How is 9/11 viewed internationally?

[OldNewNewOld]

It's some random tragedy that was done by a bunch of idiots, but it's overhyped by the retarded mass media and now it's the same as if the damn world ended.

Yes, many people died, but even bigger shit has been done in many other countries around the globe, but no other nation made a crusader against a whole religion because of few bunch of idiots.

My country was invaded by 2 other countries for 3 years, although the war was much longer, but it's not "official". My country lost 40%+ of it's citizens due that war, jet I don't see the shit like the USA does.
What the USA did to Afghanistan, Cuba, Libya, Iraq, "CCCP" Korea.... those are things that have much more tragedy in them than 9/11.

tl.dr. it's not even half as a big tragedy as the American media makes it. Shit happens, get over it.

 

[Platypus540]

Ok so im gonna go ahead and speak as a typical muslim "terrorist" or "vandal" or whatever cliche you've bestowed upon us these days. You know what I love about the US, their tendency to break rip a nations heart out for so much as scratching American national pride. The millions of civilians killed in America's 3 massive ***** fits are ofcourse totally ignored, oh no, what matters is that America's big Penis compensation was torn down, yeah that totally justifies 3 trillions dollars worth of war. People, get over it, its been a decade we get it, it was a bad thing to do, we pwomise never to do it again happy?

Jesus, man, calm down.

Americans in general don't think of Muslims that way. Only assholes/bigots do. And those exist in every country.

Also: Technically Al Qaeda started the war against them, and you can't seriously be defending the Taliban. I'm pretty sure RAMMING A FUCKING AIRLINER INTO A BUILDING IS AN ACT OF WAR. It's just as if some country launched a cruise missile into the WTC.

He's being a bit over the top, but the west started it. We've been almost literally raping their countries for centuries.

I meant specifically against Al Qaeda and the Taliban, which is what this thread was about. Yes, the late 80s early 90s Mideast was pretty messed up.

I think you've missed the point in the attack. Al Qaeda attacked the US, along with many other western countries, in return for the damages done to the middle east over the years. It wasn't about a personal attack on themselves, but on their land and their people.

Personally I hope I'd go freedom fighter myself if someone did to Scotland what has been done to the middle east. I doubt very much I'd go around killing innocent people, but that's a difference in viewpoint, emotion and standards.

We've gone over to their countries and killed their people hundreds of times, so a few of them see fit to do it right back to us. It wasn't even a religious thing.

I'll freely admit I also overreacted.

 

[AngryMongoose]

I like to measure atrocities in 9/11s. So, the Firebombing of Tokyo is over 30 9/11s, while the Holocaust is 3.6 Kilo9/11s.

So generally, my view is pretty cold. It was far away and didn't affect anyone I know, so I view it as just another atrocity; of which there is no shortage.

 

[PipPup]

I imagine not as respected as wel US would like to hope and the way we promote it (and oh yes, we do certainly promote the hell out of it). Judging fromt he few threads ont he escpaists most countries seem to think we need to get over ourselves or stop trying to push it on to them (though why they think the US is doing that I dont know. Unless youre receiving US television stations or going to us sites that dont localize advertisements then its more your own government and tv stations pushing it on you then the US. and if youre viewing US stations, well, its not really directed at you so much as your just having to deal with it).

Right now the big tragedy to me is the <url=http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=587792>KHL plane that went down that is starting to show Russia still being/sinking back to third world country status (which isnt an insult or anything, just a general observation). But thats only cause Im big on Hockey.

That is where I am right now as well. I'm also a huge hockey fan. For me, that is my current tragedy focus. That tribute to the team made me tear up more than a 9/11 special will. And you're right, the status of planes and airlines in Russia is bad. Perhaps a remnant of Communism?

 

[Whytewulf]

I am American, but I look at many of the responses here that say "I don't care". I find that astonishing. Look at it this way. If you don't "care" about the people dying, look at it this way, it changed the world in several ways. It was also one of many types of attacks, such at the attacks in Russia, UK, Spain, etc. The big changes in airport security, new laws around protection of documents, anti-money laundering/terrorism and such items. So I think it's important in the way the world runs today.

