Holy Shit

[dyre]

This is pretty hilarious, by the way, how people (not directed at you, but some other people, to not name names) react to someone going against the stream of "huge things blowing up is badass = good movie", I wouldn't have such a problem with it if other people actually didn't go out of their way to complain about how cinema is being dumbed down to then go to watch Godzilla movies next.

Added an important word to your post that perhaps highlights the issue with your line of reasoning.

I was going to just ignore your posts since it seems like you're just having a bad day, but I just thought I'd point out that it may have been the tone of your initial post that put people off. Go ahead and reread it...it should be pretty clear that insinuating that everyone who likes the movie is a fanboy while going on a tirade on how TERRIBLE TERRIBLE TERRIBLE the film/trailer is and then daring others to prove you wrong (how edgy) is, well, mean-spirited at best.

 

[Vigormortis]

...cynically...

The irony of your use of this word is almost palpable.

 

[Riverwolf]

And please, Godzilla has never been anything more than a big monster smashing things.

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Did you ever watch the first one? Or any Godzilla film since then?

sure the first movie kinda had Godzilla as some kind of weird analogy to the atom bomb over Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but let me tell, I seriously doubt that's why people actually watch godzilla, they jsut want to see a a huge monster fuck stuff up.

There's a concept called "allegory" that you may need to familiarize yourself with, more specifically why people use allegory.

This is pretty hilarious, by the way, how people (not directed at you, but some other people, to not name names) react to someone going against the stream of "huge things blowing up is badass = good movie", I wouldn't have such a problem with it if people actually didn't go out of their way to complain about how cinema is being dumbed down to then go to watch Godzilla movies next.

I can already seen plenty of Hurricane Katrina allegory in the trailer. The military force of America, despite being the strongest martial force in the history of the world, couldn't handle the disaster because much of our scientific development has centered around killing other human beings, and when a civilization with those fruits of that scientific development encounter a force outside of its focus, ie nature (not even necessarily natural disasters, but things like disease as well), the civilization gets their butt whupped, and generally only succeed due to this force only being temporary.

And there we go. A condemnation of the US government for applying scientific research towards martial capabilities instead of things like infrastructure or greater application of biological sciences. And I got that from the movie trailer. Granted, it may not continue that way in the film, but just off the trailers, I'm assuming that the humans in question are going to, at some point, be investing into the sciences for a solution to the problem of giant monsters being in their base killing their doods.

I certainly hope that happens.

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After all, that is exactly how Godzilla is defeated in the first film, though not without immense sacrifice, in that case killing all life in the Tokyo Bay (and the lead scientist in charge of the device killing himself to prevent the technology from ever being used again).

And seriously it's intelectually dishonest to say the appeal of Godzilla has ever been anything but a giant monster smashing things, you can enjoy that if you want, sure, I won't look down on you, but don't pretend it's anything but that.

The first movie isn't. All Godzilla movies since then, yes, that's the only reason to watch them. But in the first movie, stuff doesn't get destroyed until after an hour into the film, and even then, the entire scene is quite brief. I watch the later films to watch giant monsters beat each other up and destroy buildings, but when I watch the first one, it's because I'm after something far more profound than that. (Plus, it's the only one where Godzilla looks and feels huge, largely because he has a total of about five minutes of screen time, and it's usually in the dark with cameras angled up... and I'm seriously disappointed this new film doesn't use the original movie's deep, rumbling roar that sends some pretty good chills down my spine.)

I'm not saying the original film is on the same level as, say, Grave of the Fireflies (which I haven't seen and am, frankly, terrified to), but it is a legit film with real depth and good characters; IMO, it comes pretty close to Terminator 2 as far as anti-nuclear-war movies go. The trailer to this film seems to indicate that someone finally got that, though there is definitely a good chance that this new film will be nothing more than giant monsters fighting and smashing things (after all, one general rule I've discovered with films these days is: good trailer = bad movie; bad trailer = good movie).

BTW, when I refer to the original Godzilla film, I'm referring specifically to the Japanese version, not that terrible American version with Raymond Burr, which pretty much is a bad b-monster flick,

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the only hint of something more being the choir of students near the end.

Though, if it helps, I'm not mad that you chose to voice your opinion which contradicts the majority opinion here. It certainly helped me realize that the emphasis on the military in these trailers is not a good sign when it comes to my tastes.

 

[debtcollector]

This is honestly pretty hilarious, call one trailer out for being terrible, and five people jump on your throat. This is kinda what happens when you (rightfully) call out Joss Whedon, Batman, the Avengers, Marvel movies, Nintendo, 8-bit games from the 80's, Dark Souls around here, people don't seem to accept those things being bad in their worldview. I didn't jump on anyone who liked the trailer, if you actually noticed that, but apparantly not.

