Hitting... Women

[somethingorother003]

Hitting a woman is considered bad because it is. Men have a significant advantage over women in the physical department, and until we're all nano-augmented cyborgs nothing will change that. If a woman hits a man, it's not as serious because an attack with an equivalent amount of effort put in by a man could cause a far greater injury.

Now I'm going to make a very slippery connection and somebody is going to take it out of context and completely miss the point.

If your cat scratches you, is that an appropriate response to punch it? No, it's a cat. If it came down to a fight, you'd win.

Yes, if a woman in savagely attacking a man, he has every right to fight back. But if your girlfriend slaps you in the face in retaliation for something, you don't get to slap her back.

Context is everything here.

 

[Adeptus Aspartem]

Why do these topics always go from "Is it acceptable to retaliate" to "A 7" body builder shouldnt upper-cut a 5" fragile flower and then pile-drive her into the table".

People are talkin' about a slap, not a full frontal assault because you get slapped.

My anwser: Don't do it - man or woman. It may feel right in the moment, but you'll be the loser later on. If you need to get your anger out kick a door or punch the wall (Don't break your fingers!) to feel better - it usually gets the point across too, but you're doing the correct thing.

Had to resort to this once, was one of the smarter decisions in my life. I'd feel terrible today if i would've retaliated.

 

[Guitarmasterx7]

Unless it's in a situation where she's going to keep coming at me and I need to defend myself I wouldn't hit a woman. Not really because I value women more than men, just because I'd probably get in legal trouble.

I mean there's a stigma that women are a weaker gender than men. I guess I adhere to that to some extent. Even with no consequences, I would never get physical a woman over anything verbal or to gain an advantage in a situation that I foresee inevitably escalating to physical contact like I would with a man, and I would definitely avoid instigating any type of situation with a woman that would lead to any kind of physical confrontation.

But in a hypothetical scenario where there are no legal consequences and it's left purely to my own morals, in a situation where a woman physically attacked me without being reasonably provoked, I would definitely retaliate. And if I'm being honest, not even one of these morally calculated "well if she slapped me as hard as she could and I can slap harder, I would slap her only as hard as she slapped me" retaliations either. I'd probably straight up throw a punch.

Is it fair? That's debatable but irrelevant. I don't feel any obligation to be fair with anyone who doesn't do me the same courtesy, and on top of that, if someone instigated a confrontation with me, I'd be angry. Being fair would make us even. I wouldn't want that person to come out even with me. I'd want that person to come out feeling like they made a fucking mistake. Especially if they did it with the smug expectation that there would be no retaliation or consequences for their actions.

 

[Browncoat86]

I would like to think I would never strike someone in anger, though it's probably a case of the old "everyone's got a plan until they get punched in the face" chestnut. When getting into fights or arguments, my father always taught me to just walk away, that little piece of advice has saved me a world of trouble. I can count on one had the number of times when I was involved in a altercation that got physical, with the more serious of the two not being my fault. (a guy in High School thought I was the guy that had slept with his girlfriend, so he took a swing at my head, overbalanced and fell down a flight of stairs.) The only time where I can see physically assaulting someone as a justifiable action is if my life were in danger.

 

[the December King]

Yes let's all talk about how it's right to hit women considering all the women hospitalized or killed for domestic violence. I'm sure they deserved it when they slapped a man across the face.

I need a drink.

Did the man in question deserve the slap, then? Maybe one shouldn't go around concluding arguments or verbal confrontations by slapping/physically assaulting the other party. Kicking the crap out of the slapper in retaliation is a terrible thing, to be sure, and unacceptable. But walking away from a slap can be very, very hard, if it is given as an argument-ender. The slapper should be reminded that the road of physical assault starts here, and should end there as well-and not necessarily with a counter-slap.

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What are you having? I'll swill some rum, in the meantime.

 

[loa]

Women don't need special treatment just for being women and hitting anyone is something you should not be doing regardless of gender.
The same goes for women too, they don't have a free pass to slap a man just because they're women especially since it's treated like the worst thing ever if the gender is reversed.

