc...

 

[KissofKetchup]

Can't say that I'm not guilty of this although I've never actually shot a real firearm in my life (haven't really had the opportunity) I can honestly say that I know more about firearms than the average joe, mainly because I've read books on the subject matter.

 

[mooncalf]

ya it's pretty hilarious how gaming in general drives people to think they're experts about this or that... it's not just limited to guns and CoD, although it's a lot more dangerous with this particular thing.

And games are only continuing the proud tradition of Television, keeping people misinformed.

 

[Treblaine]

Can't believe it's still legal in America to carry guns... Fucking wild west. Well yeah the world is kinda retarded and this doesn't suprise me a bit. Hopefully all the gamers WILL buy a gun and then just annihilate each other. Many less humanbeings to worry about

It's not that simple, in most states you have to jump through a lot of hoops take lots of training, test and psychological examinations before you will be granted a "Concealed Carry Licence" and even then you are extremely restricted in where you can go with said concealed weapon.

It is remarkably easy to get a gun in most US states... but you can't just tuck it in your waistband and go shopping. It's like how it's easy to buy a car, not so easy to get a driving licence.

And plenty of US states don't allow concealed carry at all, such as New York, California, Washington DC even has a complete ban on handguns even in the home.

No, the wild west died a long time ago.

Dude, nice talking. I live in Sweden, about 35 people die here every year as a result of a firearm. In USA, nearly 9500.... Pls, don't try to justify that people were killed because of what exactly? Because some guy who CAN buy guns can be trusted not to buy guns and then SELL them to others less capable of wielding a gun? Yeah dude, I see what you're saying, civilized nation indeed

"about 35 people die here every year as a result of a firearm."

I think you mean to say "every year 35 people are killed WITH firearms as a RESULT of criminality". Guns are not sentient beings, less so than even bacteria, they can't kill people by themselves. And considering the population of USA is 35x as much as Sweden that puts the homicide rate using firearm more like 7x higher. And it is my understanding Sweden is a very peaceful country where gun laws are rather strict.

Plenty of countries have more guns than the USA but lower gun-homicides, the problem with the USA is endemic criminality because the government is too weak to seriously clamp down on it. If the crime of USA suddenly existed in Sweden (or in my own country of the UK) then the government would send troops and specialised police would enact martial law until order is restored. But America is all to hasty about enacting martial law or the government ever actually flexing their muscles, just consider the incompetence with Katrina-New Orleans. Americans are PARANOID about big government, they hate it whenever they interfere in their lives at all even though it may be exactly what they need.

No. Saying it's the Wild West implies it is mainly people who legally own guns and have legitimate income who are casually killing each other over bullshit like spilt drinks.

It's far more connected to the massive drug importation into the USA, BILLIONS of dollars worth used by all levels of society and with that amount of money involved exchanging hands secretly gun murders are a virtually unavoidable element of that.

But there is no denying where the guns come from, mainly "Straw Sales" and to a lesser extent the theft of firearms from the home of gun owners, though the standard way to make a straw sale is for them sell the guns to gangsters and then stage a robbery.

But to your original post of people legally CARRYING guns. That's just not part of the problem.

 

[nolan021]

Second amendment...right to bear arms
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_Constitution_of_the_United_States

Well-regulated militia, bub. Everyone conveniently forgets that bit.

The right of the people to keep and bear Arms- you seem to conveniently forget about this part.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YY5Rj4cQ50&feature=related
Learn to English.

OK, fair, I oversimplified. Certain guns are designed specifically for military use. No civilian should have a reason to own an AK. You're right, there are guns for hunting and even some guns for practical self-defense. However, the process of gun ownership of these different types is about the same in the US. Acquiring a hunting rifle is not necessarily more difficult than acquiring an assault rifle. It's still a matter of going to the mall, not scouring the black market.

But while a handful of the most informed civilian gun enthusiasts may be responsible enough to own military-grade weaponry, people who aren't adequately responsible have access to them too.

I seem to remember the only people not having their houses overran or stores looted during Katrina were those individuals with "assault rifles", or during the Rodney King riots the only people not being dragged out into the streets and beaten to death or having their shops looted were those Korean store owners atop of their businesses with their big scary "assault rifles". Hell, "assault rifles" only amount to less than one percent of gun crime a smaller percentage of that is violent gun crime.

What exactly are you qualify as an assault rifle? Because in America any automatic firearm is heavily restricted, requiring a class 3 weapons license to own. Those require ATF permission, registration, and a couple thousand dollars. They're only given to gun store owners and are obviously very carefully regulated. So no, you can't just go to the mall and buy an AK.

You could buy a semi-auto replica with little to no hassle, but not many people can legally purchase a full auto one.

