How could Disney redeem itself from The Last Jedi?
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Oh god, another one of these threads. Why has a company made a film that isn't specifically what i wanted and how can i try to vent my pre-pubescent rage at it and ignore any statement that doesn't directly agree with me? Different day, different topic, same old infantile approach.
The film was average, much like all the rest of the films. I have nostalgia glasses for the first 3 but the prequels and sequels haven't had that luxury and i find myself not really caring much to watch them again. The Last Jedi i would rewatch over and over again just to raise the sales and piss off the crying fanboys whose frothy bile entertains me far more than the franchise has managed for years
The film was average, much like all the rest of the films. I have nostalgia glasses for the first 3 but the prequels and sequels haven't had that luxury and i find myself not really caring much to watch them again. The Last Jedi i would rewatch over and over again just to raise the sales and piss off the crying fanboys whose frothy bile entertains me far more than the franchise has managed for years
But you ARE arguing that the casting of Rose was an attempt to pander to China, whereas most other people here are arguing that you are wrong, because there was NO intent to pander to China in the film, so there was no reason for them to "do it better." You are arguing that Disney screwed up doing something and suggesting ways they could do it better when they weren't attempting to do it in the first place!Jamcie Kerbizz said:
So you haven't actually watch or read any of the videos or comments on why people don't like the movie to the point where even most people who liked it agree it wasn't particularly good. I'm serious about that on social media the numbers are something like 3:1 for those who liked the movie taking the stance it wasn't really that good but it was enjoyable when compared to those who actually think it's great (and this is something one has to remember is collectively the minority opinion given every metric of measuring audience reaction that isn't the highly unreliable "at the door" polls)Rangaman said:
I honestly have no words. Whether it be how ESB is a great movie even in a void that's elevated within the context of its place in the franschise compared to TLJ being a bad "turn off your brain and then you can actually enjoy it" flick that's made worst by its context within the franchise, the fact that ESB was initially received poorly by critics and loved by fans while TLJ was received poorly by fans but loved by critics, the fact that ESB had a coherent plot and lovable/relatable/understandable characters while TLJ was an incoherent mess of a plot with the characters who are likeable/relatable/understandable being limited to literally just Fin and Poe, there's just so much wrong with this statement I don't even know where I could expand upon these things.
Disney has nothing to redeem themselves for whatsoever, The Last Jedi is easily one of the best Star Wars movies in existence, if not THE best, and has made hilariously large amounts of money. By the standards of anyone who honestly intends to give Disney owning Star Wars a chance instead of screaming bloody murder right off for no good reason The Last Jedi is a phenomenal movie.
I would rather them actually take more risks and not play it completely safe, but I don't think that will ever happen.
Just announce KOTOR as canon and I'll be happy.
Just announce KOTOR as canon and I'll be happy.
No, that absolutely is true and you know it. The fact that people like you can't possibly be satisfied doesn't change that.Zontar said:
I enjoyed Rogue One. It wasn't great but I enjoyed it. Thought then again the characters had logical motives and acted in ways that where logical, so it's not exactly comparable to TLJ given that the only things that work are the effects, the cinematography and the music and literally nothing else is at even a 5/10.immortalfrieza said:
You like the movie, alright, but most people don't and it has no connection to the fringe part of the fanbase that would hate anything for existing. Unless you believe the Huffington Post's conspiracy theory that they straight up fabricated, there's really no way to pretend the movie was well received. Hell in China where it didn't have the Star Wars hype factor had it pulled after only a week and it failed so hard it's unlikely future Star Wars movies will be released in the country.
You happy that people are defending a shit movie purely for political reasons and nothing else? Because that's literally the only reason why half of those pretending it's a good movie do so.Avnger said:
What canon would that be?GalanDun said:
And considering neither the First Order nor the Resistance are proper, recognized militaries, why wouldn't a third party arms dealer sell to both? Hell, prior to unrestricted submarine warfare, the US was more than happy to sell weapons to both sides of WW1
Literally for realsies. Only half, why I dare say that anybody who likes The Last Jedi isn't and has never been a Star Wars fan.Zontar said:
It's only logical and not influenced by my personal feelings in anyway.