I really had no idea people actually for this upset just because something they liked was critisized, but holy hell did I just step on a hornet's nest. This community is just becoming a parody of itself, right now. It's just a fucking movie guys, it's not even that, it's a trailer, and you still get your Jimmies rustled? Come on, that's just silly and I hope you know it.

Alright, Imma try to reply as levelly as possible here, so don't get your own jimmies in a twist, here.

Reread your original post:

This, no kidding, looks like an asylum movie with decent special effects. All of you assholes who complain about cinema being dumbed down, you finally have your one example.

I mean, this movie looks like the dumbest piece of shit that's cynically trying to cash in on nostalgia for movies that were fucking terrible to begin with.

I'm seriously going to dare you to come up with a reason why this movie looks good other than "It's godzilla" or "it's a huge monster that destroys cities" that doesn't make you look like someone who enjoys Transformer or the fast and the furiious. Seriously, try.

Okay, so you're calling people assholes, straight up attacking what the OP posted, and being incredibly confrontational. This is considered bad forum etiquette, and doesn't exactly give anyone any reason to treat you with respect. So, for starters, if you have an opinion you want to share with people, maybe don't be that aggressive about it. Also, when people (rightfully) get up in your face about your rude attitude, maybe don't post a bunch of image macros mocking everyone. It really cements you as an unlikable prick in the eyes of....well, everyone, really.

So, let me sum up: you post inflammatory comments on a post that really isn't trying to offend anyone, then mock and insult everyone who challenges you. Couple that with a very self-righteous attitude:

I'm sorry I bothered you with my standards and actually rate movies based not on if they have big things but if they actually are well made.

and maybe you'll begin to see why people may be responding negatively to your attitude here.

So please. Calm down. You're not impressing anyone with how edgy and how sophisticated you are.

 

[Stabinbac]

I completely understand why SecretNegative is baffled that people think this looks good. Just the same generic disaster movie.

Looks like a cross between two Emmerich films. Godzilla and The Day After Tomorrow.

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

Seriously, why does every single movie trailer have to have the "BWAAAAAUUHHMMMMMM!" in it, have we no other ways to create tension?

We do but Inception made the BWAAAAAAUUHHMMMMM popular for soundtracks somehow and now lots of things are doing it.

Now I loved Inception's original soundtrack but why did they only take that from it? Now its distorted. Great. -.-

OT: The thing about trailers is that they are often deliberately misleading. Clearly this will be about a love triangle and focus on people we don't care about while the monster rampages offscreen!

I'm joking of course. We need to wait until it comes out to actually see just how much fun they can make us have with a monster rampaging. I have high hopes but I'm not going to be surprised if it turns out terrible either.

They are playing the hype card and, cynical as I was when I pressed play, it worked. Monster movies are great fun if done right.

Do it right.

Please.

 

[michael87cn]

I don't need to watch the trailer to know this will be a bad story. I only enjoy movies with good stories. Remakes have like a 99.9% ratio of being bad. (if you have to copy someone elses idea, you probably can't come up with your own).

It's sad that this is what movies, and even video games are becoming. Visual and audio popcorn. Snacks.

Also the inception noise is much like the piano clang. I freaking hate that thing, it sometimes pops up in freaking comedies for petes sake.

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

It's sad that this is what movies, and even video games are becoming. Visual and audio popcorn. Snacks.

Intellectual popcorn has been around for a long time. I enjoy reading garbage science fiction books from the 70's even though I know the characters and the plot is stupid. It is about how interestingly stupid it is that keeps me turning pages.

 

[Fox12]

I'm seriously going to dare you to come up with a reason why this movie looks good other than "It's godzilla" or "it's a huge monster."

"It's Bryan Cranston."

OT: Yeah, I don't know. The first trailer atleast had this unusual horror movie vibe to it, which is unusual, but this was pretty generic. Yeah the cinematography was great, but... so what? I rarely see more than one film a year, and so far that's already been The Lego Movie. I can't see this dragging me into theaters...

 

[Moloch Sacrifice]

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Seriously, why does every single movie trailer have to have the "BWAAAAAUUHHMMMMMM!" in it, have we no other ways to create tension? Coming this summer, the feel good romantic comedy of the season *man looks intensely into a woman's eyes* BWAAAAAUUHHMMMMMM!!!!

It's quite simple. The Reapers now control Earth's filmmaking industry. They are simply providing additional voiceovers.

