This is a huge dick move on the part of the hackers. Putting innocent people in debt and invading their privacy is going way too far.
Hackers Offer PSN Credit Cards For Sale
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CVV's are not hard to find.Tohuvabohu said:
There are key generators out there that could find one in under a minute.
Its best you cancel your accounts.
Because the whole time the PS3 was out, Sony were waiting for the system to be hacked?Outcast107 said:
Its Sonys fault they got hacked?
Your point is flawed, yes they lied to the consumers, yes their security wasn't as tight as it should be.
The only way they can make defence against a hack as big as this, is to be hacked in the first place.
In japan the nuclear reactor was made to withstand earthquakes as big as previous ones, not an earthquake the size as what recently happened.
Its a learning process they get knocked down they get back up again but stronger.
If Sony pull through this they will upgrade and increase there security.
CVVs are actually a fairly effective anti-fraud measure. Yes, with three or four digit random numbers it would not take excessively long to test enough permutations to brute force smash your way through that particular security feature.Callum Lisson said:
Except, of course, for the fact that any attempt to do so would almost invariably trigger a deactivation of the card in question, as someone goes through more than three attempts to run a given card with variations on possible CVV numbers.
Ultimately, the reason that the CVV isn't going to save your ass is not because it's difficult to get around; in one way it's not, and in another way it is. The reason it's not going to matter is because the criminal in question is simply going to find a way to use your card that does not require either of the CVV codes on it. Which is why we're probably going to have to impose additional regulations at some point that force all merchants to require the CVV2 codes when conducting a "card not present" transaction.
This is why my card is linked to a secondary checking account away from the main savings so at the time they would have a cool 28$ available unless I add more money to it. Go go stupidity barriers for if I should lose my debit card.
However I would enjoy seeing a public torture of the people who did this (I'll lead it if you want ^^) then maybe if we feel they suffered enough an execution to follow (I will also help with that)
However I would enjoy seeing a public torture of the people who did this (I'll lead it if you want ^^) then maybe if we feel they suffered enough an execution to follow (I will also help with that)
I hope the guy responsible for this is kidnapped and tortured Hostel style. I don't give a shit if he's going to try to take my money, let him burn.
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Did you just tell me to stop whining about having my money stolen? I agree that we shouldn't be too hard on Sony for this (Though we definitely shouldn't just not hold them accountable) but how fucking dare you say that I'm WHINING when I get mad about my fucking cash being at risk because a company fucked up bad.Chatney said:
And you call us ungrateful? Are you serious? I don't think getting mad at a company for being incompetent enough to let somebody commit mass identity theft is being ungrateful. "Hey, I may have had my money and possibly personal safety put at risk, but at least Sony isn't physically coming to my house and sticking a vacuum cleaner up my ass. Stop whining, you guys! It's so selfish!"
Ridiculous.
Actually no, I would have no ill will towards MS if this were to happen to them. Honestly, whats to stop the hackers from turning around and doing this to Microsoft? Bigger user base, much larger amount of people with credit information because of Live Gold accounts.Outcast107 said:
If anything, Xbox360 is the next target. This isn't just a Sony problem, this is a industry wide problem! Nothing is 100% hack proof, and hackers, they know how to cover their tracks. Chances are these guys won't be caught.
Special treatment? Are you fucking kidding me? The PS3 and Sony have been under scrutiny ever since it was released, just take a good hard look at the history of Sony based news articles even from this site! The Escapist isn't that bad, but they take a lot of shots at Sony just for being Sony, even if it's not gaming related:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.121568-New-Sony-Netbook-Costs-a-Kings-Ransom?page=1
This for example.
Back on topic, sorry, ADD gets the best of me at times. He/she's right, people should stop pointing the finger and laughing at Sony because of this very unfortunate set of circumstances. It could've happened to Microsoft too, and it still might.
In my opinion; I call BS. Hackers are smarter than this, you don't go on a forum and advertise to sell stolen credit card information. This is a great way to get yourself caught, and nyone willing to participate will get caught too. These are just stupid con artists.
I think it's odd that people are still defending Sony I mean I know you love them and I love Sony too but really they have fucked up.
I don't personally think this will kill Sony, other companies have been hacked and they have managed to survive but it's going to be a shit year for them and the xbox sales will go up and ps3 sales will go down. It's a shame but really the ps3 has had so many problems it's entire life, there's the security, the LG copyright claims, the rumble controller, the drawn out release date due to a lack of blue led lights and some terrible ports (from what I've hard due to the complex language the ps3 plays games with). This along with the psp sales are going to make sony seriously rethink their next consoles.
Also for the optimists saying they can't get anything, if they have your email address and password, a lot of people will have the same password for everything including ebay paypal and amazon. Which store all account information and can easily change the sender address.
I don't personally think this will kill Sony, other companies have been hacked and they have managed to survive but it's going to be a shit year for them and the xbox sales will go up and ps3 sales will go down. It's a shame but really the ps3 has had so many problems it's entire life, there's the security, the LG copyright claims, the rumble controller, the drawn out release date due to a lack of blue led lights and some terrible ports (from what I've hard due to the complex language the ps3 plays games with). This along with the psp sales are going to make sony seriously rethink their next consoles.
