Gun Enthusiasts Complain About the "Call of Duty Effect"

[AndyFromMonday]

I want to see an idiot walk into a knife shop and ask for an energy sword.

"Lightsaber I require, you to sell me."
"What?"
"Goddamn lightsaber, I require!"

 

[Blogg10]

I live in England, where the laws are a hell of a lot more stringent. You require fifty different passes and permits just to own a rifle, and a LOT more to shoot it. And more than that to shoot something living (I.E. a deer) unless you live in the hills of the Lake District with your cousin Virgil . But I got into guns, admittedly, after playing games like CoD. I mean, the real world is nothing like Call of Duty. You don't take an ACR with red tiger camo and a heartbeat sensor hunting. Assault weapons are pretty much automatically illegal in Britain. I'm not 100% on this, but I think it's also illegal to own handguns that aren't replicas or deactivated ones, because handguns have no practical purpose outside killing people. Whereas you use shotguns for hunting birds, and rifles on game. But yeah, a few years ago I got into hunting with my uncle, and now I can hit a deer in the heart from 50 paces

 

[Valiance]

Yeah, I hate people I know who seriously call a certain weapon the "Deagle" instead of its proper name...

 

[Deleted]

Shit like this gets my blood boiling, it isn't an elitist thing, its someone pissing all over your hobbies and intrests.

Its the same thing with guitar hero too.

 

[LWS666]

i wouldn't bother doing this. i'd wikipedia them if i want to know, but seing as how guns can cost $2000, unless i win the lottery i won't buy one.

 

[Deleted]

Lets all convince these idiots that rocket jumping is entirely possible, and is a fast way to get on top of a house.

 

[BlueAnubis]

It's sad but true. My friend always goes on and on about all the different guns on MW2 (especially the FAMAS) and how he's a 'beast shot' with all of them and could hit any target with any gun in real life. you have no idea how much I fight the urge to slap him.

 

[duckfi8]

"so I was surprised when he asked, 'Can you buy an ACR in there?'"
If someone said that when they were in a car with me, I would kick them out of my moving car.

Why, excactly? What is wrong with not knowing anything about guns, but being interested in seeing some in real life? I don't know the first thing about fighter jets - doesn't mean I don't think it'd be fun to sit in the same plane I had flown in HAWX. How am I supposed to know that the ACR just so happens not to be out until later this year? I see alot of people in this thread getting waaaay to emotional/ragey/whatever over this pretty small and innocent question.

I am in no way a gunenthusiast. I know only what I have seen in games, from 5 years of rifle shooting as a kid and from random wiki articles. So very, very little, actually. That doesn't mean I don't think weapons are somewhat interesting. I would like to see and hold a RL ACR. If I was going into a weapon shop with a friend, I might have asked the same question. It's not really dumb IMO. It's uninformed, yes, but you wouldn't have me laughing at you with scorn if I took you into a Games Workshop store, and you asked if they sold Chaos Dwarves.

Because he said that the guy said he knew a lot about guns, you cant just walk into any old gun store and be like hey I'd like to buy a M-249. And r u implying I don't know anything about games, dear sir?

 

[pyrokitsune777]

I wouldn't go so far as to say Call of Duty makes anyone an expert on firearms. But give the fail-tards who assume that the only guns in existence are AKs, glocks, and what ever else they see in a movie or standard "realistic" shooter(save for CoD 4 and 6). Personally i see this as bridging the gap and pouring at least some knowledge into the useless minds of "gun expert gamers" and enticing those who may have an interest in firearms to eventually become a gun enthusiast or the like.

 

[Voodoomancer]

Reward for most epic first-time post goes to...

Spoiler: nolan021

Second amendment...right to bear arms
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_Constitution_of_the_United_States

Well-regulated militia, bub. Everyone conveniently forgets that bit.

The right of the people to keep and bear Arms- you seem to conveniently forget about this part.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YY5Rj4cQ50&feature=related
Learn to English.

OK, fair, I oversimplified. Certain guns are designed specifically for military use. No civilian should have a reason to own an AK. You're right, there are guns for hunting and even some guns for practical self-defense. However, the process of gun ownership of these different types is about the same in the US. Acquiring a hunting rifle is not necessarily more difficult than acquiring an assault rifle. It's still a matter of going to the mall, not scouring the black market.

But while a handful of the most informed civilian gun enthusiasts may be responsible enough to own military-grade weaponry, people who aren't adequately responsible have access to them too.

