Hentai Collector Sentenced to Jail Over "Obscene" Material

The Last Nomad

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Its kinda stupid arresting someone for owning a comic... I assume they did nothing to the guy who wrote/drew the comic, or the publishers?

I also find it weird that movies and games show peoples lives ending, and one guys not allowed to own pictures of naked people...
 

Outamyhead

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Wow, why aren't they banning the tentacle rape/demon rape/weird crazies rape, hentai movies then?

Not that I care for them, because I don't that kinda crap get's switched off, even if it's in the middle of a decent anime movie.
 

Yokai

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Demonraiser said:
Yokai said:
Wow. His prosecutors must not be very familiar with the internet...
While I fully believe there's no harm in shaming the guy--hentai is disgusting--five and a half years of jail time/counseling/probation for owning what amounts to cartoon porn is ludicrous. Seriously, you can beat someone up and steal their wallet and get away with less. Doesn't the justice department have more important things to worry about?
Yes There IS harm in shaming the guy because he looked at hentai. would you like to have someone ragging you for any kinks, women choices, sexual preferences or material you owned, just because someone else finds it "disgusting"?
Here we go...the Miller Test thing again. You're right, peoples' opinions differ on what is disgusting, but it's probably safe to say that he majority of the population finds hentai obscene. And before you pull that card, it is different from sexual orientation--there's nothing abnormal or unusual about homosexuals; they've always existed. Looking at hentai is most definitely a choice. People got along just fine before it was invented.

Additionally, being told off by a judge about his reading habits is not going to noticeably interfere with his life in the way that jail time, probation and counseling would. It might make him reconsider how he spends his time, which wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, but it wouldn't put him in a place where he has many reasons to hate the police and as such might actually start behaving criminally.
 

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It's a CARTOON! It's not real. The artist and voice actors are all consenting adult humans. A drawing cannot be under age.
 

shadow skill

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Yokai said:
Demonraiser said:
Yokai said:
Wow. His prosecutors must not be very familiar with the internet...
While I fully believe there's no harm in shaming the guy--hentai is disgusting--five and a half years of jail time/counseling/probation for owning what amounts to cartoon porn is ludicrous. Seriously, you can beat someone up and steal their wallet and get away with less. Doesn't the justice department have more important things to worry about?
Yes There IS harm in shaming the guy because he looked at hentai. would you like to have someone ragging you for any kinks, women choices, sexual preferences or material you owned, just because someone else finds it "disgusting"?
Here we go...the Miller Test thing again. You're right, peoples' opinions differ on what is disgusting, but it's probably safe to say that he majority of the population finds hentai obscene. And before you pull that card, it is different from sexual orientation--there's nothing abnormal or unusual about homosexuals; they've always existed. Looking at hentai is most definitely a choice. People got along just fine before it was invented.

Additionally, being told off by a judge about his reading habits is not going to noticeably interfere with his life in the way that jail time, probation and counseling would. It might make him reconsider how he spends his time, which wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, but it wouldn't put him in a place where he has many reasons to hate the police and as such might actually start behaving criminally.
Cept porn probably came into existence as soon as we started drawing.
 

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Yokai said:
Demonraiser said:
Yokai said:
Wow. His prosecutors must not be very familiar with the internet...
While I fully believe there's no harm in shaming the guy--hentai is disgusting--five and a half years of jail time/counseling/probation for owning what amounts to cartoon porn is ludicrous. Seriously, you can beat someone up and steal their wallet and get away with less. Doesn't the justice department have more important things to worry about?
Yes There IS harm in shaming the guy because he looked at hentai. would you like to have someone ragging you for any kinks, women choices, sexual preferences or material you owned, just because someone else finds it "disgusting"?
Here we go...the Miller Test thing again. You're right, peoples' opinions differ on what is disgusting, but it's probably safe to say that he majority of the population finds hentai obscene. And before you pull that card, it is different from sexual orientation--there's nothing abnormal or unusual about homosexuals; they've always existed. Looking at hentai is most definitely a choice. People got along just fine before it was invented.

