"Hatred" Reveal Trailer. Or as I like to call it, "The Next Big Controversy"

[Fishyash]

Something else just came to mind, the reaction to this game reminds me of this video.

 

[RedDeadFred]

Such angst
Many brooding
So We Need to Talk About Kevin
Wow

I'm sorry for the overused meme, but I can't take this crap seriously. Maybe if they played Batman's Darkness song over top, it would be better.

 

[MrMan999]

The entire point of Hatred seems to be to shock and offend. And quite frankly its doing its job quite well. That said, Hatred has just as much right to exist as stuff like Depression Quest. To decry hatred and call for its removal while defending stuff like Depression Quest is hypocritical. You defend one game you defend all the games.

 

[Netrigan]

You lost me at "iso-metric shooter"... the only controversy there is why people ever wanted to play them.

 

[Fappy]

The entire point of Hatred seems to be to shock and offend. And quite frankly its doing its job quite well. That said, Hatred has just as much right to exist as stuff like Depression Quest. To decry hatred and call for its removal while defending stuff like Depression Quest is hypocritical.

I don't think anyone in this thread said this game has no right to exist. Most of us just think it's dumb.

You defend one game you defend all the games.

As long as they don't fall under the purview of obscenity law, sure.

 

[Timpossible]

It's a piece of shit game. If those guys who make this say that this is "the pure gaming expierence". Well if this is pure gaming...fuck pure gaming.

The Problem with this Game is not the violence...not even the "violence against unarmed civilians"...the problem is the context. It takes itself 100% serious in the premise "Kill as many innocents as you can, because you hate humans!" It has no wacky humor like Postal 2. It seems to have no satirical subtext or gives you a choice like GTA. There is no situation of self defense. Not even in pretentious form. The Protagonist looks like the fantasy of my 16 your old psychopath, talks like one and acts like one.

It's dumb and not in a silly and funny way. It's pubertal. I thought Games have grown out of this.

By no means I want to ban it or activly stop the devlopers from doing their shitty game. But i really hope it get's ripped apart by every gaming-page that exists. Many already do. And I'm happy that Epic told them to not mention them. That's a good way: Do what you want but we don't want to have anything to do with you and your product.

BTW: The fact that some of the guys from the development-team have ties to fascist and other extreme right wing groups does not make it more likly that this will be "just another edgy game".

 

[IamLEAM1983]

Dat edge, tho.

It's not so much a question of games "having grown" out of things like this as there being a constant basin of younger gamers for whom this kind of stuff is actually interesting. Or, God forbid, to whom it actually speaks.

I see a Twin Stick shooter trying too hard, the tweens and teens might see something more evocative. Well, if "evocative" means "based off of one Philosophy semester and a Nietzsche overdose, plus the mild need for a therapist."

If I want gun porn, I have three Borderlands games to sate that need. If I need gravelly-voiced and long-haired types straight out of Rob Liefeld's darker portfolio, I have my crates of comics and pretty much the entire "The Darkness" run.

If I want Nihilistic insanity, though? Eh. I still have a couple younger cousins who just entered the "MY RECENTLY DISCOVERED SOCIAL CONSCIENCE IS BLEEDING!" phase and who are convinced we're heading for the proverbial precipice.

As for the devs having ties to Fascist orgs? Why am I not even remotely surprised? I sounds and looks like a sleeker "Zog's Revenge".

 

[RavingSturm]

No controversy about the game. The trailer's getting people to take sides, exactly the response the developers want.

 

[WhiteNachos]

The entire point of Hatred seems to be to shock and offend. And quite frankly its doing its job quite well. That said, Hatred has just as much right to exist as stuff like Depression Quest. To decry hatred and call for its removal while defending stuff like Depression Quest is hypocritical.

I don't think anyone in this thread said this game has no right to exist. Most of us just think it's dumb.

You defend one game you defend all the games.

As long as they don't fall under the purview of obscenity law, sure.

Obscenity law is vague and relies on how offensive to common tastes a piece of porn is or something like that.

Anyway if its all fiction who cares how obscene something is, there are no victims.

 

[WhiteNachos]

I find it kinda stupid how people are upset at this tbh. The method to the madness of the game aside, the fact that people are opposed to this while in other games and media people can be killed with reckless abandon and no one bats an eye. All they have to do is make sure they affiliate with some opposing group and all sins are absolved.

The concept you are looking for is called 'context'. Since we're unfortunately not living in a world in which any given act can be classified as either being absolutely wrong or absolutely right we have to contextualise.

To wit: the act of taking something is generally considered value neutral. Taking your own property is okay, taking somebody else's property is not.

The act of killing, meanwhile, is generally considered a bad thing. Killing someone on purpose gets you convicted for murder, killing an assailant in self defence does not.

And finally the act of saving a life is generally considered a good thing. Saving children from a burning orphanage gets you applause, saving Pol Pot from a burning orphanage... not so much.

