Holy Shit

[Soviet Heavy]

Since this isn't a widespread disaster flick, I expect a lot of the movie to occur in New York, and that they showed it specifically for the reason that everybody knows Statue of Liberty = New York. Its an easy way to setup the location of the film in a trailer, just like how the trailers to many films that take place in other countries often make note of architecture specific to that region of the world in the trailer. Its New York because its the biggest and most populous American city, as well as having the strongest ties of any american city to the eastern hemisphere - it'd be stupid to use any other city for what they're aiming to be the summer blockbuster of the year.

I thought that this movie was supposed to be set in San Francisco. Would make more sense considering, you know, that's where the Pacific Ocean is. But now we see the Statue of Liberty again. Perhaps it's a widespread kaiju attack on both seaboards.

 

[Private Custard]

HOWEVER, if you want to get all technical and whatnot, sure. I can do that.

Just not as well as you think!!

Point #1 : Aircraft (particularly military fast jets) aren't always in level flight.

Point #2 : Simply turning hard can scrub off an enormous amount of speed. Flick through to 4m50s in the following video. 6g turn for six seconds, 100+ knots lost.

Spoiler

Start at a slower speed, expecting to have the thrust to accelerate out of it, and you'll be screwed when you don't......and you'll literally be falling from the sky. If the dogfight in question is tight, they'll all be in the danger zone (sorry, couldn't avoid the reference!).

Point 3 : Late ejections. You'd be amazed by how many pilots wait until the last seconds to bail. The 'I can save this' mindset!

By now, you've probably seen the Harrier pilot ejecting, even though he's already crashed and is sliding down the runway!

EDIT : Before I forget......the killer punch!


Sorry!

 

[Soviet Heavy]

Perhaps it's a widespread kaiju attack on both seaboards.

Well like I've said elsewhere in the thread, I have seen what I'm sure is an entirely separate monster, plus other things that lead me to believe that there's two others, and thats not counting the clearly biological "thing" at 1:27, so it'd make sense if they're spreading out and attacking different cities. As it was said, "this town ain't big enough for the both of us", and if they're attacking the city in search of food sources (lots of people = lots of food), then it'd make further sense.

According to the reports from Comic Con last year, there are at least two other Kaiju apart from Big G in the film. One of them is going by the name MUTO, so far, and it or the other one is apparently a large, centipede like creature.

 

[Ratty]

Ok, you win, Godzilla is hereby provably a film worthy to be studied by the academics for years.

You may be being sarcastic. But it is. Popular "event" media that captures some part of the popular subconscious ("the popular zeitgeist" if you want to be pretentious) almost always are.

I mean, sitting around examining what a creator meant with "true art" is fine and all, but ultimately it's just mental masturbation. It doesn't tell us anything but the thoughts/opinion of a particular artist(s) and the academics studying it.

On the other hand. Something that appeals to the mass imagination can reveal what millions of people are thinking about during a particular period in time.

For example, just look at all the racial undertones (and overtones) in the original "Planet of the Apes" movies. Those really struck a chord with audiences[footnote]To the point that there were 5 movies, short-lived live action and cartoon shows, and more merchandise than you can shake a stick at.[/footnote] and were made during the height of the civil rights movement. The first two movies in that series also played on the Cold War's omnipresent fear of total nuclear annihilation as well. And these were ostensibly just "dumb popcorn movies with impressive special effects" for the masses.

I'm sorry I bothered you with my standards and actually rate movies based not on if they have big things but if they actually are well made.

But you can't know if the film is made well or not just from the trailer.

 

[The Madman]

Just not as well as you think!!

OH NO YOU DIDUNT!!!
*headshake*

Should have saved that killer blow of yours. You got cocky kid, and it's gonna make ya suffer. See, the funny thing about that Gripen crashing video you linked is that it did so during an air show. An air show in which the pilot stalled during a low speed maneuver.

Here's a report on the crash in that video.

And as a wise, wise man once said:

Thus why a plane depicted as suddenly falling straight down is not only inaccurate but impossible short of the planes having been pulling some upwards flight stunt and having stalled, which you'll find happens annoyingly often in air shows and looney tunes.

OH SNAP SON!

While your points 1 2 and 3 are correct, you're ignoring the circumstances of the situation. Those planes in the movie aren't showing off for a crowd by pulling feats of aerobatics, they're presumably off to fight Godzilla or some other similar monster. They're going fast.

To reflect that I believe this is a more appropriate video:


Not as fancy since there's no video of the crash in question, but you'll note how when he was going fast and he had to eject, the plane was still going fast. Fast enough it nearly killed him.

Sorry!

 

[dyre]

Nothing like an animated debate on the correct manner in which an F-35 should fall from the sky...