How about we treat all instances of violence as if it was a man doing it to a woman.
Something unacceptable.

 

[the December King]

Yes let's all talk about how it's right to hit women considering all the women hospitalized or killed for domestic violence. I'm sure they deserved it when they slapped a man across the face.

I need a drink.

Did the man in question deserve the slap, then? Maybe one shouldn't go around concluding arguments or verbal confrontations by slapping/physically assaulting the other party. Kicking the crap out of the slapper in retaliation is a terrible thing, to be sure, and unacceptable. But walking away from a slap can be very, very hard, if it is given as an argument-ender. The slapper should be reminded that the road of physical assault starts here, and should end there as well-and not necessarily with a counter-slap.

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What are you having? I'll swill some rum, in the meantime.

Sorry but are you saying that if you slap someone you deserve to be hospitalized and killed?
Can you maybe rethink that for a bit... and maybe rethink everything you've ever thought.

Wow... I don't think that's what I meant at all. You should calm down- When I said, it won't necessarily end with a counter slap, I meant you should talk it through, and not slap in the first place.

jeez, I guess I'm now wearing your drink, so I'll just mosey off down the bar before you slap me...

 

[Aramis Night]

Yes let's all talk about how it's right to hit women considering all the women hospitalized or killed for domestic violence. I'm sure they deserved it when they slapped a man across the face.

I need a drink.

Did the man in question deserve the slap, then? Maybe one shouldn't go around concluding arguments or verbal confrontations by slapping/physically assaulting the other party. Kicking the crap out of the slapper in retaliation is a terrible thing, to be sure, and unacceptable. But walking away from a slap can be very, very hard, if it is given as an argument-ender. The slapper should be reminded that the road of physical assault starts here, and should end there as well-and not necessarily with a counter-slap.

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What are you having? I'll swill some rum, in the meantime.

Sorry but are you saying that if you slap someone you deserve to be hospitalized and killed?
Can you maybe rethink that for a bit... and maybe rethink everything you've ever thought.

Wow... I don't think that's what I meant at all. You should calm down- When I said, it won't necessarily end with a counter slap, I meant you should talk it through, and not slap in the first place.

jeez, I guess I'm now wearing your drink, so I'll just mosey off down the bar before you slap me...

Oh c'mon now. Didn't you realize that advocating for a non-violent solution in the face of female violence is akin to advocating for her death?

Don't worry Strawman Mcfallacy, It's obvious your looking for an opposing view to fight and get your righteousness on. I'll be your ...strawman. I would say that a woman who initiates violence should expect to receive violence in kind. I have the odd notion that equality extends to women. If I ran around slapping things that offended me, I would have 2 bloody stumps starting at the shoulder after the first day. But more likely I would expect to eventually get hospitalized, possibly killed. It's a realistic expectation. But I recognize cause and consequence enough to know that if I open the door of physical violence by slapping people, there will be violent physical repercussions. And I would rightfully deserve to get beaten to death for it. I don't care how much you want to minimize the woman's role in that situation. A situation that wouldn't exist in the first place if the slap had never happened. So how about we start with no slapping. Seems like a pretty modest proposal, no?

 

[MeChaNiZ3D]

I can't think of a good reason not to if you are of the disposition to hit people who hit you (like myself). On average men are physically stronger than women, but you don't administer the hardest slap you can all the time. You can exercise a bit of restraint.

Basically there's no difference between hitting a woman or a man as far as morals are concerned. Whether to hit or not is another matter.

 

[Dimitriov]

Recently I went to see The Wolf of Wall Street. Easily one of the most hilarious movies I've seen in a long time. I was completely engrossed in the movie until one specific point. It was the scene where Nyomi tells Jordan that she is divorcing him and plans to take the kids. Jordan then reacts as we expect him to and the couple begins to argue. But then Nyomi slaps Jordan. Jordan in turn slaps her and entire audience did a deep *inhale. Immediately, in my mind, I understood what people were bothered by, but I could not comprehend the why. I've been raised from two schools of thought. The first, from my grandmother who gave me explicit directions that if anyone ever messed with me I was allowed to knock them out. The second is from my step-mother who told me I'm allowed to do the same thing, as in the first school, but not with women. I asked her, "why?" She responded "Because I said so". Back then I simply had to accept that answer, but I'm older now.