I seem to remember the only people not having their houses overran or stores looted during Katrina were those individuals with "assault rifles", or during the Rodney King riots the only people not being dragged out into the streets and beaten to death or having their shops looted were those Korean store owners atop of their businesses with their big scary "assault rifles". Hell, "assault rifles" only amount to less than one percent of gun crime a smaller percentage of that is violent gun crime.

What exactly are you qualify as an assault rifle? Because in America any automatic firearm is heavily restricted, requiring a class 3 weapons license to own. Those require ATF permission, registration, and a couple thousand dollars. They're only given to gun store owners and are obviously very carefully regulated. So no, you can't just go to the mall and buy an AK.

You could buy a semi-auto replica with little to no hassle, but not many people can legally purchase a full auto one.

I don't know who is spreading this nonsense around, you do NOT need any special license to own an automatic weapon. You have to buy them from a Class 3 DEALER. To own a fully automatic weapon is the same process as owning a silencer, SBR, SBS, DD, AOW, SBCR, or any NFA weapon. You fill out a Form 4 (5320.4) submit it to your local CLEO who will do a background check and sign it, pay your $200 tax stamp, then pick up your whatever from the dealer. For automatic firearms this is only good for those registered before 1986 (this is legal in the majority of states). Anything beyond 1986 you can own a dealer sample if you are a Class 3 dealer, Class 2 manufacturer, or a Class 1 importer. Still, automatic weapons aren't that big of a deal: there have only been two crimes committed in the U.S. with a legally owned full automatic weapons and one of those was committed by a police officer.

Erm... okaaay... Wtf is this supposed to mean? This told me nothing mate. I already know about that retarded primitive law and it doesn't justify nor give any answers to why civilians still are allowed to carry weapons. But fuck it. If you wanna go around posting links, one sec.
http://www.the-eggman.com/writings/death_stats.html
http://www.statemaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-death-rate-per-100-000
and my favorite
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-crime-murders-with-firearms
Note that you're on the fourth place IN the world. You're among countries like Colombia, Thailand and fucking Slovakia! Some of those countries lack central heating. USA is the most powerful country in the world... There's your links dickhead

If you check the fine print on those charts you'll see:
NOTE: Firearms Statistics Include Gang Warfare, Self Defense Shootings and Criminals Killed by Police
Of course if you look at places like England and Wales, you have to wonder how they are at the top of the charts for violent crime in Europe and among first world countries. It doesn't really matter what the crime is being committed with there's still a crime being committed.
http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/portal/page/portal/crime/documents/violent_crime.pdf

I wouldn't say that I know for a fact that if america had less guns, they'd have less crime.

You can always look at which states have the least amount of crime, then look at their current gun legislation: which currently points to more gun control more crime.

Alright you want to do maths? Yeah sure, I was never good at maths but even a retard stone can figure this one out.

There are about 300 million people living in the USA. Guns are allowed to be carried by anyone who passes a test.

There are about 120 million people living in Japan. Guns are strictly prohibited, except rifles that can be used for sports and hunting. These licenses are hard to aquire and even if you do the police will check up on you to make sure you're not doing anything fishy.

In USA - 9500 people die every year.
In Japan - 47 people die every year.

To make it even, we multiply Japans figure by 3, roughly 3 times as many people live in USA as in Japan = 141. Japan is equal in terms of tecnology, economy etc as USA. It's NOT a third world country where they don't have water and are starving. The facts speak for themselves. Unless you're the kind that believes in the world being created in 6 days.

Japan's suicides 2009- 32,753
United States' suicides 2009- 33,300

To make it even, we multiply Japans figure by 3, roughly 3 times as many people live in USA as in Japan = 98259. Japan is equal in terms of technology, economy etc as USA. It's NOT a third world country where they don't have water and are starving. The facts speak for themselves. Japan and the United States are terrible countries to compare due to cultural differences, thus a comparison between the two is invalid.

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[Voodoomancer]

Knowing anything about guns and knowing how to use them are very different things. You could learn a lot from a game about so-and-so types/brands/models of guns, but you're definitely not gonna learn how to handle them by flinging a mouse about a desk...

And on that quoted story: That one rotten apple that spoils the whole basket, or something...

