I'm just curious as to who DC thought this design would appeal to? This look is disappointing to anyone who likes the comics, games, animated series, or movies. Is it really that difficult to put Mark Hamil's Joker on screen?
Yeah, but Keaton was understandable, and still is. He was largely a comedy actor and is not that imposing of a guy at that point in time. Add in that the first Batman movie had the Joker involved, and you've got to understand people being worried it'd be even campier than Adam West(and to a point it was, but also in a bit of a disturbing area of camp). Even Ledger's understandable, nobody had seen him do much work as heavy as they were making the Joker out to be before TDK came out.thanatos388 said:It looks fine honestly. Kinda dumb if you think about it too much but not as horrible as everyone is making it out to be. Then again people bitched about Heath Ledger and bitched about Michael Keaton and such so lets just wait. There is always something that will look bad at first but the performance and script could turn it around (it won't, the movie will suck in all likelihood) and we'll all laugh that we ever doubted it like with Dark Knight.
You'd be surprised how many folks get facial tattoos in prison.Redryhno said:I have nothing wrong with tattoos, I've got two myself, but neither are on my face, and I highly doubt Joker would be in general population long enough to get them in the first place if he was in prison.
Again, what Joker do you know that would let anymook near him that he didn't want to? And exactly what Joker would ruin his already iconic smile with distractions like those tattoos? Because that's honestly what they are, they don't tell you this person's someone to not be messed with, they tell you this is a guy that is trying far to hard to be taken seriously by daddy.Spaceman Spiff said:You'd be surprised how many folks get facial tattoos in prison.Redryhno said:I have nothing wrong with tattoos, I've got two myself, but neither are on my face, and I highly doubt Joker would be in general population long enough to get them in the first place if he was in prison.
I agree that tats aren't Joker's style. I more or less said so in another post in this thread.Redryhno said:Again, what Joker do you know that would let anymook near him that he didn't want to? And exactly what Joker would ruin his already iconic smile with distractions like those tattoos? Because that's honestly what they are, they don't tell you this person's someone to not be messed with, they tell you this is a guy that is trying far to hard to be taken seriously by daddy.Spaceman Spiff said:You'd be surprised how many folks get facial tattoos in prison.Redryhno said:I have nothing wrong with tattoos, I've got two myself, but neither are on my face, and I highly doubt Joker would be in general population long enough to get them in the first place if he was in prison.
I wasn't really citing prison time as that though, I was pointing out that most of the people doing tattoos would probably not be where he's kept. At least not long enough for him to get them.Spaceman Spiff said:I agree that tats aren't Joker's style. I more or less said so in another post in this thread.Redryhno said:Again, what Joker do you know that would let anymook near him that he didn't want to? And exactly what Joker would ruin his already iconic smile with distractions like those tattoos? Because that's honestly what they are, they don't tell you this person's someone to not be messed with, they tell you this is a guy that is trying far to hard to be taken seriously by daddy.Spaceman Spiff said:You'd be surprised how many folks get facial tattoos in prison.Redryhno said:I have nothing wrong with tattoos, I've got two myself, but neither are on my face, and I highly doubt Joker would be in general population long enough to get them in the first place if he was in prison.
I just wouldn't cite prison time as a reason that a character shouldn't have tats. Also, maybe Harley did them. Or Bob.
R.I.P. Bob
Er, I think that might be a response to someone else, Pluvia. The crux of what I was saying was that this felt more like a character with a Joker obsession (like the Jokerz) than the Joker himself, not that he would be too crazy to stay still long enough to get inked.Pluvia said:I can understand all the complaints. It seems weird to think of the Joker sitting down and getting tattoos.Asita said:Eh, I'd definitely debate that. This is a character whose iconic outfit is a three piece suit complete with boutonniere (wilted or otherwise), and who is usually possessed of more than a little theatricality. Tats just don't fit the guy and I feel that these particular ones send more of an "I'm trying to make you think I'm crazy" than "I really am crazy" message in the design department. The design would work spectacularly for one of the Jokerz in Batman Beyond, or someone else obsessed with the Joker, but for the Joker himself? I don't see it. It kinda crosses the line dividing 'reimagined character' and 'inspired by'.Pluvia said:Get rid of "Damaged" on the forehead and I think he looks alright. Makes the Joker seem fresh again.
But what I think is well, the Joker has always been a bad character. When we see him he's crazy, but we don't see him doing all the normal things he must obviously have to do: Go shopping for food, putting his makeup on, finding somewhere to live that has toilets, etc. At some points during his day he's going to have to stop being the crazy Joker and just be.. mundane and normal. We never see this of course, it would ruin the illusion. Frankly, if he was constantly crazy all the time he'd be captured by the police and Batman in a day.
To me it doesn't stretch believability that he sat down and got tattoos. He clearly does other normal things to get through the week.
Well, we don't have any context, for all we know, in this universe/story, the "Joker" could be some random obsessed fan of the original they arrested. Kind of an inverted take on the Nite Owls from Watchmen, where the fanboy took over the role after the original was too old (or dead, or missing, or still alive for the heck of it).WolfThomas said:-The tattoos. Again the Joker is meant to be in prison, so I like the idea of prison tats. But these look like something someone obsessed with the Joker might have. Not the actual joker. I can't think of what the Joker would have but I think it would be smarter/more confusing than "hahahahaha" or "damaged"