Now before you go posting this is NOT a debate about whether it is right or wrong to hit women. I don't care about your opinions in that regard since I already know how I feel about the issue. What I'm looking for, explicity might I add, is a reason not to do it. Those of you who deem it wrong please tell me why. I want to know the logic behind this train of thought. Don't simply tell me "Because." Don't tell me about how you personally don't do it. Or how it irks you the wrong way. I'm looking for a logical argument. (And no, just because I wish to hear the reasons behind the second school of thought doesn't mean there is something inherently wrong with the first school.) One thing though, whatever your reason may be, if it does not follow the above requirements or is in any way demeaning to women I will not accept it.

Here's a very reasonable, true and logical reason not to hit a woman if you are a man. If you do so there is a very good chance that another man (or even a group of men) is going to come and beat the shit out of you. Seems like a pretty good reason not to.

Why? Because of cultural conditioning, if you like, but the fact remains.

 

[captainballsack]

If someone escalates an argument by slapping you, you can either exercise restraint or slap them back, it's your choice. If they put their full force behind the slap, you should feel free to do the same. Other than that, I can't think of a situation in which I'd hit someone. Words are usually more fun.

That's about as logical as I can make it, given that hitting someone is not a logical course of action to decide upon in a disagreement.

I disagree, if an eye for an eye was how all ought to live, then we'd be living in a blind world.

If a slap to the face is something you deem morally wrong, how does it make any sense to slap someone for slapping you? By slapping someone for slapping you, you are saying that someone slapping you is something you morally object to. In slapping someone in retaliation to that just shows a complete lack of empathy and an over abundance of narcissism. Are you above your own morality? Or is your sense of morality just an expectation on how others ought to live but not yourself?

It's not justified when they do it first, but it's justified when you do it second?

To me, it's not justified when either of you do it, so if someone slaps me, I reject them in a non-physical way because that is how I believe one ought to deal with a situation such as that. By returning a slap, you're giving them justification.

Obviously, if it is in self-defense, that is a different matter, but there is a very determinable difference between self-defense and retaliation though.

My answer: it's not justified to hit anyone, man or woman, unless in self-defense. If in self-defense, it isn't a matter of ethics, but a matter of survival.

 

[Yan007]

Hitting someone who is weaker than you out of anger is disgusting. It isn't self defense and it isn't justifiable. It doesn't matter if it's a man or a woman. If someone is weaker than you, and you have the potential to cause greater harm by hitting them than they you, to hit them is pathetic and wrong. They were wrong to hit you in the first place, and it makes them a bad person. But by retaliating you are automatically worse.

On the other hand, one could argue that hitting someone stronger than you is a demonstration of stupidity, and the pain you'll get back is just retribution.

You don't often see weak men attacking stronger men like women do simply because most women expect to get a free pass or at least assistance if things don't go their way. If a woman slaps me, I'll knock her out.

Edit: The reason why it is much more rare for men to hit women than the other way around is simply because laws and society will have a woman's back and you'll be guilty until proven innocent (and you'll still be guilty anyways).

 

[manic_depressive13]

On the other hand, one could argue that hitting someone stronger than you is a demonstration of stupidity, and the pain you'll get back is just retribution.

Sure they could. They could dress it up and rationalise it however they like. I think I made my position perfectly clear. Hitting someone who is weaker than you and doesn't pose a threat is disgusting and pathetic. I wouldn't do it. I would lose all respect for anyone who did.

Although in my experience it's true that men don't tend to attack people stronger than them. Men seem to much prefer beating on weaker victims.

 

[Chaos Isaac]

Honestly, the only rule I have to hitting a woman is really, 'don't do it as quickly as you would a guy'. Eh, well it's a bit more complicated.