As to video games, you're right: Affiliate the killing with an opposing group and give said opposing group something 'evil' to do and you're sorted. Change the context by making the people you're slaughtering innocent victims and you're begging for controversy. See how it works?

So, now that you're equipped with that tasty morsel of (common sense) knowledge you may hopefully see why people might be a bit upset.

Unless these people also complained about Saints Row they have no right to complain. Let's cut the pretense, most people who have played a sandbox crime game have gone on rampages before, and that's what this game is "GTA rampage the game". That they can be OK with that but freak out over this is hypocritical.

The only difference between the two is that this game requires you to kill civilians while most of the time the sandbox games only force you to kill cops (but sometimes there's challenges that require you to kill civilians to reach 100%).

 

[WhiteNachos]

From the Website:

These days, when a lot of games are heading to be polite, colorful, politically correct and trying to be some kind of higher art, rather than just an entertainment ? we wanted to create something against trends. Something different, something that could give the player a pure, gaming pleasure.

Wow. I wish I lived in whatever imagination land they do.

The game looks exactly like something a secretly neo-nazi person would make. Or an un-ironic metal head.

They have a point, not about the politically correct part but way too many games take themselves too seriously and try to have a story as a main focus rather than new and great gameplay.

 

[WhiteNachos]

Part of me wonders if this was commissioned by people who genuinely hate videogames and/or the people trying to change videogames "for the better"...

Because it kind of looks like Starwman: The Game to me; something manufactured purely to paint the industry and gamers as crazy people. It plays on just about every prejudice and it seems to be doing it on purpose.

Reminder: one of the most popular video game franchises in the world is named after a felony and enables people to go on killing-sprees.

That is done very tongue in cheek with a dark humor context,

*cough* Cop out *cough* *cough* Bullshit *cough*. Oh sorry there was something in my throat. Seriously you're going to argue that you slaughter pedestrians ironically?

What is tongue and cheek about getting into huge shoot outs with the police? The same police that the games say are corrupt? The same police it demands you kill in certain missions because you are a criminal?

What about GTA IV when they tried to have a gritty story with drama and you can still mow down civilians for fun?

 

[Bombiz]

From the Website:

These days, when a lot of games are heading to be polite, colorful, politically correct and trying to be some kind of higher art, rather than just an entertainment ? we wanted to create something against trends. Something different, something that could give the player a pure, gaming pleasure.

Wow. I wish I lived in whatever imagination land they do.

The game looks exactly like something a secretly neo-nazi person would make. Or an un-ironic metal head.

They have a point, not about the politically correct part but way too many games take themselves too seriously and try to have a story as a main focus rather than new and great[\b]gameplay.

But the gameplay isn't new or great. At least from what the trailer showed. It looks boring,bland, and generic. Looks to me like they're trying to sell based on shock value alone which is the biggest offence in my book.

 

[WhiteNachos]

From the Website:

These days, when a lot of games are heading to be polite, colorful, politically correct and trying to be some kind of higher art, rather than just an entertainment ? we wanted to create something against trends. Something different, something that could give the player a pure, gaming pleasure.

Wow. I wish I lived in whatever imagination land they do.

The game looks exactly like something a secretly neo-nazi person would make. Or an un-ironic metal head.

They have a point, not about the politically correct part but way too many games take themselves too seriously and try to have a story as a main focus rather than new and great[\b]gameplay.

But the gameplay isn't new or great. At least from what the trailer showed. It looks boring,bland, and generic. Looks to me like they're trying to sell based on shock value alone which is the biggest offence in my book.

I don't think we've seen enough of the gameplay to make a judgement call.

But in either case this is something that hasn't been done before, a mass murder simulator. It is something new because in most sandbox games when you get a wanted level there's unrealistic ways to lose it (like saving the game in GTA).

IDK this seems to be focused on the enjoyment of killing everything and not much else. Even if it doesn't do anything new it's still bucking the trend of games that put too much on story.

 

[Bombiz]

From the Website:

These days, when a lot of games are heading to be polite, colorful, politically correct and trying to be some kind of higher art, rather than just an entertainment ? we wanted to create something against trends. Something different, something that could give the player a pure, gaming pleasure.

Wow. I wish I lived in whatever imagination land they do.

The game looks exactly like something a secretly neo-nazi person would make. Or an un-ironic metal head.

They have a point, not about the politically correct part but way too many games take themselves too seriously and try to have a story as a main focus rather than new and great[\b]gameplay.

But the gameplay isn't new or great. At least from what the trailer showed. It looks boring,bland, and generic. Looks to me like they're trying to sell based on shock value alone which is the biggest offence in my book.

I don't think we've seen enough of the gameplay to make a judgement call.

But in either case this is something that hasn't been done before, a mass murder simulator. It is something new because in most sandbox games when you get a wanted level there's unrealistic ways to lose it (like saving the game in GTA).