Additionally, being told off by a judge about his reading habits is not going to noticeably interfere with his life in the way that jail time, probation and counseling would. It might make him reconsider how he spends his time, which wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, but it wouldn't put him in a place where he has many reasons to hate the police and as such might actually start behaving criminally.
anime = cartoons

manga = comics

hentai = porn

That's it. I do get where you're coming from, being a non-live medium, hentai can, and overwhelming does depict situations that are impossible, or extremely distasteful/offensive or dangerous to actually be reproduced in real life.

However, it is not -safe- to say the the majority of people find it obscene, and more to the point, is painting broad clumsy strokes of an artform that runs the full gamut of styles and themes that any other creative medium does. The smut aside at least. ^^'
 

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shadow skill said:
Yokai said:
Demonraiser said:
Yokai said:
Wow. His prosecutors must not be very familiar with the internet...
While I fully believe there's no harm in shaming the guy--hentai is disgusting--five and a half years of jail time/counseling/probation for owning what amounts to cartoon porn is ludicrous. Seriously, you can beat someone up and steal their wallet and get away with less. Doesn't the justice department have more important things to worry about?
Yes There IS harm in shaming the guy because he looked at hentai. would you like to have someone ragging you for any kinks, women choices, sexual preferences or material you owned, just because someone else finds it "disgusting"?
Here we go...the Miller Test thing again. You're right, peoples' opinions differ on what is disgusting, but it's probably safe to say that he majority of the population finds hentai obscene. And before you pull that card, it is different from sexual orientation--there's nothing abnormal or unusual about homosexuals; they've always existed. Looking at hentai is most definitely a choice. People got along just fine before it was invented.

Additionally, being told off by a judge about his reading habits is not going to noticeably interfere with his life in the way that jail time, probation and counseling would. It might make him reconsider how he spends his time, which wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, but it wouldn't put him in a place where he has many reasons to hate the police and as such might actually start behaving criminally.
Cept porn probably came into existence as soon as we started drawing.
You're probably right. The tentacle rape is a new thing though. It's a bit hard to see how it contributes positively to our society.
 

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I'm not saying that having child hentai makes them a child molester, you interpretted what I said not as it was meant. The thought behind what I said is that, this is how the public look at these things. All those uber conservatives take it out of context and turn it into if he was looking, reading, etc. then he is. The world turns anything into something it's not.
 

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geldonyetich said:
cobra_ky said:
I understand the intent of the law. The problem is that by invoking the Miller Test, it subjects the First Amendment to subjective, arbitrary, "commmunity standards". As far as I know, this is the only instance where constitutional protection varies depending on your location.
Really? Given just how radical cultural relativity is, I suspect you'd fall into culture shock of you knew just how many things did differ cross-culturally.
eh? what does culture have to do with it? I'm talking about constitutional rights being applied differently in different places within the United States. The Miller Test refers to both "contemporary community standards" and "applicable state law". Therefore, the question of what is constitutionally protected free speech varies from place to place, depending on state law and "community standards".


geldonyetich said:
And ideas aren't (or at least shouldn't be) illegal.
It's interesting you think that and yet you know of the existance of the Miller Test.
hence the "or shouldn't be" parenthetical.

geldonyetich said:
Child porn isn't evidence of intent to molest children any more than violent media is evidence of intent to commit murder.
You might want to be careful with your terms. "Child porn" is actually evidence that the molesting of children has taken place. What we're referring to here is something else - conceptual child porn.
point taken.
 

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makes me ashmed to be american

OT:that is really overeacting its just porn for christ sake now excuse me im gonna go wipe my hardrive
 

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I hear, that the Lawyer wasn't much use either, actually I think the Comic book Legal Fund, people said he could have gotten out of this, had he kept going. Still I suspect the lawyer fear mongered him to taking the plea bargain. Probably the guy who got busted was feeling ashamed really.