It's a little different, like trading slaps is fine, whatever, it's not that bad. Though, if she swings a fist at you, well, you might as well return with your own special shoryuken. Kinda like that guy a while back who slugged a chick who attacked him. Doing that is fair play. If she tries to go below the waist, gloves off, you hit her like a guy.

Primarily, it's do not be the aggressor no matter what, but if attacked defend yourself but with more restraint to a female then a male as conditions allow (No weapons/below the belt shots, etc.). As a guy, i'm more willing to swing at another male first when I can sense it's coming, but a woman I can typically restrain, or at least over power.

Though, in the end i'd rather talk my way out of it. Violence is a ineffective, archaic style of problem solving that we should be mostly past by now.

 

[Yan007]

On the other hand, one could argue that hitting someone stronger than you is a demonstration of stupidity, and the pain you'll get back is just retribution.

Sure they could. They could dress it up and rationalise it however they like. I think I made my position perfectly clear. Hitting someone who is weaker than you and doesn't pose a threat is disgusting and pathetic. I wouldn't do it. I would lose all respect for anyone who did.

Although in my experience it's true that men don't tend to attack people stronger than them. Men seem to much prefer beating on weaker victims.

And I'll say it again: hitting someone who is stronger than you is incredibly stupid. Men innately know this. Women don't anymore. Well, I'm an equal opportunity ass kicker and I hit the gym 5 days a week. If a girl wants to insult me that's fine, but the moment she hits me I'll make sure she won't do it again.

Men don't simply beat weaker victims because they are weaker. Anything that is not a man will most likely be a woman (duh) and be weaker. On the other hand, males are the gender most likely to be assaulted, to die from violence and more male than female are molested/raped every single year.

Also, I don't mind you personally losing respect for me as long as you don't hit me, because then you'd also be losing a few teeth.

 

[Aramis Night]

Yes let's all talk about how it's right to hit women considering all the women hospitalized or killed for domestic violence. I'm sure they deserved it when they slapped a man across the face.

I need a drink.

Did the man in question deserve the slap, then? Maybe one shouldn't go around concluding arguments or verbal confrontations by slapping/physically assaulting the other party. Kicking the crap out of the slapper in retaliation is a terrible thing, to be sure, and unacceptable. But walking away from a slap can be very, very hard, if it is given as an argument-ender. The slapper should be reminded that the road of physical assault starts here, and should end there as well-and not necessarily with a counter-slap.

...

What are you having? I'll swill some rum, in the meantime.

Sorry but are you saying that if you slap someone you deserve to be hospitalized and killed?
Can you maybe rethink that for a bit... and maybe rethink everything you've ever thought.

Wow... I don't think that's what I meant at all. You should calm down- When I said, it won't necessarily end with a counter slap, I meant you should talk it through, and not slap in the first place.

jeez, I guess I'm now wearing your drink, so I'll just mosey off down the bar before you slap me...

Oh c'mon now. Didn't you realize that advocating for a non-violent solution in the face of female violence is akin to advocating for her death?

Don't worry Strawman Mcfallacy, It's obvious your looking for an opposing view to fight and get your righteousness on. I'll be your ...strawman. I would say that a woman who initiates violence should expect to receive violence in kind. I have the odd notion that equality extends to women. If I ran around slapping things that offended me, I would have 2 bloody stumps starting at the shoulder after the first day. But more likely I would expect to eventually get hospitalized, possibly killed. It's a realistic expectation. But I recognize cause and consequence enough to know that if I open the door of physical violence by slapping people, there will be violent physical repercussions. And I would rightfully deserve to get beaten to death for it. I don't care how much you want to minimize the woman's role in that situation. A situation that wouldn't exist in the first place if the slap had never happened. So how about we start with no slapping. Seems like a pretty modest proposal, no?