 

[Private Custard]

snip

I didn't post the Gripen video to show anything to do with computer failure. I posted it to show that it's totally possible for an aircraft to fall straight down from the sky, rather than travel three counties away before hitting the deck.

Sure, for an air to air engagement BVR, aircraft will be really shifting. BVR is like a massive 3D game of chess. But this is Hollywood, and they think BVR engagements are boring. To be fair, they have a point, it wouldn't be much of a spectacle on the big screen. And that's where all that fancy airshow agility comes into play......agility that these aircraft are designed with for a good reason, they might actually need it one day. I regularly see F-15s in the skies over Lincolnshire, flying in from various directions, slowing right down and having a mock dogfight in extremely close quarters. They do actually train for it! Which is why I don't think it's that far-fetched to say that aircraft dropping out of the sky is totally possible, especially if they're operating at those limits.

There are many types of air to air combat. You're just not thinking Hollywood!

EDIT: I'd like to add, that it's nice to chat to someone else that actually reads crash reports!

 

[Riverwolf]

These trailers indicate to me that, after 60 years, someone FINALLY GOT IT RIGHT!!! The first Godzilla movie (that is to say, the Japanese version) is not a B-monster movie at all, but a genuine A-grade movie about the human element in a large-scale disaster, and the perfect allegory for nuclear destruction from the only country that's faced it first-hand. The movie is dark, taken very seriously, and features truly heart-wrenching moments. But within a year, all that was forgotten with a silly sequel, and hasn't been successfully remembered since. (Though I've heard that the glut of Japanese monster vs. films during the 60s, 70s, and 80s could be taken as kind of an allegory for the Cold War, since Japan was this tiny, insignificant country geographically situated between two giants that might destroy it in their fight.)

I have very high hopes for this film, and really hope they don't screw it up. (Then again, this is Hollywood; they're known for screwing these things up.)

And I REALLY hope they don't try to do the whole "it was the French bomb tests that created Godzilla, not America's!" thing from the 1999 film. ('Specially considering the footage used in the opening of that film depicting the so-called "French nuclear tests" was footage of not only an American test, but of Bikini Atoll the largest American bomb ever detonated. This new film had BETTER not do that.)

 

[The Madman]

Nothing like an animated debate on the correct manner in which an F-35 should fall from the sky...

AKA the best kind of debate!

There are many types of air to air combat. You're just not thinking Hollywood!

True enough. Like I said earlier I'm only enjoying myself poking fun here, I didn't actually expect to get into a debate on how fighters crash. You and I both know it seems that in reality 'dogfighting' doesn't even really happen anymore as anything other than air exercises and air show performances, in a modern air engagement it's unlikely both participants will even see each other at all as anything other than a blip on the proverbial radar before it's over. But that unfortunately also tends to make for poor movie fodder.

The days of the Flying Circus are over.

So to that end I'm just going to assume there's a monster in the movie we haven't seen and that those airplane we see in the video were actually just dropped from the creatures giant monstrous claws after it deftly caught them midair and disabled them with some sort of slime that oozed from its porous skin.

Badass! That thought just redeemed Godzilla in my eyes. 10/10, would see again!

 

[Vivi22]

Holy fuck that trailer was terrible, it basically went like this:

Horrible actor: Serious stuff!
BWAAAAAUUUHMMMMM!
Horrible Actor: I'm serious, serious stuff!
BWAAAAAAUUUHHHMMMMMM!
Horrible actor number 2: I am bad guy because I am denial!
Horrible actor: I'm hyping up stuff!
BWAAAAAUUHHMMMMMM!
Horrible actor: I need to hype stuff up for the trailer! This is serious guys!
BWAAAAAAAUUUUHHHHMMMMMMM!
BWAAAAAAUUUHMMMMMMMMMMMM!
Horrible actor: Most hype more so the fanboys get excited!
*shot of tons of special effects*
Horrible actor: MOAR CLICHÉ HYPE WORDS!
Inception asian guy: Background history
Female character: More backgroundssss!
Both: COMBINED BACKGROUNDHISTORY/HYPE! PHWOOOARRRR!
*Meanwhile the annoying score from the LSD-bit from 2001: A Space odessey if playing*
Horrible actor: THERE'S NOT ENOUGH HYPE!
Some people: Hype! Hype! Hype! Hype!
BHHAWWWWUUUUHHMMMMMM!
*HUGE SUDDEN EXPLOSION!*
*Trademark Godzilla roar for maximum hype!*

Did... did you just call Bryan Cranston a horrible actor?

 

[Happiness Assassin]

A few things I noticed:

It looks like most of the action will be located in and around the west coast, as the trailers indicate that San Francisco gets case of the Kaiju pretty bad. If I were to guess, Godzilla would first make landfall in Los Angeles, fucks shit up and heads north. Military gets scared, unleashes a giant monster of their own, can't control it, but it goes to fight Godzilla anyway. Though I imagine it will show Godzilla's path of destruction elsewhere. btw, isn't that the Las Vegas version of the Statue of Liberty? I'm pretty sure it is.