I don't know who is spreading this nonsense around, you do NOT need any special license to own an automatic weapon. You have to buy them from a Class 3 DEALER. To own a fully automatic weapon is the same process as owning a silencer, SBR, SBS, DD, AOW, SBCR, or any NFA weapon. You fill out a Form 4 (5320.4) submit it to your local CLEO who will do a background check and sign it, pay your $200 tax stamp, then pick up your whatever from the dealer. For automatic firearms this is only good for those registered before 1986 (this is legal in the majority of states). Anything beyond 1986 you can own a dealer sample if you are a Class 3 dealer, Class 2 manufacturer, or a Class 1 importer. Still, automatic weapons aren't that big of a deal: there have only been two crimes committed in the U.S. with a legally owned full automatic weapons and one of those was committed by a police officer.

Erm... okaaay... Wtf is this supposed to mean? This told me nothing mate. I already know about that retarded primitive law and it doesn't justify nor give any answers to why civilians still are allowed to carry weapons. But fuck it. If you wanna go around posting links, one sec.
http://www.the-eggman.com/writings/death_stats.html
http://www.statemaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-death-rate-per-100-000
and my favorite
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-crime-murders-with-firearms
Note that you're on the fourth place IN the world. You're among countries like Colombia, Thailand and fucking Slovakia! Some of those countries lack central heating. USA is the most powerful country in the world... There's your links dickhead

If you check the fine print on those charts you'll see:
NOTE: Firearms Statistics Include Gang Warfare, Self Defense Shootings and Criminals Killed by Police
Of course if you look at places like England and Wales, you have to wonder how they are at the top of the charts for violent crime in Europe and among first world countries. It doesn't really matter what the crime is being committed with there's still a crime being committed.
http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/portal/page/portal/crime/documents/violent_crime.pdf

I wouldn't say that I know for a fact that if america had less guns, they'd have less crime.

You can always look at which states have the least amount of crime, then look at their current gun legislation: which currently points to more gun control more crime.

Alright you want to do maths? Yeah sure, I was never good at maths but even a retard stone can figure this one out.

There are about 300 million people living in the USA. Guns are allowed to be carried by anyone who passes a test.

There are about 120 million people living in Japan. Guns are strictly prohibited, except rifles that can be used for sports and hunting. These licenses are hard to aquire and even if you do the police will check up on you to make sure you're not doing anything fishy.

In USA - 9500 people die every year.
In Japan - 47 people die every year.

To make it even, we multiply Japans figure by 3, roughly 3 times as many people live in USA as in Japan = 141. Japan is equal in terms of tecnology, economy etc as USA. It's NOT a third world country where they don't have water and are starving. The facts speak for themselves. Unless you're the kind that believes in the world being created in 6 days.

Japan's suicides 2009- 32,753
United States' suicides 2009- 33,300

To make it even, we multiply Japans figure by 3, roughly 3 times as many people live in USA as in Japan = 98259. Japan is equal in terms of technology, economy etc as USA. It's NOT a third world country where they don't have water and are starving. The facts speak for themselves. Japan and the United States are terrible countries to compare due to cultural differences, thus a comparison between the two is invalid.

 

[Mercsenary]

Eh... I've played Call of Duty, MoH, AA(America's Army) only one really told me anything about how to shoot a gun... (AA by the way) and the extent of that is that firing at the apex or nadir of your breath. Less sway. Beyond that I know that pointing the end which bullets come out should always be pointed at something you intend to destroy. Anything beyond that I learned when I actually joined the gun club at my school.

And as for banning the legitimate owning of guns: HA. Go ahead, its not like the criminals already following the laws will follow it anyways. Reason why most people buy guns is defense. A criminal is far more likely to not go after you if you make it known you have a weapon. Criminalize guns and only criminals will have guns.

 

[Vek]

I have to admit this is always funny to overhear in outdoor and hunting shops. It's the ones who ask with a straight face if they can see a Five-Seven

I don't know about the shops where you live, but I live near two Cabela's stores that sell the FN Five-Seven, as well as Colt ARs, Bushmasters (including the ACR by special order), and I have even seen, in a special locked case, an F2000. In my state, Cabela's is an FFL dealer.

 

[hvitulf]

Can't believe it's still legal in America to carry guns... Fucking wild west. Well yeah the world is kinda retarded and this doesn't suprise me a bit. Hopefully all the gamers WILL buy a gun and then just annihilate each other. Many less humanbeings to worry about

It's not that simple, in most states you have to jump through a lot of hoops take lots of training, test and psychological examinations before you will be granted a "Concealed Carry Licence" and even then you are extremely restricted in where you can go with said concealed weapon.

It is remarkably easy to get a gun in most US states... but you can't just tuck it in your waistband and go shopping. It's like how it's easy to buy a car, not so easy to get a driving licence.

