Hitman: Plan B

[BehattedWanderer]

It doesn't help things, from my perspective, that it's the Saints trailer, a word that has come to ironically mean "filled with absurd sexual hyperviolence" for me. Gee, wonder how that happened...

 

[Susan Arendt]

My biggest issue with the trailer is the damn clothes. Not because they're sexualize, per se, but because they make no goddamn sense. No woman is going to wear platform heels in a situation where she might have to run, or get into a physical altercation. Fishnet stockings? Laughable. Something with a boning, like a corset? Not if you plan on breathing particularly well. The aggravating part is that they all could've worn catsuits a la Black Widow in The Avengers and could've been "sexy" but also made sense from a practical point of view (though something like spandex would make far more sense than leather, though leather does help serve as moderate body armor against slashing attacks).

The nun outfits, as represented, are one of two things: a shtick or a disguise. If these lady assassins have some kind of gimmick, like the gangs in The Warriors do, then fine...it's stupid, but ok. But if these are actually meant to be disguises, it makes no sense because they wouldn't actually work, even from a distance.

I have no problem with sexy characters, but for god's sake, can we have it make sense? If it doesn't make sense in context for a woman to be wearing a merry widow, don't put her in one.

 

[Farther than stars]

Poor Agent 47, even on his Birthday, someone's trying to kill him.

Least he can grope the corpse afterwords.

I find that comment very disturbing and in poor taste, especially after I was glad to see Carter start an intellectul debate about the matter.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

I don't see why people hate the latest Hitman trailer. It is completely consistent with weirdness that had always surrounded Hitman world. The atmosphere is very Hitman-ish, nuns are as well. Just remember all the weird shit from previous Hitman games: meat king and those crazy people at the party, assassin's dressed as birds, albino assassin, evil guy in a wheelchair with a facial scar, insane costumes in "A Dance with The Devil" mission in Blood Money. The trailer is as Hitman as you can get.

 

[WindKnight]

They wore those outfits to titillate *you*.

If they only wanted to titillate, they wouldn't have had them brutally killed afterwards.

You've obviously not heard of the old schlock rule of have them get their tits out before killing them, so the audience doesn't see a sexy wimmins 'wasted'.

And thats without getting into misogynistic territory like Species II where the women are only there to get naked and die as horribly as possible.

 

[Bloodstain]

So it's misogynistic to kill women but mowing down legions of men in every game is ok? Fuck that person from IGN.

Good comic as usual.

Exactly my thoughts.

I actually always thought it was good that Hitman can mow down men and women alike.
Making no difference is the one step towards equal rights.

 

[WindKnight]

They wore those outfits to titillate *you*.

If they only wanted to titillate, they wouldn't have had them brutally killed afterwards.

You've obviously not heard of the old schlock rule of have them get their tits out before killing them, so the audience doesn't see a sexy wimmins 'wasted'.

And thats without getting into misogynistic territory like Species II where the women are only there to get naked and die as horribly as possible.

A sexy woman killed is already a sexy woman wasted.

And that's not getting into horror movies, the point of which is to shock the audience with the painful and gruesome deaths of all genders involved.

A lot of schlock stuff treats women as a pair of boobs to die once their use is over. take the infamous 'Death Wish' films, where the hero sets out to avenge the rape and murder of his wife/daughter/girlfriend of week, where the crime each time was shot in a manner to titillate the male audience as much as possible, including one of the victims giving us a lovely close up full-frontal nude pose before being fatally shot, simply so the lads could ogle her naked body before she died.

People get upset about this sort of thing because it is wrong, and it keeps happening when it shouldn't.

 

[antipunt]

This comic is so accurate lol. It was basically what I was thinking.

 

[itsthesheppy]

They wore those outfits to titillate *you*.

If they only wanted to titillate, they wouldn't have had them brutally killed afterwards.

They didn't *only* want to. they felt like that had to try, otherwise you wouldn't care.

 

[Farther than stars]

My biggest issue with the trailer is the damn clothes. Not because they're sexualize, per se, but because they make no goddamn sense.

I completely agree. In fact, I just made the exact same point about the shoes on the forum linked to the trailer. I mean, I'm OK with the fact that it's sacrilegious because, you know, they're the bad guys and what do they care? But I'm pretty sure that they do care about the effectiveness of their assassinations.
By the way, I do have one question and I wouldn't know this, because I'm not a woman; I get why high heels wouldn't work, but how exactly would fishnet stockings impede your fighting ability?

