Half of Japanese Females Think Virtual Girlfriends Are Superior
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Marry their virtual girlfriends? My goodness. This is the sort of thing that makes gay marriage ALMOST look reasonable, and is POSSIBLE prove the video games rot your mind away.
All joking aside, it seems that self-esteem in Japan is also lost for men since they only want to be in a relationship with women who will do exactly what they want. Personally I understand that feeling but it is an insult to God and basic human dignity to desire a fictitious creation rather than a actual woman.
All joking aside, it seems that self-esteem in Japan is also lost for men since they only want to be in a relationship with women who will do exactly what they want. Personally I understand that feeling but it is an insult to God and basic human dignity to desire a fictitious creation rather than a actual woman.
Well, never fear Japanese women! The DS has a whole set of games full of perfect virtual boyfriends just waiting for you!
On the more serious side, yes Japanese boys are creepy. A whole bunch of the Japanese girls who are foreign exchange students at my college and at the local community college (Spokane is the sister city to a city in Japan) have basically said so. One thing you generally hear from them is that "American boys are so nice." and then you have to keep them from walking off with the first sleazebag they meet. Yes, it can be that bad. :/ They are really sweet though.
On the more serious side, yes Japanese boys are creepy. A whole bunch of the Japanese girls who are foreign exchange students at my college and at the local community college (Spokane is the sister city to a city in Japan) have basically said so. One thing you generally hear from them is that "American boys are so nice." and then you have to keep them from walking off with the first sleazebag they meet. Yes, it can be that bad. :/ They are really sweet though.
Immagine a world where... it was the opposite... I mean:
If all the girls had a virtual boyfriend :s ...
If all the girls had a virtual boyfriend :s ...
I think the reason they are popular their is because they are pretty much dirt cheap to make and buy. From what I understand, most of them have only a few diologe opitions (I have heard of some that only have 8 in the entire game), still images, and written text instead of spoken word. Most of the developers don't port them here because it is to expensive for them and the market hasn't shown promise for that kind of game here in the US for our more grim and gritty online shooters mega hit style. Japan has always had much of its media's try every attempt to cut cost (much fewer animation frames in anime, monster movies like Godzilla used costumes instead of the much more expensive claymation that monster movies like King Kong used in the US, etc.) expecting a smaller profit in return. Also, since many dating sims are porn games, and the Ao rating is basically a death sentence since no major retailer has ever held any Ao games, it just isn't worth the investment to put the game into the hands of the US.Tom Goldman said:
Man, I might as well go to Japan, if their men aren't interested in their own women.8bitmaster said:
But seriously, that's pretty ridiculous and kinda frightening. Only in Japan.
You people all need to actually read the article and then think about its' contents instead of just absorbing it. Firstly, 300 people surveyed for -anything- is a terrible survey. Try at the very least 3,000?
The marriage thing? As far as I'm aware -one- person has done that, making it a negligible occurrence apart from the novelty of it.
Also, the decent percentage of you who make the connection "These girls have low self esteem = I should go there and hit on these girls" are showing some really nice attitudes :S
The marriage thing? As far as I'm aware -one- person has done that, making it a negligible occurrence apart from the novelty of it.
Also, the decent percentage of you who make the connection "These girls have low self esteem = I should go there and hit on these girls" are showing some really nice attitudes :S
I think it's kind of ironic that half the time people on internet forums "get" the idea that there is more to a relationship than sex, and other times they seem to miss out on that point entirely.
As someone who grew up with stories by guys like Issac Asimov with people falling in love with robots or computer programs (in other fiction) the idea doesn't inherantly surprise me, assuming such programs are capable of providing a degree of companionship and company for the people involved.
Now, someone might wonder how a program like that can provide satisfying company. Having never "fallen" for a program I can honestly say I don't know, however I guess it doesn't surprise me given that we're arguably coming close to true AI or VI systems. Chess Masters have lost to computers finally, and I could have sworn I read some stuff a couple years ago in a similar vein to people producing programs that were capable of passing the "Touring Test".
The Touring Test is to put a person into a room with a computer and tell him he'll be communicating with another person via keyboard and monitor. The test is to see if the illusion can be maintained that the person is communicating with another person despite only talking to a program.
Years ago "virtual personality" programs were popular where you could have a conversation with a program called "Freud" or whatever, though most were not all that convincing. It was mostly fun to see if you could get the program to talk about itself (which it could not for all intents and purposes). Such programs came the closest to passing the test which is why they were "nerd chic" for a time. However assuming someone *HAS* created newer and more powerful versions that are capable of passing as people under a total blinder, intellectually I can see how someone could get a sense of companionship from such programs even if I don't feel it myself.
