Gun Enthusiasts Complain About the "Call of Duty Effect"
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If anyone thinks that the gun mechanics or action in COD resembles ANYTHING in real life - seriously, you must have had a lobotomy.
Machine-pistols are almost never used and are rarely any good.
Bullets do not travel in perfectly straight lines
Getting shot even once is usually enough to incapacitate you or downright kill you.
RPGs are not wildly inaccurate missiles that fly up and down. In fact, RPGs are quite accurate - if not very effective these days against modern vehicles.
Almost no soldier in their right mind would use a shotgun over a rifle, except for opening doors or in VERY confined spaces, and even then it's not a good idea.
Sniper rifles are extremely difficult to use effectively (at least at long range), and to be a good sniper, you need YEARS of training.
Grenades are MUCH more dangerous in real life than depicted in COD. There isn't some little boundary that makes you safe if you're outside it. Real grenades spray shrapnel and can kill someone 15 feet away.
But COD is a VIDEO GAME. Not a simulator. If COD behaved like reality, then it would not be fun for most of us. There is nothing wrong with enjoying COD.
Just don't think it even remotely resembles reality. It doesn't.
Machine-pistols are almost never used and are rarely any good.
Bullets do not travel in perfectly straight lines
Getting shot even once is usually enough to incapacitate you or downright kill you.
RPGs are not wildly inaccurate missiles that fly up and down. In fact, RPGs are quite accurate - if not very effective these days against modern vehicles.
Almost no soldier in their right mind would use a shotgun over a rifle, except for opening doors or in VERY confined spaces, and even then it's not a good idea.
Sniper rifles are extremely difficult to use effectively (at least at long range), and to be a good sniper, you need YEARS of training.
Grenades are MUCH more dangerous in real life than depicted in COD. There isn't some little boundary that makes you safe if you're outside it. Real grenades spray shrapnel and can kill someone 15 feet away.
But COD is a VIDEO GAME. Not a simulator. If COD behaved like reality, then it would not be fun for most of us. There is nothing wrong with enjoying COD.
Just don't think it even remotely resembles reality. It doesn't.
I'm far from a gun expert, in fact I barely know anything about guns. But I do know well enough that if some dumbass tries to "No Scope" with a Barret rifle, you can say good bye to whatever region that big son-of-a-***** decides to hit, and it'll probably go flying out of your hands.
I've fired an AT4 before[Advanced infantry training], and let me tell you. If you are not in a VERY stable position before firing and are not perfectly ready and bracing for it, that thing will knock you flat on your ass so hard you won't be able to sit down for a good day or two.
Like Korolev said, video games are a source of entertainment, and most of the time realism stands in the way of entertainment. Just keep in mind that Call of Duty is about as far from reality as possible.
I've fired an AT4 before[Advanced infantry training], and let me tell you. If you are not in a VERY stable position before firing and are not perfectly ready and bracing for it, that thing will knock you flat on your ass so hard you won't be able to sit down for a good day or two.
Like Korolev said, video games are a source of entertainment, and most of the time realism stands in the way of entertainment. Just keep in mind that Call of Duty is about as far from reality as possible.
I saw your gun argument, I can see why you would dilike firamrs. (I personally only think law informent and the military should be able to own them) Sadly this is were the problem lies. I live in Canada and for some nuts reason we have a very high amount of gun crime. Why? Well criminals are easily able to get guns on the black market. (Hell these guys at my high school were selling hand guns) In the parts of the stats were guns are leagal, crime is actually lower (Home break ins specifically) because crooks don't know which home has nothing but kitchen knives or afully loaded shotgun. Really when it comes down to it without guns you would just get criminals stabing each other. (Look at Japan, guns are highly illegal, so all gang crimes are done with daggers and blades)Foggy_Fishburne said:
The thing with buying guns is if you were to buy a gun for a civilian, hand guns or shotguns should be the limit. Why doesa civilian need a semi auto military grade asault rifle? (Only logical reason is preparing for the zombie apocolypse) And yes there are states were military grade weapons are easily bought at GUN SHOWS WERE YOU JUST NEED TO BE 18. While other states you need to be checked by the police and have a good record to even hold a gun. (What the states really need is universal gun laws, and not fifty different ones for every state)
hah. don't worry about gang fights in the future, worry about noob shootouts- with even more epic bullet spam!arc1991 said:
Impossible to be accurate at 30 yards with a scoped rifle - lolwut? Don't you have the strength to hold it up or something?RabidusUnus said:
I found automatic accurate enough to be useful at <15yd, and that was with a larger caliber. So I guess I'm a moron. What have you actually tested on auto?