 

[Shiftygiant]

I.. kinda.. got why they dressed as nuns? I mean they are employed as by the agency and seeming as there up against a guy who shows little to no human emotion and dresses like a stock broker, It would make sense for stylish and over the top violence at this point. I do find it odd that the media exploded the way it did, and yes, Carter did a good job parodying it. I honestly can see killer strippers. They did it without controversy in Saints, can't see why they wouldn't be able to do it in here.

 

[Bluecho]

I was thinking about where the Hitman series seems to stand when it comes to violence. And I've come to this conclusion. While most series attempt to trivialize violence and murder as an everyday thing, the Hitman series is all about assassination. By the very nature of the profession portrayed, it's about, like they said, a ritualized act that requires planning, precision, and perfect timing to allow the player to not only off their target, but to do it without arousing suspicion. Because at the core, the highest ideal one can shoot for in those games is to get in, perform whatever needs to be done to get to the target, do the deed, and then escape without anyone being the wiser. Preferably if the death looks like an accident.

To illustrate the point, imagine a regular game of violence as a mass murderer. Unsubtle, gratuitous, and taking the sweetest enjoyment from every nameless victim they cut down. Now contrast with Hitman, which is more like a psychotic serial killer. This may not seem to be different, but with the latter, the act of murder is often ritualized, formulaic, and against single individuals. And the serial killer may not enjoy themselves while doing it. They do it because they feel they have to by some compulsion beyond even their understanding. And when it gets done, the best the serial killer can hope for is to get away with the crime to kill again. Or maybe, to be over and done with it so they can return to their regular lives before the need to kill rises again.

 

[MatsVS]

Depends on how much you like hentai.

All kidding aside, I just don't see it. Yes, Penny Arcade has made jokes about rape before. But all that says is that they don't see the subject as some sort of imaginary line they shouldn't cross. Is it tasteless or unfunny? I guess that depends on who's viewing it. But making a joke about something and actually supporting that thing are not two and the same.

Besides, the guys at Penny Arcade usually take a "live and let live" attitude to everything. As in "if you like it, have at it; if you don't, pass it by."

Had it been something as innocuous as 'live and let live' I wouldn't have minded as much. But they keep saying these idiot things, so it seems more and more like 'let me live and shut up'. It's incredibly easy to just pass it by if it doesn't affect you at all. AND, and this is the most frustrating part, they angle it as a censorship issue, which is just so incredibly disingenuous. It's not like anyone is suggesting legislation!

 

[kinapuffar]

Why can't it just be that 47 attacks the nuns because they open fire on him? Why must it be that he's attacking them because they're women?
Women are people too, just like if a man opens fire on you, you're completely entitled to kill him, the same goes for women. Equality goes both ways.
Enough of the femenazi victimization tactics please.

I have no problem with 47 killing women in this trailer. The problem I have with it is how it's not the Hitman I remember or want. It's not meticulous planning and executing. It's like splinter cell or any of these other pointless games I don't like.
I'm hoping they're just pandering to the ADHD generation. Because if the game is anything like this, I'm not buying it.

 

[Luciella]

Then, to cement this shock, they commit an act of violence. We don't know why they're doing it, but we can tell that they're no stranger to these sorts of acts. These are not innocent nuns with a secret leather fetish. These are trained and most likely hired killers. Their outfits are as much a weapon as the guns and rocket launchers they carry. Impractical, sure, but well-served for distraction, a distraction that would cost their victim their lives. Because these women aren't soldiers. They're not fighting on the front lines dressed like this, they're assassins.

NO NO NO
Wow, seriously? no trained female in her right mind will go to fight in uncomfortable clothing AND 15cm heels. As a woman i love martial arts, im going on my way to get my black belt in korean sword (haidong gumdo) and the first thing the sabonim asks everybody : (male and female) is to be bare feet. Hell even running sneakers are a bit uncomfortable to fight. Same goes for Taekwondo

I mean, i love 15cm heels, but heck they take a lot to control, i have twisted my ankle several times in lil street cracks. And you cant be stranding more than 1hr, because u can barely walk! let alone fight!

Those holy-hookers cant even be taken seriously...the second they show lingerie and heels. Its not to express the situation of holy-sin and 47 absolution (death) but simple and plain boy-fanservice.

its not even a distraction for men, if the skimpy outfit in an open fight takes you full 5 seconds more to make a move!
Skimpy outfit and assassination in a bedroom? excellent choice!
Skimpy outfit and open combat? Retardness.