The idea doesn't specifically bother me to be honest, and I figure at some point we're going to get to the level where this becomes more than a fringe issue. Largely because speculative fiction writers saw this coming long ago.
As far as girls feeling inferior to the programs, I have to question that bit. I didn't hear how the questions were asked to know how accurate the response is. I would suppose that the real issue is that most girls simply can't be perfect all the time. Also such programs become an extension of the user, something that can be turned off or shut down at will. A real person can't compete with something like that, especially seeing as they have their own needs and desires.
In the end I can sort of see the "problem". If a computer can provide the companionship people want (though I imagine they will have to become much more powerful than they are now), the only benefit to real people of course becomes sex, and of course this comes down to body image and self confidence issues to begin with. People who realize they aren't attractive are of course going to rely on their personalities for close/romantic relationships and companionships, and if they can't compete with a computer that provides just as much in the end... well I see the issue.
Just file this away in your minds, we'll see where it goes down the road.
As a side note, humanity is already overpopulated. Anything that lowers the birth rate is arguably a good thing. Should someone come up with viable ways for dudes to get sexual satisfaction without women, that combined with the evolution of this technology will probably have a noteworthy effect on the population.
We are however a ways away from neural stimulation technology, or the affordable production of sex androids/robots.
As someone who grew up with stories by guys like Issac Asimov with people falling in love with robots or computer programs (in other fiction) the idea doesn't inherantly surprise me, assuming such programs are capable of providing a degree of companionship and company for the people involved.
Now, someone might wonder how a program like that can provide satisfying company. Having never "fallen" for a program I can honestly say I don't know, however I guess it doesn't surprise me given that we're arguably coming close to true AI or VI systems. Chess Masters have lost to computers finally, and I could have sworn I read some stuff a couple years ago in a similar vein to people producing programs that were capable of passing the "Touring Test".
The Touring Test is to put a person into a room with a computer and tell him he'll be communicating with another person via keyboard and monitor. The test is to see if the illusion can be maintained that the person is communicating with another person despite only talking to a program.
Years ago "virtual personality" programs were popular where you could have a conversation with a program called "Freud" or whatever, though most were not all that convincing. It was mostly fun to see if you could get the program to talk about itself (which it could not for all intents and purposes). Such programs came the closest to passing the test which is why they were "nerd chic" for a time. However assuming someone *HAS* created newer and more powerful versions that are capable of passing as people under a total blinder, intellectually I can see how someone could get a sense of companionship from such programs even if I don't feel it myself.
The idea doesn't specifically bother me to be honest, and I figure at some point we're going to get to the level where this becomes more than a fringe issue. Largely because speculative fiction writers saw this coming long ago.
As far as girls feeling inferior to the programs, I have to question that bit. I didn't hear how the questions were asked to know how accurate the response is. I would suppose that the real issue is that most girls simply can't be perfect all the time. Also such programs become an extension of the user, something that can be turned off or shut down at will. A real person can't compete with something like that, especially seeing as they have their own needs and desires.
In the end I can sort of see the "problem". If a computer can provide the companionship people want (though I imagine they will have to become much more powerful than they are now), the only benefit to real people of course becomes sex, and of course this comes down to body image and self confidence issues to begin with. People who realize they aren't attractive are of course going to rely on their personalities for close/romantic relationships and companionships, and if they can't compete with a computer that provides just as much in the end... well I see the issue.
Just file this away in your minds, we'll see where it goes down the road.
As a side note, humanity is already overpopulated. Anything that lowers the birth rate is arguably a good thing. Should someone come up with viable ways for dudes to get sexual satisfaction without women, that combined with the evolution of this technology will probably have a noteworthy effect on the population.
We are however a ways away from neural stimulation technology, or the affordable production of sex androids/robots.
Sweet, I'm going to Japan. I mean thousands of women with self esteem that low, jackpot! I seriously can't think of anything fun that I could do with a virtual girl... Damn all those unsatisfied women and they're thousands of kilometers away!
THIS8bitmaster said:
and... maybe they were sarcastically replying (all them females)... they all know they can do things the pixels can't. i like my sense of TOUCH better than SIGHT xD... and in the pleasure department i think the rest of the world would agree.
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The Japanese will become the virtual Japanese, we'll just steal their culture.The Hairminator said:
Of course the virtual Japanese men will want Virtual-Virtual Girlfriends...
Yes japanese boys - marry your Virtual girlfriend and never leaver you room again, please!
Now even more lonely japanese girls will be left for me! OHHHH I am in heaven!
Now even more lonely japanese girls will be left for me! OHHHH I am in heaven!