At 1:32, holy shit... that's Rodan! That is clearly a giant pterodactyl. Good to see we will get some true monster battles here.

At 2:07, what exactly is that? It looks like a monster claw, could be Rodan's. Does anyone with more knowledge one old monsters have any idea?

Also, good to see Cranston in this. Everything could use more Heisenberg.

 

[Riverwolf]

I'm seriously going to dare you to come up with a reason why this movie looks good other than "It's godzilla" or "it's a huge monster that destroys cities" that doesn't make you look like someone who enjoys Transformer or the fast and the furiious. Seriously, try.

Managed to do so without even knowing you had made this dare. Somehow, I doubt it will be satisfying (though for the record, I don't enjoy Transformers or Fast and Furious films).

 

[Private Custard]

The days of the Flying Circus are over.

Tell that to the Shuttleworth Collection. They still do barnstorming.....and it's bloody brilliant to see!!


As for the movie, seeing as it's about time I say something about that too, I'm actually really looking forward to it.

Sure it's Godzilla. It'll be big, flashy, loud, and utterly brainless. But I don't think the world of cinema would be any richer if we were restricted to films by Akira Kurosawa, Terence Malick, Oliver Stone, Takeshi Kitano, David Fincher etc etc...

We need some stupid once in a while......as long as it's stupid of the highest quality!

 

[crazygameguy4ever]

Hm.. could be good.. hard to say.. I actually liked the 1998 US Godzilla movie and various japanese ones from past.. i'm willing to at least give this one a chance and see if it's any good.

 

[freaper]

Even more excited than I had been. I'm so there when this hits theaters.

I'm seriously going to dare you to come up with a reason why this movie looks good other than "It's godzilla" or "it's a huge monster that destroys cities" that doesn't make you look like someone who enjoys Transformer or the fast and the furiious. Seriously, try.

Challenge accepted.

As is hinted in the trailer, the monster here represents both the uncontrollable and worst parts of nature and human nature. Godzilla is an unknowable alien entity in a similar vein to a Lovecraftian monstrosity, but he is also us. Or rather, he's a result of our actions.

In this way Godzilla can be seen as the ultimate metaphor for man-made environmental disasters. Such as massive, ecosystem-shifting extinctions from overhunting or pollution. And the disastrous extreme weather patterns and rising sea levels we're seeing as a result of rapid global warming. Which has been accelerated by man-made greenhouse gases. And of course pollution and radioactivity in general.

So the monster allows us to put a face on our worst fears. That the planet is out to kill us, and it's really all our fault.

Also, Bryan Cranston is cute.

Plus, Godzilla could be seen as a metaphor for WW2; something the Japanese inflicted on the States, but which wasn't entirely under their control.

 

[ItouKaiji]

Bryan Cranston was hilarious in that trailer. Every single word out of his was so overwrought I was just giggling by the end. I just imagine that's how he talks every day like "I wanted ICE CREAM." With his voice cracking as he shouts ice cream.

The rest of the trailer was pretty meh and doesn't tell me much about the movie so the only thing I know so far is Bryan Cranston is going to be chewing the fuck out of the scenery which isn't quite enough to get me on board. Especially because the daylight CG of Godzilla coming up from the ocean looked like crap hopefully they'll fix that before the actual movie releases.

Edit: Actually this could be a hilarious movie if they let Cranston chew more scenery than any of the monsters.

 

[dyre]

Nothing like an animated debate on the correct manner in which an F-35 should fall from the sky...

Indeed. In fact, I'm gonna start ignoring it simply because if the manner they fall out of the sky in the movie is incongruent with reality, which is something I'd only know about from reading this stuff, then it'll bug me for the entirety of the film.

*nods wisely*

Some things are better left unknown...

 

[HardkorSB]

I had a feeling this would be about Godzilla. Something made it inevitable.

I thought it was a thread about divine feces.

 

[SonOfVoorhees]

Dont like the new trailer. How can USA hide a creature thats destroying cities? Just retarded. Still want to watch the movie as i love Godzilla.

 

[Riverwolf]

Nothing like an animated debate on the correct manner in which an F-35 should fall from the sky...

Indeed. In fact, I'm gonna start ignoring it simply because if the manner they fall out of the sky in the movie is incongruent with reality, which is something I'd only know about from reading this stuff, then it'll bug me for the entirety of the film.

*nods wisely*

Some things are better left unknown...

Such as I have no idea who this "Bryan Cranston" is, or any of the faces I saw. I just saw people. Probably better that way, at least for me.

...though come to think of it, there was a pretty strong focus on the military, which I've never liked in films; I'd much prefer it if the main characters were just every day people with the military in the background.