Heavy Rain Is "Not Porn"

[samsonguy920]

So it's a glorified "Choose your own Adventure" book then?

Now that could work, if done right. That gives me fond memories, and reminds me I still don't know what I did with my CYOA books....
As for the so-called Love scenes, it makes me think this might actually draw more of the female gamers to it. Female protagonist, story of love, etc etc. Although with this being an opportunity at seeing something new in games, it has my curiosity as well.
And those in the media who want to be ignorant asses? Go ahead, do your worst. It will either sell well or badly without your closemindedness. I have to admit the ESRB giving it an M rating has my curiosity as well. I thought lots of sex usually qualified a game for AO rating. Maybe they actually find the sex "in good taste."

 

[Unholykrumpet]

I hate making decisions in real life and in videogames. I hate choosing who to kill off in GTA IV and who lives or dies in Dragon Age: Origins. I'm just never sure if I'm making the right choice or not. This game is apparently all about decision making. Count me out, gratuitous, pixelated sex or no.

 

[Internet Kraken]

Actually I just remembered how bad the character animations are in Heavy Rain. So if there's a sex scene, I can only imagine how artificial and awkward it is going to be.

I hate making decisions in real life and in videogames. I hate choosing who to kill off in GTA IV and who lives or dies in Dragon Age: Origins. I'm just never sure if I'm making the right choice or not. This game is apparently all about decision making. Count me out, gratuitous, pixelated sex or no.

Oh don't worry; you don't actually make these decisions yourself. The game doesn't let you. You just hit the buttons that pop up on the screen. And if you don't, something bad happens to change the story.

That's all the control I have seen Heavy Rain give to the player in terms of influencing the story. Quite pathetic really.

 

[samsonguy920]

On another note, I am betting this gives prime material for another winning Unskippable episode. I bet Graham and Paul are chomping at the bit even now. I can't wait!

[sub]Sex in games are getting cliché now.[/sub]

[sub]What isn't cliche in games these days?[/sub]

I hate making decisions in real life and in videogames. I hate choosing who to kill off in GTA IV and who lives or dies in Dragon Age: Origins. I'm just never sure if I'm making the right choice or not. This game is apparently all about decision making. Count me out, gratuitous, pixelated sex or no.

Well you can always wait til a friend buys it, and let them make all the decisions while you enjoy the cheesecake. It can be like a movie for you, with your friend deciding the plot.

 

[samsonguy920]

I'd love to be proven wrong though. Show me a trailer that gives the player more freedom.

Show me a trailer that has something to actually do with the actual gameplay, and I will show you a trailer that gives the player more freedom.

 

[Aesir23]

Huh, it seems like more and more non-pornographic games are broaching the topic of sex, and they're doing it as a story element instead of an added feature to help rake in profits. (Greanted, there is a lot of truth to the saying "Sex sells")

I don't know about anyone else, but it kind of shows that gaming is maturing as an industry, video games aren't viewed as just for kids anymore.

Now if only we could fix that about the Trix cereal.

 

[BonsaiK]

"It's definitely not porn," he said. "We don't intend to push the boundaries and be ultra-realistic in every detail. It's about real characters having emotions and doing what adults do when they fall in love."

Which is what, exactly? I'm confused. What?

Well, have sex obviously. Or that's certianly what's implied anyway.

"It's not porn" is a silly comment for anyone to make about anything. The line between porn and art/erotica/storytelling/[fill in the blank] is subjective, and always in the eye of the recipient, not the creator. Anything can be porn. If I'm turned on by chairs, a furniture catalogue is porn for me. Whereas for someone else, it obviously is just a shopping guide.

I guess their argument is "it's not created with pornographic intent", or in other words, it's not designed for people to get off on. However, that distinction is arguably meaningless, because, as has been aptly demonstrated many times throughout human history, humans will get off on all sorts of stuff whether it was designed for that purpose or not. Including, in many cases, video game box art featuring a girl who looks like she's a runner-up at a wet T-shirt contest.