Unfortunately, due to the mentioning of a part of the Mass Effect Universe, the rest of this thread has now been cancelled, and has now been replaced with a debate on the Mass Effect ending. We apologise for any inconvenience.

 

[Riverwolf]

Here's something a lot of people might not realize: Hollywood's not dumbing down, or however you want to phrase that. It's always been like this. Amadeus (which is, to me, the greatest film ever made) shared theater space with dumb action films and dumb slasher films. Casablanca shared theater space terrible monster mash films and the rampant sequelitis that plagued "horror" films at the time (Pop Quiz: how many Mummy movies were there?). And has anyone watched old James Bond films lately? Sure, they're great fun, but they're also not any smarter than the aforementioned dumb 80s action films. Also, Bat Shark Repellent.

American cinema has always marketed first and foremost to the lowest common denominator.

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Seriously, why does every single movie trailer have to have the "BWAAAAAUUHHMMMMMM!" in it, have we no other ways to create tension? Coming this summer, the feel good romantic comedy of the season *man looks intensely into a woman's eyes* BWAAAAAUUHHMMMMMM!!!!

It's quite simple. The Reapers now control Earth's filmmaking industry. They are simply providing additional voiceovers.

Unfortunately, due to the mentioning of a part of the Mass Effect Universe, the rest of this thread has now been cancelled, and has now been replaced with a debate on the Mass Effect ending. We apologise for any inconvenience.

I solemnly vow not to bring up my opinion on Mass Effect's ending in this particular thread.

 

[Zontar]

I don't need to watch the trailer to know this will be a bad story. I only enjoy movies with good stories. Remakes have like a 99.9% ratio of being bad. (if you have to copy someone elses idea, you probably can't come up with your own).

It's sad that this is what movies, and even video games are becoming. Visual and audio popcorn. Snacks.

Also the inception noise is much like the piano clang. I freaking hate that thing, it sometimes pops up in freaking comedies for petes sake.

You do realize that the complains about movie remakes are as old as movies, and that there are plenty of example of remakes being better then the source material, right? I mean hell, sure we have some bad examples in recent memory (Reboot Cop, Meh of Steel), but we also have good examples of remakes that are genuinely better then the things they rebooted (Dredd, True Grit).

 

[Riverwolf]

I don't need to watch the trailer to know this will be a bad story. I only enjoy movies with good stories. Remakes have like a 99.9% ratio of being bad. (if you have to copy someone elses idea, you probably can't come up with your own).

It's sad that this is what movies, and even video games are becoming. Visual and audio popcorn. Snacks.

Also the inception noise is much like the piano clang. I freaking hate that thing, it sometimes pops up in freaking comedies for petes sake.

You do realize that the complains about movie remakes are as old as movies, and that there are plenty of example of remakes being better then the source material, right? I mean hell, sure we have some bad examples in recent memory (Reboot Cop, Meh of Steel), but we also have good examples of remakes that are genuinely better then the things they rebooted (Dredd, True Grit).

The Dark Knight Trilogy was a reboot of the Tim Burton Batman films, which were reboots of Batman in general, as well. Heck, the Adam West Batman was a reboot of sorts. Speaking of the 60s, the Hammer Horror films were all reboots. How many Phantom of the Opera, Robin Hood, or King Arthur movies are there? (Heck, technically, ever single iteration, book or film, of the Robin Hood and King Arthur stories are reboots right back to Le Morte d'Arthur and A Gest of Robyn Hode.)

However, I think the thing is that, lately, there've been more reboots/reimaginings/adaptations of earlier work than in the past. I, personally, don't think that's inherently a bad thing, since enduring stories and characters are good for cultural consistency. The problem is that the vast majority of recent ones are mediocre, if not bad. They've also been doing this to earlier works that don't need it. The Back to the Future movies, for example, don't need rebooting/remaking, since they still stand as strongly now as they did in the 80s. Godzilla, on the other hand, is a product of 1950s Japan, and, being Japanese cinema, is quite slow and deliberate in its delivery. I think an American reimagining of that story is no bad thing inherently, and it remains to be seen whether this iteration will be any good or not. I think it looks great, but that's no guarantee of anything.

...plus, come to think of it, American reimaginings of Japanese media has never proven to be... successful. I know I've never seen an American reimagining of Japanese media that I liked. (I didn't like The Ring, the 1999 Godzilla film was awful, I've heard the Grudge was terrible though admittedly I didn't much care for Ju-On either, and American dubs of anime tend to be inferior to the original in terms of script and story unless they just translate it directly... on the other hand, Power Rangers).

 

[Magicmad5511]

I want to see this film.
Its like The original Godzilla saw the CGI Zilla get upstaged by the Cloverfield Monster and said
"Amateurs. Sit down Junior and let me show you how its done."