I mean bloody hell 15 years for drawings? I don't think he was even given the whole picture of the situation he was in.

Still thats all speculation, but still the protect act of 2003 was actually struck down, as being unconsitutional, so they are charging him with "Obscenity Laws" Which also should have only been used in the context that he was using the material in question in public.

Ofcourse since they had to scrounge around in his mail to get the said evidence I think that should have been caught, but then I ain't a Lawyer like Eric Chase Who Seems to have missed that entirely. I mean why was it even red flagged? What possible reason did they search that package? Clearly it was purely concidental ehh?

So yeah they got him on the "Obscene material" (postal people searching it), and "Interstate Commerce" Because it was imported from elsewhere. Yep just those 2 things and he get all that crap....yeah...and a murderer only gets 2-4 years? This is turning out to be as bad as people saying Every drug is bad....even though alot of those drugs have good medical purposes....

As for an actual lolicon vs pedophile = one will sit on there ass and read their comics, and not try anything in the outside world, the latter is already out there trying to get what they want. One is a is a sitting duck, the other is a wolf, I'd rather try to kill a wolf for fear of my sheep. With that said however the justice system decided to mesh the duck with the wolf, which already doesn't work. 2 completely different animals classified to be the same?...yeah do the biology

Also Not All Lolicon manga/doujinshi "victimzes" actually some involves about a growing relationship, sides there is always a wide spectrum in the smallest of details. Otherwise, most lolicons are apparenty drawn to flat-chested females and let me tell you, tall blonde and flat, just does not work well I mean seriously. Flat chested females look better when they are shorter than 160cm.

Trust me on that one sides atleast thats a body figure that actually exists in the asian world, im america not so much i don't think. actually i think the orginal root for lolicon was: lolita a female who has fully matured mentally (age of 20 and above), but looks like she hasn't physically. I think the closest counter part to this in the western world would be "Barely Legal." Legal, but doesn't look it.

Also since the topic of the "Obscenity Laws" have popped up, In certain states, urinating in public will have you thrown in on the sex offenders list. No joke, you get to be with all the serial rapists, actual child kidnappers/rapists and those who actually violate animals, and all those seeming wonderful people. Isn't that JUST Dandy?
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
zala-taichou said:
Makes you want to check what else may land you in jail... He's got a strange hobby, but I'm inclined to let him be. He doesn't hurt anyone with it, and for me that's the thing that counts.
He has a strange hobby that, thanks to an association with pedophilia was finally outlawed several years back. Your other hobbies are very likely safe.

(Not saying I approve of thought crime laws, but it does stand to reason).
You didnt explain anything... What stands to reason? Studies done in Japan say people with hentai are usually not the ones raping. It has been proven lightly as something to "sooth imagination and sexual urges", instead of letting them fester to a criminal record. I disagree with his choice in artwork, but I think its stupid that the even fine him for having them, as long as he keeps it to himself and in his own house.
 

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reciprocal said:
The Austin said:
Piecewise said:
The Austin said:
Rex Dark said:
So collecting artwork is illegal now?
Good thing I don't live in the US.
I'd rather move to Japan!
.......Did you just call animated child porn artwork?
Prove that it is not.
Prove that it is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Greece

Please refer to the upper right image.
Yes. That, is a picture of an ancient vase from Greece. That is art.
Cartoon child porn is not.
 

Scrythe

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You know what I hate about these stories? Some guy gets caught and now everyone publicly knows what he jacks off to. That's not right.

Then again, femnazis would be all over me screaming "HE'S A PERV HE HAS NO RIGHTS" to which I'll simply vomit in disgust.
 

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Yokai said:
You're probably right. The tentacle rape is a new thing though. It's a bit hard to see how it contributes positively to our society.
Actually, it's not that new. It has been around for some time.