I think the creators are just trying to claim the artistic higher-ground that cinema occupies, and adding elements that one would associate with cinema (deeper storytelling, sexual content) helps that process along. I think this is a good thing for gaming as a whole, but I also think that this type of "it's not porn... honest it isn't, really, it's not... you believe us, right? We promise..." moral hand-wringing is not necessary, and they would probably get a better reaction by just releasing the game and having the game speak for itself. Gamers will be able to decide for themselves if it's porn or not. Right now they just look like they're trying to highlight sexual content in order to sell their game a bit more, which certainly sounds like "pornographic intent" to me.

 

[Internet Kraken]

I'd love to be proven wrong though. Show me a trailer that gives the player more freedom.

Show me a trailer that has something to actually do with the actual gameplay, and I will show you a trailer that gives the player more freedom.

That's about 8 minutes of "gameplay". The player is given a grand total of one moment in which he can make a variety of decisions. And considering the context of the situation, the available choices, and the event that occurs right afterwards, what choice you make probably has little impact. For the rest of the scene you are forced to play an extended session of Simon-says. How thrilling.

Now please show me a trailer that gives the player more freedom.

Note: If Heavy Rain is "not porn", then what is the point of the entire last minute of this trailer?

 

[sylekage]

That actually sounds...Like a very good concept for a game, and if it's about love, then hell, throw it in there. Be proud of the game you put out. sounds like a good one.

 

[samsonguy920]

I'd love to be proven wrong though. Show me a trailer that gives the player more freedom.

Show me a trailer that has something to actually do with the actual gameplay, and I will show you a trailer that gives the player more freedom.

That's about 8 minutes of "gameplay". The player is given a grand total of one moment in which he can make a variety of decisions. And considering the context of the situation, the available choices, and the event that occurs right afterwards, what choice you make probably has little impact. For the rest of the scene you are forced to play an extended session of Simon-says. How thrilling.

Now please show me a trailer that gives the player more freedom.

Note: If Heavy Rain is "not porn", then what is the point of the entire last minute of this trailer?

Well after watching that, I found it obvious the characters are guided by the player, where they walk to, what they inspect. It's not entirely carrot on a stick. I am reminded of the Law&Order games and older rpg games like Kings Quest and Police Quest. So I have to begin to wonder if this game is fieldbreaking as much as the developers think it is. From what I saw there is more freedom in the game than what you are perceiving, but seeing the actual gameplay come after release will tell the tale. Either way, if it is more freedom and less sex you are looking for, then it appears Heavy Rain isn't for you. It is your choice.
Note: I think this [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/94247-Cage-Defends-Heavy-Rain-Striptease-Scene] is what you are wondering about.

 

[Sixties Spidey]

Right, yet there will be tons of pubescent fucks who will be more than willing to buy this game because one of the characters gets her tits out. They can say all they want that it's "not porn", but ultimately, it will be the inevitable jackasses who will be buy the game and regard it as such.

 

[Zing]

Im kind of intrested to see how that will be implemented...In Farenheit (Indigo Prophecy to you in the US), they tried doing 'Love' and it just seemed like an impromptu reason to do a scene similar to that of Mass Effect...

Im all down for the idea of 'Love' been involved, how exactly it is implemented though is what intrests me the most

Indigo Prophecy came out 2 years before Mass Effect.

And I think Dragon Age came pretty close to "love" or whatever. The only problem is that is was a role-playing game, so your PC is "you", and it's impossible for pretty much everyone to actually feel love for one of the characters you can have a relationship with, if any game could do it, it would be Heavy Rain though..

Right, yet there will be tons of pubescent fucks who will be more than willing to buy this game because one of the characters gets her tits out. They can say all they want that it's "not porn", but ultimately, it will be the inevitable jackasses who will be buy the game and regard it as such.

I guess I hold society in higher regard, I mean before the internet, sure, kids would be all over it. But come on. Type Boobs into google kids.