 

[Therumancer]

this is just fucking terrifying, a bunch of assholes who think they know about guns playing games and they want to try em out in real life. you know that whole, we gamers aren't violent people thing? and games don't train you to become a mass killer? not doing a good job at reinforcing these things.

the only saving grace is that these kids are just idiots who truly have no idea how to handle a weapon, and that games are not yet "realistic" enough to show the actual workings of such a gun

Actually it's nothing new to be entirely honest, you saw the same thing with GI Joe action figures and people complained about them a few times. While things got increasingly "sci-fi" they tried to make a lot of the GI Joe characters *fairly* authentic seeming at one time, and each character typically had a differant gun including some which were fairly obscure. This is to say nothing of the original GI Joe "fighting soldier from head to toe" dolls that came before the action figures and comic books and such.

Albeit back in the day you had people claiming GI Joe encouraged violence and pro-gun sentiments (which are a good thing IMO), where the firearms lobbies were at the same time upset that at least in the Cartoon nobody actually got killed which they felt lead to ignorance and a disrespect both for firearms and warfare.

Granted video game "protests" are on a larger scale due to the current censorship crusades but other than scale it's absolutly nothing new.

 

[reg42]

This is pretty funny, but it makes me sad at the same time.

 

[slopeslider]

I know alot about guns. I've never shot one. I've never SEEN a real gun.
But I airsoft alot and if you gave me a USP I wouldn't have the ability to handle the recoil as effectively as an experienced user but I'd hit the target since I'm always practicing 'rapid tatget aquisition' on my deck.
I got my love of guns form videogames though.

Also, Great Britain has lame laws. Why don't they just ban any and all forms of violence next, that will solve ALL the problems! 'Cause criminals love obeying laws. Like the 'no murder' or 'no robbery' ones...

Oh wait....

 

[Deofuta]

Guns are not toys. There needs to be serious gun law changes in the US. Here in Australia if you don't have a legitimate reason for owning a gun, you simply won't get a licence to own one. Simple as that. I know I can walk down the street and not get shot at by some lunatic. Anyway what the hell do these people need an assault rifle for anyway? They do have limited domestic applications after all.

Also I wonder how many of those idiots signed up to the military, because of a game.

Believe it or not, I can walk down my street at night and not worrying about getting mowed down either

Also, they have plenty of domestic application!

Think, What better way to get the kids out of bed?
To get your wife back in the kitchen?
To ward off rabid WoW fanboys from my beloved STO?

Also, I was surprised at the guns put into MW2. I had a special interest in the FAMAS F1, one of the best things to come out of France, (Go French Foreign Legion!)And the Tavor T.A.R 2 (Them Israelis can be real badass sometimes!)

Bullpup configuration guns have always been an interest in mine (purely fan-esque however, I have not had a chance to shoot one (for obvious reasons))

 

[DoctorObviously]

this is just fucking terrifying, a bunch of assholes who think they know about guns playing games and they want to try em out in real life. you know that whole, we gamers aren't violent people thing? and games don't train you to become a mass killer? not doing a good job at reinforcing these things.

the only saving grace is that these kids are just idiots who truly have no idea how to handle a weapon, and that games are not yet "realistic" enough to show the actual workings of such a gun

This.

 

[TZer0]

Well the same people think Desert Eagles are "good weapons".

I laugh.

Isn't that the weapon which armed forces use... akimbo? You know.. for additional accuracy with weapons which are incredibly impractical to begin with?

Bleh. There's a reason they don't assign that weapon weapons like that anywhere. Pistols = hard to use. It doesn't get easier with more force.

 

[Deofuta]

I wish in MW2 they allowed you to actually use a m4a1 with the special operations peculiar modifications! A SOPMOD M4 would rock! ('scpecially in HC S&D)

(SOPMOD Block 1, of course)

 

[Bob_F_It]

Golden test: tell me what to do in a misfire, and I'll pass you as competent.

There's a rule called the 30 second rule, basically the chambered round "MAY" go off within that period of time, the general rule of thumb is to keep the weapon aimed down rage as if you were taking the shot, after the 30 or so seconds has elapsed, carefully extract the chambered round while keeping your face away from the bolt and ensuring no one is stood behind you, then carefully dispose of the round safely, i.e ammo lock box.

I've been shooting live ammunition from various calibres of rifles and shotguns from 12 bore to .22 rimfire to 5.56 nato semi and full auto since I was 13, air rifles before that, I'm nearly 26

AL

Ah, you might be my range safety officer, since you're the only one here to realise that the round could still fire. You are now awarded with the virtual cookie.