Also for the optimists saying they can't get anything, if they have your email address and password, a lot of people will have the same password for everything including ebay paypal and amazon. Which store all account information and can easily change the sender address.
From Sony Q&A
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/04/27/qa-1-for-playstation-network-and-qriocity-services/
Q: Was my credit card data taken?
A: While all credit card information stored in our systems is encrypted and there is no evidence at this time that credit card data was taken, we cannot rule out the possibility. If you have provided your credit card data through PlayStation Network or Qriocity, out of an abundance of caution we are advising you that your credit card number (excluding security code) and expiration date may have been obtained.While we do ask for CSC codes, we do not store them in our database.
its getting annoying how everyone's gone all hate (well at lest that's all I'm seeing) on Sony when it could as easily be another company
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/04/27/qa-1-for-playstation-network-and-qriocity-services/
Q: Was my credit card data taken?
A: While all credit card information stored in our systems is encrypted and there is no evidence at this time that credit card data was taken, we cannot rule out the possibility. If you have provided your credit card data through PlayStation Network or Qriocity, out of an abundance of caution we are advising you that your credit card number (excluding security code) and expiration date may have been obtained.While we do ask for CSC codes, we do not store them in our database.
its getting annoying how everyone's gone all hate (well at lest that's all I'm seeing) on Sony when it could as easily be another company
Sony was the watchdog that didn't do its job here, they damned well do deserve to be torn down a few pegs for this. If it happened to MS or Nintendo or any other company, the same would be true for them. That's not to say that those companies are immune to this, but if we don't respond, and respond strongly against the company that DID let it happen, what's to make them (and the others) tighten their security so that it doesn't happen again? If people weren't flipping out about this, Sony would have just as much incentive to protect this information in the future as they did two weeks ago, and look how that turned out.madiba127 said:
If it was Microsoft I would be saying the very same thing though I can only speak for myself.Outcast107 said:
Nobody is saying Sony didn't screw up. I am merely saying that the punishment they will incur for being hacked is more than sufficient - we don't need thousands of angry people, too lazy to cancel their credit cards, screaming over nothing and demanding more blood.
Was your private banking information, password and all, stolen? No, it was your credit card information, possibly without CVV. Cancel your card and that's that. You are being a massive drama queen.Thedek said:
I doubt you have both the knowledge and experience to judge that Sony are "this bloody inept", and the same goes for the journalists who have been covering this story. No digital security system is unassailable against hackers.
Now that just seems like a rather unnecessary thing to say, doesn't it?Thedek said:
No lawsuits are required. There are authorities in place to deal with the mishandling of personal information and they do their job much better than a mob.Thedek said:
I'll just quote what I replied above:IronicBeet said:
That last bit was quite funny, thank you.IronicBeet said:
If a person could commit identity theft from merely knowing someone's personal information then online directory sites (not to mention phonebooks) would be illegal.
The problem with your reasoning is that all the focus is on yourself. Since there's money involved, I can understand that, but it's childish. Nothing has happened to you. Calling your bank will prevent anything from happening to you. A more accurate quote would be: "Hellfire and damnation! Because of Sony I have to cancel my credit card! They'll burn for this!"
To all people who quoted me (To lazy and don't have enough time to go through each quote)
When I first said speical treatment I merely ment the fanboys who believe the users of PS3 shouldn't get angry at sony at all since they were hack. Now, I do feel bad that sony got hack but you sort of lose that sorryiness when you lost all your user's information. I know companies get hack all the time but this big? Come on that a bit hard to believe in my opinion.
Also when I ment if this happen to xbox, their just seem to be a lot more hate on MS then Sony in my opinion around here. Which I get annoyed that I can't simply go to a forum to look up information about stuff without seeing comment after comment how about one system is better then the other. Or just elitelist in general. (Looking at you PC users.)
I am a bit worried of the future of gaming. I don't think the entire gaming world would dissapper due to Sony (PS3 at least) going under but what would happen to the gaming companies who work with just PS3? Who would filled the void of Sony? Time will only tell and I'm sure PS3 would somehow come out of this but I firmly believe if they do they will get have gotten hit hard and probalby wont have many excluises as they are use to or will make their users pay for online like xbox.
When I first said speical treatment I merely ment the fanboys who believe the users of PS3 shouldn't get angry at sony at all since they were hack. Now, I do feel bad that sony got hack but you sort of lose that sorryiness when you lost all your user's information. I know companies get hack all the time but this big? Come on that a bit hard to believe in my opinion.
Also when I ment if this happen to xbox, their just seem to be a lot more hate on MS then Sony in my opinion around here. Which I get annoyed that I can't simply go to a forum to look up information about stuff without seeing comment after comment how about one system is better then the other. Or just elitelist in general. (Looking at you PC users.)
I am a bit worried of the future of gaming. I don't think the entire gaming world would dissapper due to Sony (PS3 at least) going under but what would happen to the gaming companies who work with just PS3? Who would filled the void of Sony? Time will only tell and I'm sure PS3 would somehow come out of this but I firmly believe if they do they will get have gotten hit hard and probalby wont have many excluises as they are use to or will make their users pay for online like xbox.