I also wonder why does one tragedy have to outweigh another tragedy. I don't want to say this is bigger so, we don't care about your smaller tragedy.

Do I think the media coverage is over-done, very much so. But with 1000 channels, when isn't something over done by the media. 99% of the US citizens, aren't as up in arms every year about it, but the 10 year anniversery is important. So let us have our moment, we'll let you have yours. And history is there to remember...

 

[Whytewulf]

Dup post.. Captcha hates me

 

[Yopaz]

and above all, the japanese don't get high and mighty and pretend that they did nothing to provoke this. (not saying they deserved to be bombed. you get what i mean)

So the fact that civilians were killed, more died from cancer and radiation damage and several for the next 100000 years will have increased birth defects is not a tragedy because of Pearl Harbor?

It's still a tragedy even though Americans don't care. The fact that there have been killed more than 20 times more civlians in the Iraq war than died in the September 11 attacks is a tragedy and honestly, I think that takes away their right to mope about it 10 years later.

 

[Kathinka]

and above all, the japanese don't get high and mighty and pretend that they did nothing to provoke this. (not saying they deserved to be bombed. you get what i mean)

So the fact that civilians were killed, more died from cancer and radiation damage and several for the next 100000 years will have increased birth defects is not a tragedy because of Pearl Harbor?

It's still a tragedy even though Americans don't care. The fact that there have been killed more than 20 times more civlians in the Iraq war than died in the September 11 attacks is a tragedy and honestly, I think that takes away their right to mope about it 10 years later.

nonono, you misunderstand, i was agreeing!
the japanese are not crying: "ohhh, we were so innocent! the nuclear bombings were completely unprovoked!"
americans keep acting like they did nothing even remotly bad to anyone in the world, that's what i meant.

 

[JasonKaotic]

It's mixed here in England. Not sure which the majority is, but some of us are sympathetic about it and do the minute silences and all that, the rest of us are tired of hearing about it. I'm the latter. Unless 9/11 has affected them personally, people have no reason to still be as upset about it as they claim to be.
What happened was bad and all, and it's natural to feel sympathy for the people affected by it, but you can't feel genuinely sad about it if it didn't affect you. Sympathy and sadness are two different things.

 

[maturin]

Viva Salvador Allende and fuck Pinochet. That's all I have to say.

+1

In 9-11, I quoted Robert Fisk?s conclusion that the ?horrendous crime? of 9/11 was committed with ?wickedness and awesome cruelty?, an accurate judgment. It is useful to bear in mind that the crimes could have been even worse. Suppose, for example, that the attack had gone as far as bombing the White House, killing the president, imposing a brutal military dictatorship that killed thousands and tortured tens of thousands while establishing an international terror centre that helped impose similar torture-and-terror states elsewhere and carried out an international assassination campaign; and as an extra fillip, brought in a team of economists - call them ?the Kandahar boys? - who quickly drove the economy into one of the worst depressions in its history. That, plainly, would have been a lot worse than 9/11.

-Chomsky

 

[shroomie]

While I can't speak for the whole of Britain I know that I and many of my friends don't particularly care about the September 11th attacks. We have suffered terrorist attacks in the past; from the IRA, the 7/7 bombings, the Glasgow Airport attack but we just keep moving on so I don't get why many Americans get hung up on one incident (unless you actually lost a loved one, in which case that's fine.)

 

[Jazoni89]

It's mixed here in England. Not sure which the majority is, but some of us are sympathetic about it and do the minute silences and all that, the rest of us are tired of hearing about it. I'm the latter. Unless 9/11 has affected them personally, people have no reason to still be as upset about it as they claim to be.
What happened was bad and all, and it's natural to feel sympathy for the people affected by it, but you can't feel genuinely sad about it if it didn't affect you. Sympathy and sadness are two different things.