Godzilla is back people. And he is EPIC.

 

[Spider RedNight]

I completely understand why SecretNegative is baffled that people think this looks good. Just the same generic disaster movie.

I think the word you're looking for is "intolerant"; s/he's not stating confusion over why someone would be excited for this movie, s/he was completely arrogant and pranced around on his high horse claiming that this movie looks stupid and how shallow the originals are and that anyone with a brain wouldn't find any enjoyment in this movie whatsoever.

I could say I've seen an insightful movie but you may not agree and that's okay, but replying in such an abrasive manner and falling back on more insults when you've been called out on your aggressive behaviour makes someone look rather shallow.

OT: Hell, I was happy enough with the teaser. I don't even need to see the long trailer to get pumped for this movie. Even if it's not deep or entirely thought-provoking, I like dinosaurs -shot- But seriously though, I'm just excited

 

[scorptatious]

I loved the Godzilla movies as a kid. Even the 1998 reboot to an extent. So far, this is looking to be pretty good, I'll definitely go see this.

 

[Zontar]

American dubs of anime tend to be inferior to the original in terms of script and story unless they just translate it directly...

2 words: Ghost Stories. An anime that was terrible in its original version, and was given a gag dub that's both superior and for more well known then the original story it was spawned from. Plus, have you seen dubs nowadays? The days of 4kids are long gone, now dubs are at worst passable overall (hentai being the exception, though hearing extracts on YouTube is fun in a "so bad it's good" way). Plus, subs tend to be.... liberal in their choice of terms for translations (sometimes a direct translation is not the best choice but still used), and I've watched many shows with subs that the voice acting is worst then English dubs (though not many people seem to notice them since they can't speak the language).

 

[Riverwolf]

American dubs of anime tend to be inferior to the original in terms of script and story unless they just translate it directly...

2 words: Ghost Stories. An anime that was terrible in its original version, and was given a gag dub that's both superior and for more well known then the original story it was spawned from. Plus, have you seen dubs nowadays? The days of 4kids are long gone, now dubs are at worst passable overall (hentai being the exception, though hearing extracts on YouTube is fun in a "so bad it's good" way). Plus, subs tend to be.... liberal in their choice of terms for translations (sometimes a direct translation is not the best choice but still used), and I've watched many shows with subs that the voice acting is worst then English dubs (though not many people seem to notice them since they can't speak the language).

I've never heard of Ghost Stories, but that sounds interesting. I'll have to check that out. Plus, come to think of it, I'd MUCH rather watch Samurai Pizza Cats than whatever show originally spawned it.

You are right, subs can often be misleading, but I still generally prefer that because I can at least hear the original language, and I've seen enough anime and heard enough of Japanese to pick up on a couple of key phrases that can, in my mind, correct an error in the subs if it's a common one.

Though I did bring up direct translations, by which I meant more contemporary dubs like Rurouni Kenshin or Inu Yasha (yeah, I know they're not exactly "contemporary" any more, but I remember Kenshin being one of the first semi-children's anime to be an almost word-for-word dub, right down to getting the original singer of the show's opening to sing the English version). To clarify, I was referring to reimaginings, that is to say, "dubs" that take all kinds of liberties with the original story, ala the DiC dub of Sailor Moon, which is, for all intents and purposes, a COMPLETELY different show to the original.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Holy fuck that trailer was terrible, it basically went like this:

Horrible actor: Serious stuff!
BWAAAAAUUUHMMMMM!
Horrible Actor: I'm serious, serious stuff!
BWAAAAAAUUUHHHMMMMMM!

Yup...at least they didn't do that think where the bits between loud noises gets shorter and shorter, so you can't see anything.

Dont like the new trailer. How can USA hide a creature thats destroying cities?

Yeah, wondering that myself.

...

Now, it is perfectly possible to make a serious, deep monster movie, which looks like what they've tried. However, it's not easy, and, despite not having seen the film, I feel confident in saying they'll fail, ending up woefully pretentious. There will probably be a painfully generic straight, white American male lead who spends most of the movie worrying about the painfully generic straight, white American love interest, who will be even less interesting. Or worse, she'll be "feisty".

If in doubt, just have fun and blow stuff up. A good silly action movie full of amusing overacting is much better than a half-hearted "deep and meaningful" movie demanding to be taken seriously.

 

[Nazulu]

Huh. It actually doesn't look like it will be shit. Though the dialogue seems like it will be boring.

Reminds me of Cloverfield, which I actually liked, so I hope this turns out well. It would be nice to go to the cinema again.