IDK this seems to be focused on the enjoyment of killing everything and not much else. Even if it doesn't do anything new it's still bucking the trend of games that put too much on story.

So what? cut out the story and just kill for fun? I feel like you could play a free flash game and get the same amount of enjoyment if not more for free. plus if you go around only killing civilians what's the point? seems like it would get boring quickly.
I just can't not see this as the anti-SJW's equivalent to Gone Home. A game with a neat premises that just falls flat but sells well due to controversy.

 

[WhiteNachos]

From the Website:

These days, when a lot of games are heading to be polite, colorful, politically correct and trying to be some kind of higher art, rather than just an entertainment ? we wanted to create something against trends. Something different, something that could give the player a pure, gaming pleasure.

Wow. I wish I lived in whatever imagination land they do.

The game looks exactly like something a secretly neo-nazi person would make. Or an un-ironic metal head.

They have a point, not about the politically correct part but way too many games take themselves too seriously and try to have a story as a main focus rather than new and great[\b]gameplay.

But the gameplay isn't new or great. At least from what the trailer showed. It looks boring,bland, and generic. Looks to me like they're trying to sell based on shock value alone which is the biggest offence in my book.

I don't think we've seen enough of the gameplay to make a judgement call.

But in either case this is something that hasn't been done before, a mass murder simulator. It is something new because in most sandbox games when you get a wanted level there's unrealistic ways to lose it (like saving the game in GTA).

IDK this seems to be focused on the enjoyment of killing everything and not much else. Even if it doesn't do anything new it's still bucking the trend of games that put too much on story.

So what? cut out the story and just kill for fun? I feel like you could play a free flash game and get the same amount of enjoyment if not more for free. plus if you go around only killing civilians what's the point? seems like it would get boring quickly.
I just can't not see this as the anti-SJW's equivalent to Gone Home. A game with a neat premises that just falls flat but sells well due to controversy.

I saw cops in the trailer.

And you're missing my point, what if it really was a serial killer thing where you had to go on the run from the law rather than just go home. There's potential here.

And killing for fun describes the multiplayer in basically every FPS ever made.

 

[Callate]

Shrug.

If you can't push a few boundaries, you don't really have artistic freedom.

I don't have to buy it, and I don't have to play it. But I also don't have to bite my nails in horror at what assumptions ignorant and small-minded people, media or otherwise, might make about me because it presumes to exist. That way lies a particularly foolish form of paralysis.

I think the character designer of The Darkness might want to have a word, though.

 

[WhiteNachos]

Say what you want, being politically incorrect seems to be working for them.

Already people are calling them crazy, edgy, tryhards, childish and what not. Cmon on. Theres a fucking goat simulator! I really don't want to use relative fallacy here, but please. Think for a second. Judge the context and quality of this trailer with Goat Simulator sitting next to it, and tell me again how tryhard, random, edgy and childish it is.

All we know, the game might be good. Are we judging the quality of the context or the context's subject itself?

Edit:
And after rewatching the trailer, are we seriously questioning the mental health of a character that goes Postal? Obviously, the context would be better if it was a love story or revenge trip.

You're assuming that I actually liked Goat simulator. They're both bad games its just that this one is so pretentios and straight faced about it that it just rubs me the wrong way.
As far as I see it both this game and goat simulator are the exact same game with the exact same fan base.

Then let's take the other end of the spectrum and compare it to Blood Money. Another pretentios and straight faced game about killing innocent people for no higher ideologies. Or love.

Were you playing the same game I'm playing?

Almost every one of your targets is a horrible human being, which kind of goes with the territory of being a high priced hitman. I wouldn't call it pretentious, it just tried to have a solemn atmosphere and it tried to make a point about human cloning but it never got full of itself.

And the game is amazing.

 

[Bombiz]

I saw cops in the trailer.

And you're missing my point, what if it really was a serial killer thing where you had to go on the run from the law rather than just go home. There's potential here.

And killing for fun describes the multiplayer in basically every FPS ever made.

I saw cops getting their asses killed

the game didn't depict the cops as any real danger. if anything they where just one more thing to shoot. and in a multiplier fps people actually try to shoot/fight back. Sometimes with devastating results.

And Gone Home also has potential. Doesn't change what most people think of it though.

 

[WhiteNachos]

I saw cops in the trailer.

And you're missing my point, what if it really was a serial killer thing where you had to go on the run from the law rather than just go home. There's potential here.

And killing for fun describes the multiplayer in basically every FPS ever made.

I saw cops getting their asses killed

the game didn't depict the cops as any real danger. if anything they where just one more thing to shoot. and in a multiplier fps people actually try to shoot/fight back. Sometimes with devastating results.

And Gone Home also has potential. Doesn't change what most people think of it though.

You honestly think the cops aren't going to shoot back?

I'd say the odds of that happening are about 0.