I really dont care about the killing. Its fine.
But damn, if male gamers whine that girl (dumb) gamers say "im a girl and i play" you should give every girl a goddamn medal no matter if she is an att seeker or not; to simply have to make conscious efforts to ignore all the goddamn boy-fanservice. And try to have a good gaming
exp.

Edited some parts: after re reading ur post.

 

[WindKnight]

Why can't it just be that 47 attacks the nuns because they open fire on him? Why must it be that he's attacking them because they're women?
Women are people too, just like if a man opens fire on you, you're completely entitled to kill him, the same goes for women. Equality goes both ways.
Enough of the femenazi victimization tactics please.

I have no problem with 47 killing women in this trailer. The problem I have with it is how it's not the Hitman I remember or want. It's not meticulous planning and executing. It's like splinter cell or any of these other pointless games I don't like.
I'm hoping they're just pandering to the ADHD generation. Because if the game is anything like this, I'm not buying it.

Again, the problem is the women are SEXUALISED. Show me a sequences where agent 47 brutalises and kills guys wearing posing pouches and thongs, with oiled muscles and chiseled, handsome features.

 

[Reincarnatedwolfgod]

i will just quote what i said in thread of the trailer

why were they wearing those fetish outfits and dressed as nuns?
they gave no context for this
i see why there is a controversy. it's because they gave no context and people made up there own. i am not even sure it is possible to give a logical context to it

over all i don't see any controversy but this trailer left me confused me and thinking the creator of the trailer are just stupid or it was made for shock value

 

[Something Amyss]

Violence porn is already a thing. Sexualising and fetishising violence is already a thing. As Grey said, the trailer is dumb. It's more a symptom of the overall media rather than any actual advancement or endorsement of any sort. They basically went for boobies and violence because boobies and violence sell.

I don't think there's anything more sinister at work than "tits and violence sell, so let's have tits WITH violence!"

But hey, if Bayonetta can be considered feminist empowerment, I suppose someone could argue this, too.

 

[Susan Arendt]

My biggest issue with the trailer is the damn clothes. Not because they're sexualize, per se, but because they make no goddamn sense.

I completely agree. In fact, I just made the exact same point about the shoes on the forum linked to the trailer. I mean, I'm OK with the fact that it's sacrilegious because, you know, they're the bad guys and what do they care? But I'm pretty sure that they do care about the effectiveness of their assassinations.
By the way, I do have one question and I wouldn't know this, because I'm not a woman; I get why high heels wouldn't work, but how exactly would fishnet stockings impede your fighting ability?

For starters, they can get caught on things - your enemy could use them as a handhold. You're literally wearing nets, plenty of grab spots. Plus, there is simply no reason to wear them. There is no benefit. Eh don't provide warmth, or make you more slippery, or anything practical.

 

[TMM]

This is an AWESOME piece of exploitative action, something that the B-movie industry has been doing for ages (and has gotten very good at if I may add). All this holier than thou (see what I did there?) bullshit about 'sexualizing women' really... I'd like to hear the men complain about sexualized men stereotypes. I am just as incapable of living up to the hero warrior stereotype with a chest the size of a closet as most women are to living up to the thin/huge boobs ideal.

I for one do not want men looking like myself in a videogame with a lot of swords, guns or other implements more hazardous than a hairbrush, it wouldn't work! I for one would die in the first wave of the first zombie attack (lack of cardio man)

And it doesn't matter, really, because it's entertainment and make belief and almost everyone knows that.

And... be honest with yourself THAT was the problem? seriously, not the killing? Or was it maybe the nun costumes that really did it for you if you were so appalled? Are you maybe, just maybe, feeling the tinge of religious guilt about actually thinking it's kind of awesome before you realize that you shouldn't? God knows what you think! better stop thinking it!

I approve of this comic though, it is fine to point out that it is exploitative and silly because it is, and if you don't like such things then don't watch them. The art film industry didn't die because of exploitation flicks and the game industry won't die due to some exploitative games (I think we actually have too few of the balls to the wall crazy exploitative shit like this, I for one enjoy it)

It's all about a healthy mix of different types of games, I got quite moved playing journey something that his game probably won't do and that is fine, it doesn't try to. Maybe it can teach us a little about ourselves?