Sad. So goddamn sad. of course, this is only a potentially major problem in America where they have this absurd gun culture.
Well good look to the kid wanting to "Blow the head off of some noobz like in Halo" with a sniper rifle. He would probably try shooting like you do in video games and forget about wind, rise, distance, gravity or even take the Coriolis effect into account, so he'll just totally miss the target.
Do you mean misfire, hang fire or feed jam? I agree that most people don't even know what those terms mean, and if you ask them to P.R.O.V.E. a weapon is safe, they'd probably look down the barrel.Bob_F_It said:
Coming from a military background I have to admit I get both annoyed and amused at the "experts" who think that because they can slaughter endless digital bad guys, that somehow makes them a firearms expert.
I can only hope that responsible gun shop owners do the right thing and point these idiots to the door, rather than putting a lethal weapon in the hands of someone barely able to dress themselves let alone safely handle firearms. But lets face it, any idiot can go out on the streets and buy a gun in the states, so it doesn't really make much difference anyway.
And in answer to your question, you always assume that any "misfire" is a hang fire. Point your weapon in the safest possible direction & count to ten. If it doesn't go bang, eject the dead round and hope the next one works. You don't just toss your fucking weapon away like they do in the movies.
Oh and if you've been shot, just run for cover until the blood is out of your eyes & you'll miraculously heal despite having roughly 1 1/2 pounds of flesh and muscle blown off of your body. You won't go into shock, you'll be able to run just as fast as normal and blood loss? What blood loss? Just like Call of Duty Maaan...
Besides, most kids that even got a chance to fire a real assault rifle would probably do what this kid did:
Well yeah man, being a sniper is EASY. All you have to do is 'zoom your scope' in on the bad guy, put them DEAD CENTER in your crosshairs and pull the trigger. Couldn't get much easier than that... Except that everything I just said is video game bullshit.DC1 said:
Too bad I didn't live in your town, I'd arrange to introduce your friends to a real sniper that I know who has killed more people than he will ever talk about. He'd give them a smack in the head with the reality stick right quick. After 5 minutes with this guy, the last thing in the universe they would ever want to be is a sniper. And if they still did, they're either a liar or a sociopath.
If I had to take my best guess as to the main problem with banning guns in America (note the capitalization), I'd say it's that we've had them since our founding as a nation. Like many nations we started out needing weaponry to hunt, defend ourselves, and eventually have a revolution with, and we used the best weapons available to us at the time, which were guns. So firearms became a universal fact of life in America, and there are so many of them in circulation now that even if you were able to convince most of the population they needed to be banned, you'd still end up with a massive underground supply of them in the hands of career criminals and/or people who are just crazy. Since most of Europe (and Japan) was well established and set in its ways with regards to the social order before firearms became practical, civilians there never really needed them, so the problem of taking them away from people never arose.Longshot said:
That said, the idea that "more guns = more gun crime" shows an appalling lack of insight, not to mention basic research. A quick look at gun law in Switzerland [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland#Gun_crime] should demonstrate my point. To summarize, every man in the country is given an assault rifle when he turns twenty. He is also taught how to use that weapon, and given a healthy respect for it. Do the Swiss have a lot of gun crime? No they don't. There's hardly any in fact. If I had to guess why, it'd be a toss up between the discipline and respect instilled in them as part of their training, and the knowledge that anyone they'd feel like threatening with their gun has one too.