I have watched said videos and all I've gathered was that people either hate it for being, and I quote, "SJW crap" (which is an argument I will never take seriously); for not fulfilling their fan theories (which is entirely your own fault as far as I'm concerned) or for not being nostalgia trip (do I even need to say why I don't take these guys seriously). And if it's not one of those, they'll claim it has massive plot holes and is incoherent without actually providing any examples.Zontar said:
And for the record, I've seen far more people who love TLJ than people who hate it.
No, it isn't. It doesn't actually introduce any of the recurring characters and conflicts well and ends with, like, a million loose ends and unresolved plot threads. It's great because we know about the movie before it that introduced said characters and the movie after it that tied up all of those loose ends.
I honestly have no words. Whether it be how ESB is a great movie even in a void that's elevated within the context of its place in the franschise
I dunno, I actively engage with movies and I liked it. Also, what do you mean "made worse by its context within the franchise"?
Yes, that's because planned trilogies were a new thing in the 80s (so critics didn't really understand how that movie would work and docked points for it leaving a bunch of unresolved threads) and most of the fans were kids who watched the first Star Wars. Whereas now planned trilogies are much more common and their structure (first movie set the stage, second raises the steaks, third delivers the awesome climax) is well known while a lot of the fans are cynical 30-somethings that hate everything that goes near their precious bloody childhood.
How is the plot incoherent? In fact it's actually pretty simple all things considered. And I like the new characters. Yeah Rey is no Luke Skywalker but for people who grew up with the OT, they were never going to exceed the OTs cast in any way (not with JJ Abrams at the helm anyway). Maybe you don't like the new characters but that strays into "my opinion is better than yours" territory, and quite frankly this thread is argumentative enough.
Which means you can't be arsed or you actually can't think of anything to write.
Make a Star Trek film, because that was always the better franchise. But only if it's on par with one of the "evens" - meaning II, IV or VI.
Apparently China never grew up on the original Star Wars movies, so there's that. I've also heard news that many chinese movie goers didn't think the actors in the movie (TLJ) were pretty enough. Don't know how much that would factor into it, but China can be weird like that.Zhukov said:
Oh for Pete's sake.Zontar said:
Believe it or not, people can have different opinions about works of fiction (or anything really). For instance, I have no idea why people like Rogue One - the characters are vapid, the structure is a mess, it has an unappealing aesthetic, it devolves into "stupid evil" for the Empire, its attempts at moral ambiguity are half-hearted and out of place, and the only reason I don't rank it lower is because it's got a killer third act.
However, all of that is my opinion. I don't even like The Last Jedi that much, but again, that's just my opinion. The idea that people like TLJ "for purely political reasons" is asinine.
Personally, I'd rather them let Phasma die. In every time Finn's confronted her, she's failed...rather miserably, all things considered. If she came back again in Episode IX, either she dies (so the joke is stale) or accomplishes something (which would feel out of place). Phasma had a role to play in Episode VII, but in TLJ, not so much.Major Tom said:
But what about VIII?Blood Brain Barrier said:
Also, the evens include Nemesis, so...yeah.
So, domestically, The Last Jedi is performing relative to The Force Awakens at the same level The Empire Strikes Back did relative to A New Hope:
They both made about ~63% as much as their predecessors. http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm And TLJ's domestic vs overseas ratio only dipped by 1.6%, and most of that's China.
Though I still find it weird that a movie almost making Avengers money on a smaller budget needs defending as a success, but 2018 is pretty wild.
They both made about ~63% as much as their predecessors. http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm And TLJ's domestic vs overseas ratio only dipped by 1.6%, and most of that's China.
Though I still find it weird that a movie almost making Avengers money on a smaller budget needs defending as a success, but 2018 is pretty wild.