Yes, let's all go around nodding our heads in agreement that there's probably a portion of hospitalizations and deaths that were deserved. This is a helpful viewpoint and discussion for us to have. Maybe we should have this talk when severe damage is on both sides of the genders and not use terms like 'equality' with such disregard to the world around us.
Let's go find some good loopholes for when it's okay to hit women, like there's some sort of fucking shortage of women being hit by men in the world.
And trust me, those men all fucking justified in some way, just like everyone here seems to be doing.
Good hustle people.

Wow, you live up to your name. I just love how you can so willingly justify one group of people assaulting another as though its just a given entitlement women deserve to have with no repercussions. And then try to call men out for daring to retaliate in kind.

But hey, ill keep up my end of this as i promised you earlier. Yes, I'm sure there are women who have been hospitalized after initiating physical violence who deserved it. There are men who have also been killed and hospitalized for the same thing and they deserved it as well. That is what equality is. It is judging on the action's of the person and acting accordingly, not basing your actions on what the person is. I'm sorry that someone at some point convinced you that equality = privilege based on what you are, but it just isn't the case. I do not see it as my privilege to assault other people. Yet your advocating that women should be able to do just that. If men can't, women can't. That is equality.

 

[ick99]

What's this? A forum post on the question of hitting women? Let me just put my "Critical, Yet Not Self Aware" (CYNSW) Fedora on. Ah, here we go.
So, I'm going to wade through the 3 pages of comments that make me feel uncomfortable about the kinds of people who share my hobbies (It's ok, I feel nervous around, and threatened by women who fit into a gender-normative spectrum reinforced by society's ideals also, it's ok Bro) and go onto the movie
On The Wolf of Wallstreet, basically being a movie means that it's going to want to going into common norms so then its easy to make people feel all the emotions. Also being a movie about awful people, they're going to show something like, "he does the drugs not yet fully approved of by a majority" or "He's a lying meanie" and "He hits pretty women" things that the majority of people are going to feel outraged about, because the movie wants to make a statement about the financial industry, it's going to want to go into easy emotions. Think about a whole lot of movies that have women (pretty women of course) as victims or hostages, in movies like Batman: The Dark Knight, where the detective lady is going to be killed and has a deep emotional connection with Bruce Wayne, or Birth of a Nation, where the major plot seems to be, "Help! The black men are going to attack that white woman!" - and thats just it, this innate desire to protect women, or 'your woman' goes deep in society's history in the roles of women. But woman from WOWS who I forget her name, she's pretty capable and somewhat complicit in the whole scam, so maybe I'm off. But basically its a masculine society that is based off a history where a woman only had the right to be protected.
So that is why I think people might be shocked.

Wait, I think I just accidentally made the argument that not punching women is regressive to creating a fully equal society outside the expectations and confines of the patriarchy. GET THIS FEDORA OFF ME!!!

 

[Kyber]

I've never quite cared who I hit, if they are the aggressor, I give 'em what for. Of course, the force of the blow depends on their ability to fight back, and the context situation.

 

[San Martin]

And I'll say it again: hitting someone who is stronger than you is incredibly stupid. Men innately know this. Women don't anymore. Well, I'm an equal opportunity ass kicker and I hit the gym 5 days a week. If a girl wants to insult me that's fine, but the moment she hits me I'll make sure she won't do it again.

That´s the lamest, pettiest macho posturing I´ve read in a long while. Congratulations, equal opportunity small-person-ass-kicker.

OT: Whilst my cultural upbringing and unwillingness to resort to violence would mean I´d probably find it impossible to force myself to strike a woman, in theory there´d be nothing wrong with it, given the appropriate circumstances.

 

[Barbas]

(Snip).

Actually, there would be one person left on Earth with one eye. Haha!

When it comes down to it, I think I would react with no more than a confused look if someone slapped me. I'd have a great deal of difficulty taking them seriously after that point. I do not, however, judge people for slapping back with enough force to stagger the person who hit them first so they think twice about resorting to physical attacks in the first place. I would personally prefer to take a moment to study the person's face first and wait for them to speak, to see if there is regret or an apology imminent. Humans make mistakes and slapping someone in the face is a bad one.