And plenty of US states don't allow concealed carry at all, such as New York, California, Washington DC even has a complete ban on handguns even in the home.

No, the wild west died a long time ago.

Dude, nice talking. I live in Sweden, about 35 people die here every year as a result of a firearm. In USA, nearly 9500.... Pls, don't try to justify that people were killed because of what exactly? Because some guy who CAN buy guns can be trusted not to buy guns and then SELL them to others less capable of wielding a gun? Yeah dude, I see what you're saying, civilized nation indeed

"about 35 people die here every year as a result of a firearm."

I think you mean to say "every year 35 people are killed WITH firearms as a RESULT of criminality". Guns are not sentient beings, less so than even bacteria, they can't kill people by themselves. And considering the population of USA is 35x as much as Sweden that puts the homicide rate using firearm more like 7x higher. And it is my understanding Sweden is a very peaceful country where gun laws are rather strict.

Plenty of countries have more guns than the USA but lower gun-homicides, the problem with the USA is endemic criminality because the government is too weak to seriously clamp down on it. If the crime of USA suddenly existed in Sweden (or in my own country of the UK) then the government would send troops and specialised police would enact martial law until order is restored. But America is all to hasty about enacting martial law or the government ever actually flexing their muscles, just consider the incompetence with Katrina-New Orleans. Americans are PARANOID about big government, they hate it whenever they interfere in their lives at all even though it may be exactly what they need.

No. Saying it's the Wild West implies it is mainly people who legally own guns and have legitimate income who are casually killing each other over bullshit like spilt drinks.

It's far more connected to the massive drug importation into the USA, BILLIONS of dollars worth used by all levels of society and with that amount of money involved exchanging hands secretly gun murders are a virtually unavoidable element of that.

But there is no denying where the guns come from, mainly "Straw Sales" and to a lesser extent the theft of firearms from the home of gun owners, though the standard way to make a straw sale is for them sell the guns to gangsters and then stage a robbery.

But to your original post of people legally CARRYING guns. That's just not part of the problem.

So you understand me, you're against me? Look, I just don't want people to die. I don't want people to live in fear. That's it. I give up. Seems like everyone is hell bent on defending guns. Things that end peoples lives. But sure, I'm glad you live in the UK

What you don't seem to understand is that guns are simply specialized tools. They are good for hunting, competitions of skill, and killing, just like any other weapon. The human body in and of itself can be used in many ways as a potent weapon. Guns don't cause death, they are only a means to an end, and hopefully a quicker means than what we used to use.

 

[userwhoquitthesite]

removed for aesthetic concerns

Ok. Look. Anyone that CARRIES a gun with intent to kill another person will not be stopped by saying he isn't allowed to carry a gun. He isn't allowed to kill people either, and he's doing that readily enough. If he can't get his HANDS on a gun, he WILL use something else. Like a knife, or a blunt instrument. And, I see in you have another post where you talk about the low rate of gun-related death in Japan. There's a reason for that. America was won with guns, built on guns, and defended by guns. Japan, on the other hand, is a country that AVOIDED the use of guns for centuries, finally picked them up, attacked America with them, and was DESTROYED. When America rebuilt Japan, we didn't let them HAVE guns. So guns are not part of their culture.

At any rate, I don't know why I bother to debate this point with you, as you are clearly a madman with no ability to realize that you are wrong, ever.

 

[Bob the Average]

i read the firearm blog regularly (even before MW2) and when i read the post i got the impression he was referring to an increase in traffic related to posting about something that happens to be featured in a popular video game.

 

[gamefreakbsp]

Ugh, I hate those people. You see a lot of them around the Escapist, unfortunately. People who like to think they're badass because they know what a bunch of guns look like.

Congratulations, you can identify a P90. That is the extent of your knowledge.

I have about 5 friends who now see MP5's everywhere they go and think they are experts on the subject of firearms.

 

[hvitulf]

removed for aesthetic concerns

Ok. Look. Anyone that CARRIES a gun with intent to kill another person will not be stopped by saying he isn't allowed to carry a gun. He isn't allowed to kill people either, and he's doing that readily enough. If he can't get his HANDS on a gun, he WILL use something else. Like a knife, or a blunt instrument. And, I see in you have another post where you talk about the low rate of gun-related death in Japan. There's a reason for that. America was won with guns, built on guns, and defended by guns. Japan, on the other hand, is a country that AVOIDED the use of guns for centuries, finally picked them up, attacked America with them, and was DESTROYED. When America rebuilt Japan, we didn't let them HAVE guns. So guns are not part of their culture.

At any rate, I don't know why I bother to debate this point with you, as you are clearly a madman with no ability to realize that you are wrong, ever.

I just have to say, thank you.