I'd like to see my country whipped into shape like that to be honest. I think it would be good for us to have some respect and discipline drilled into our heads. Probably a better solution than a ban, at any rate.
All that aside, I don't have a gun. I don't really need one; I don't hunt, and about 80% of gunfights between civilians happen at a distance of seven feet or closer between the people involved, which is nothing for a martial artist of any skill. An average man with a knife can cover twenty-one feet of distance in the time it takes an average police officer to draw a gun aim for center of mass, and fire and seven feet can be crossed even if the gun is drawn, assuming you have some idea of what you're doing (if you don't, don't try it, as it isn't worth risking it unless you figure that the attacker's going to kill you regards of what you do. I wouldn't risk it for my wallet, as it's a lot easier to replace than my vital organs are). Basically, unless you're a trained gunfighter with the advantage of range, you're better off with a knife. I carry a 3.75 inch folding knife, which has the advantage of being able to open boxes and other tough packages, or whittle a stick if I am especially bored, none of which can be done with a firearm.
If I were buying a gun, it'd be an AK-47 though. Solely for the fact that it can probably take more abuse before it stops working than I can.
If a comment like that doesn't make your blood turn cold, you need help. I doubt the police would have done much, but that would definitely warrant kicking the dumbass out, 86'ing him, and calling other firearm merchants to keep an eye out for him. Having video surveillance that also takes down audio would be a big help as well.A Pious Cultist said:
Want a bigger laugh? Let them shoot one(at a range), without giving them forewarning on how it handles. Odds are good the twit will try to fire it with one hand. Make sure you record it for YouTube, standing a good bit away of course.LordCuthberton said:
Chipperz said:
Keeping the barrel aimed down the range, you can set the safety but otherwise put the firearm down. Do NOT eject the shell, Do NOT unload the clip or eject it. Misfire means one of two things: Either the firing pin did not strike with enough force, or the primer is slow burning, which can rapidly turn into an explosion, firing the bullet. If you eject the round, you just created a random event on where the bullet goes if it actually fires. Best time to wait to see if it is a slow burn is about 5 minutes, but if you have the smallest niggling of a doubt, just call up the range manager. Hopefully they are a card carrying member of the NRA, certified to manage a firearm range.DannyBoy451 said:
I could tell when the demonstrator fired the three rounds that alone unsettled that poor kid. Thank you for sharing that, I hope a lot going through this thread viewed that. Firearms, automobiles, among many things, require respect, and will quickly teach you respect if you lack it. I just pray that many learn the respect without anyone else getting hurt or killed in the process.Undercover said:
I fear a gun in the hands of a retarded gamer a lot less than I fear one in the hands of a gang member...S_K said:
Number of people who I understand are killed by crazy gamers with gun fetishes? 0
Number of people killed by gang violence worldwide per year: 1.6 million ish...
Retarded gamers walk into a gun shop.. Turned away by the owner. we all LOL.
Gang members steal a gun, can't shoot, empty clips into the wrong house on a drive by.. kills 4 year old girl...
You should just all be glad that these nubs still have the moral values to consider legally purchasing a gun. Once they move to gang members... Think Ethiopia, Sarajevo, Chad, or the Congo.. Where literally hundreds of people are killed daily.
As a side note, I have fired hundreds of rounds, including probably 50% reloads and I have never seen a jam or misfire.. probably if I put my gun into the dirt or something it might happen, but I have never seen one.
I don't know how much clearer I could have been. You claim both games require zero skill. I asked if you'd played either of them. Maybe I should print the question in attention-grabbing colors, too.CORRODED SIN said:
And yes. I don't know how you expected *not* to be called a troll when you've gone on a website predominantly composed of gamers and declared that two of the most popular games of all time require zero skill to be good at.