The saddest thing about it though is that some people expect everyone to be sad about it when most people obviously aren't, as it didn't affect them. For example, all of the the TV coverage it gets here in the UK.

 

[xPixelatedx]

Simple fact is this, unless you actually lost a family member in the attack then you really need to stfu about it and stop acting as if it had anything to do with you.

I am an American citizen, and that's been my stance. I mean, yeah, it's tragic, but tragic things happen, and then life goes on. If you don't let it, then your enemies have won.

 

[ZydrateDealer]

What happened on the 9th of November?
I jest. I saw the second plane hit the other tower on television after I had just got back from school and I remain as apathetic now as I was back then. Sure I was fired up that another extremist had put his cause before innocent lives but I don't know these people! If you weren't connected to it you can only really empathize with those people who were when you meet them other than that stop choking up because it's not that bad when compared to other things to name one you're fond of, the holocaust, to name two you'd rather there were no record of Nagasaki and Hiroshima. There were bombings in London, do you fuckers know the date without goggling it? Neither do I because there are worse things so shut the fuck up about your one and only tragedy it does not give you the right as a nation to feel bad for yourselves when there are Iraqi girls being raped by your servicemen, and innocent civilians being brutalized. Ask Muhammad the legless child who watched his family die because Americans came to 'free' them what he thinks of 9/11.
Sorry got off message there for a bit I'm not denying that it was a bad thing, it's just not that important in the grand scheme of things there are other disasters I'd rather overt than that one given the choice. There's my view, stop crying about it unless you're also crying about every other loss of life in the world ever in which case don't look into the Permian Period you'll flood your house with tears.

 

[Haratu]

I went to bed early and then had a squash game in the morning. Got annoyed because my friends were delaying the game looking at the paper. They finally started playing when I pointed out that they didn't care when thousands of Africans were dying in wars and yet did care now so were being led around a lot. The paper could wait.

 

[scorptatious]

quoting my father "who cares about couple skyscrapers and few thousand Americans? They have plenty of both."

In other words, nobody really cares. Except press.

Your father is a scumbag. Through and through.

I don't care if I get suspended or banned for saying that. The complete disregard for human life that was in that statement just sickens me.

 

[AndyFromMonday]

Your father is a scumbag. Through and through.

I don't care if I get suspended or banned for saying that. The complete disregard for human life that was in that statement just sickens me.

It was a joke.

OT: Nobody here seems to care apart from the media but barely anyone takes news channels seriously nowadays.

 

[TheTim]

Your father is a scumbag. Through and through.

I don't care if I get suspended or banned for saying that. The complete disregard for human life that was in that statement just sickens me.

It was a joke.

OT: Nobody here seems to care apart from the media but barely anyone takes news channels seriously nowadays.

Doesn't matter if it was a joke or not, that kind of shit isn't meant or for this thread on this day.

 

[Brian Hendershot]

Well...this is a horrible idea for a thread. That's all I gotta say.

Anyhow for me, it's done. It's been ten years and we haven't really ever got the bad guys. We won't ever get the bad guys. So we just need to get over that. What we need to focus on is how to not let this tragedy haunt us as a nation for a million years to come. Oh yeah and the first responders need their money. Jesus christ people, most of them have cancer and are dying. Just give them the damn money and stop turning it into a fucking political issue.

Anyhow, I mourn what happened that day--not just the loss of American lives, but the horrible effects that it brought upon the world, namely Bush getting elected twice. That being said, I am not going to make a big deal out of it. This morning I woke up, walked back to my dorm. Waited for my hangover to go away. Played some saints row. Did some homework. Went back to my girlfriends house to eat dinner. Came back and got on the Escapist instead of doing homework. No celebrations or memorials services for me thank you very much.

Oh yeah and I am American if that is not obvious.

 

[Tsaba]

Well...this is a horrible idea for a thread. That's all I gotta say.

This, also, as an American I feel for my country and the loss of life we suffered that day. Today is a day for American's to remember, it has affected the rest of the world, but, it has changed us the most.

I'll leave this here for those of us who still feel even though some claim they don't.