 

[liffi]

I think this is just one of pr thing coming out but as they said it's not porn I would hold my breath to see anything realy and I am ok with that. If the story realy goes that direction I think they should have it in the game and what I have read that this is adult game with normal human feelings sure love is part of life. This doesn't mean that they should show the act and I think that it would be better if the act isn't shown at all. I think I am happy with only the info that they love each other and we all know when people want to have sex and so on.

Porn or no porn doesn't matter to me. Gonna buy it still. =P

 

[FallenJellyDoughnut]

I don't see this game as a deal breaker, currently. I could completely wrong, but it seems like someone saw Metal Gear Solids and thought you know, if we just almost totally removed gameplay we could almost make a movie, and in the literal term make a 'Video Game' (something i think most of us Brits never really understood as a name, Computer Games over here).

Anyway, if it is literally influencing a story with basically no character control, it could frankly be one of the most boring gaming experiences ever, it might have a fantastic story and compelling characters but as a game it will have failed utterly and totally. Unless of course, you can make the wrong choice which gets you killed which will surely become a very annoying trip into quick save land.

I think it's much the same as a Sonic the Hedgehog Game Book i had as a kid, where you had to choose what to do at the end of each chapter/page. There is a reason that most books don't do that. It sucks. I mean could you imagine getting to the last page of Romeo and Juliet and having a 'kill self','cry your eyes out in mourning'. The later of which triggering a 'happy ending' where he wakes up and all is good?

This is of course, if it gives you the opportunity to change things that much, at which point basically everything you do is pointless. I will of course totally reserve judgement until i've played it but for now i remain dubious of the entire premise of this 'game'

Apparently if one character dies, the story doesn't just end, you will go on to the next character and control them.

 

[ThatOneJewYouNo]

I am certainly not one to compare porn to video games, but the term "visual novel" (Which I mostly associate with porn-like material, so there's the porn) comes into play when I hear how this game will come out.
I'm sure I'll be wrong in some aspects, but I think it'll be a damn good title no matter what these critics are saying. It's like watching the Lord of the Rings and going "What is this? Wizards. This is ridiculous, I don't even believe in wizards. This is wizard propaganda, and it's going too far with this content." You're playing the game for a reason, expect there to be something someone won't take to kindly. I guess when they chose to alienate themselves by taking the road less traveled, they should have been prepared for such nonsense.

 

[Razorback0z]

You know what....

If Im gonna put my money where my mouth has been for the last 5 years, i have to buy this game on release. Because i have been harping on about supporting developers who try to break the mold in any way.... so I hope its good coz I guess I will be playing it.

 

[OmegaXIII]

I totally agree: he just needs to make a damn good game; he needs to stop acting like he's some sort of messiah, here to show us what we've all been missing.

Maybe we should introduce him to Peter Molyneux?

And blurring the lines between game and cinema? Didn't MGS4 already do that?

 

[minky]

Look at the female on the cover art... they're not fooling anyone.

Yeah, I would like to give them the benefit of the doubt (blame the marketers maybe?), but the box art and the trailer do speak volumes. Every time a women is on screen, she's either the wife running round in panties and not much else, or else it's a stripper ho. If they're really trying to be "serious" then why are all the girls so contrived?

P.s: I don't mind sex in games/films/whatnot, but I prefer it when it is a more lighthearted and less goddamn sneaky.

 

[Killerbunny001]

I don`t know about you guys but I don`t play games for this so called "love" thing nor do I look for a game that is only about decision making. You give me a gun or a hoard of imps or a really big sword and the promise of boobs and I`m all in. The marketing coat applied here makes me run for the hills.

Also I thought the cinematic-games era finished and we all agreed that if you want to interact you play a game and when you don`t you watch a movie. Bastard children like this one are supposed to be out of trend right ?

 

[Jared]

Im kind of intrested to see how that will be implemented...In Farenheit (Indigo Prophecy to you in the US), they tried doing 'Love' and it just seemed like an impromptu reason to do a scene similar to that of Mass Effect...

Im all down for the idea of 'Love' been involved, how exactly it is implemented though is what intrests me the most

Indigo Prophecy came out 2 years before Mass Effect.

Oh, I know. I was just using it as a term of reference.