 

[tsb247]

I have a personal story along these same lines I would like to share. This happened quite a while ago, so I don't have all of the details spot on, but this is the general idea.

I was at the range one day, squeezing off a few rounds with my AR15. As I laid the rifle down (for some reason. I don't remember why), a young man approached me. He must have been between somewhere between 12 and 15 years old (just a guess... I have no idea). He looked over my rifle from muzzle to butt, and gave me a rather puzzled look. I looked up and asked him,

"Is there something I can help you with? Would you like to shoot it or something?"

His reply was along the lines of,

"Your gun is made funny."

Upon hearing this, I shot him a puzzled look and asked,

"How so? It's just like any other M16 variant."

His response was something like,

"You ejector hole (commonly known as the breech) is on the wrong side. It should be on the left side of the gun."

I then corrected him and told him that all M16s/AR15s/AR(x)s and any and all designs based on the M16 have the breech on the right side unless they are custom ordered or tailored specifically to a left-handed marksman.

His rebuttal was,

"That's how the gun is in Counter Strike, and that game is like real-life!"

It was at that point that I withdrew my offer to allow him to fire my rifle, packed up, and left the range. I had a feeling that it was about to become cloudy with a chance of stupid, and I didn't want to get caught in the shitstorm.

 

[Spike815]

Can't believe it's still legal in America to carry guns... Fucking wild west. Well yeah the world is kinda retarded and this doesn't suprise me a bit. Hopefully all the gamers WILL buy a gun and then just annihilate each other. Many less humanbeings to worry about

Second amendment...right to bear arms
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_Constitution_of_the_United_States

Erm... okaaay... Wtf is this supposed to mean? This told me nothing mate. I already know about that retarded primitive law and it doesn't justify nor give any answers to why civilians still are allowed to carry weapons. But fuck it. If you wanna go around posting links, one sec.

http://www.the-eggman.com/writings/death_stats.html

Note that you're on the fourth place IN the world. You're among countries like Colombia, Thailand and fucking Slovakia! Some of those countries lack central heating. USA is the most powerful country in the world... There's your links dickhead

So, guns kill less people than renal failure every year in America? Interesting fact.

Oh and were 8th, not fourth. Per capita shows it more comparatively, as some of those countries have a much smaller population, so of course the US would have more deaths total.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir_percap-crime-murders-firearms-per-capita

Alright you want to do maths? Yeah sure, I was never good at maths but even a retard stone can figure this one out.

There are about 300 million people living in the USA. Guns are allowed to be carried by anyone who passes a test.

There are about 120 million people living in Japan. Guns are strictly prohibited, except rifles that can be used for sports and hunting. These licenses are hard to aquire and even if you do the police will check up on you to make sure you're not doing anything fishy.

In USA - 9500 people die every year.
In Japan - 47 people die every year.

To make it even, we multiply Japans figure by 3, roughly 3 times as many people live in USA as in Japan = 141. Japan is equal in terms of tecnology, economy etc as USA. It's NOT a third world country where they don't have water and are starving. The facts speak for themselves. Unless you're the kind that believes in the world being created in 6 days.

No I'm actually agnostic, thanks for asking.

In rebuttal I'd like to point out Switzerland, #19 down on your list, right by Canada and Germany (both very gun regulated). Why Switzerland, you ask? Because almost every man between the ages of 20 and 34 is required BY LAW to own an assault rifle. They have a conscription form of military service (kinda funny because they're so neutral). They have an estimated 3 million guns, or about one for every 3 people. Switzerland is equal in terms of technology, economy etc as Japan. It's NOT a third world country where they don't have water and are starving. The facts speak for themselves.

 

[tsb247]

removed for aesthetic concerns

Ok. Look. Anyone that CARRIES a gun with intent to kill another person will not be stopped by saying he isn't allowed to carry a gun. He isn't allowed to kill people either, and he's doing that readily enough. If he can't get his HANDS on a gun, he WILL use something else. Like a knife, or a blunt instrument. And, I see in you have another post where you talk about the low rate of gun-related death in Japan. There's a reason for that. America was won with guns, built on guns, and defended by guns. Japan, on the other hand, is a country that AVOIDED the use of guns for centuries, finally picked them up, attacked America with them, and was DESTROYED. When America rebuilt Japan, we didn't let them HAVE guns. So guns are not part of their culture.

At any rate, I don't know why I bother to debate this point with you, as you are clearly a madman with no ability to realize that you are wrong, ever.

You sir, make a brilliant point!

 

[userwhoquitthesite]

I just have to say, thank you.

For my aesthetic concerns?

 

[hvitulf]

I just have to say, thank you.

For my aesthetic concerns?

lol. Tasteful indeed, but mostly for being a rational human being. Such beings seem to be rare specimens on the internet.