Human Centipede II Refused U.K. Classification

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fucking hell you must be one sick mofo to think up even the first film let alone the this kind of sequel

 

[zarix2311]

This movie was controversial? I didn't think so.

 

[Programmed_For_Damage]

Need I remind you why?

The Human Centipede II (Full Sequence) tells the story of a man who becomes sexually obsessed with a DVD recording of the first film in the series, The Human Centipede, masturbating to the first film, using sandpaper to pleasure himself. He decides to create a "human centipede" of his own, which he uses to his own sexual delight, taking sexual pleasure in watching victims of the centipede defecate in each other's mouths and raping the woman at the end of the centipede.

The only good I can see in this is that the government would put anyone who sees this film on a watch list.

Precisely my thoughts

 

[Tdc2182]

I'm not upset, even though banning films is completely against my personal morals of Freedom of Speech.

The two don't have to clash, it's all about understanding the spirit of your personal ethics rather than just taking an idea and enshrining it.

Why do you value freedom of speech? I'm guessing it's probably because it allows people to air their honest beliefs and to live without fear of censure. If that's the case you can then understand why you value that freedom as opposed to simply obeying the tenet that 'all speech should be free'.

Films being banned is largely a bad thing because it attempts to censor what people can express in films, normally that's an issue because it can be used for State suppression of free thought. There's nothing inherently wrong with banning a film, but there is something wrong with what can be achieved by doing so.

The acid test for this film is in what it's attempting to express. Which is nothing. It's not expressing any ideas, it's merely designed to titillate/nauseate people. All that's left is a series of images that can either gratify those with a fetish for extreme violence or serve to disgust and possibly scar those without.

In this context you can approve of banning a film like this without violating the ideals you stand for.

That is a very good way to put it, so thank you. I can go back too not caring about this "film" anymore.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

so hows it any different from the SAW franchise?

I know Saw is the go-to whipping boy in discussions of "torture porn" (I really hate the perversion of that term) but it's really a poor example. Firstly, there's no appeal to the prurient: Jigsaw gets no pleasure from the traps he springs on his victims, nor is the audience intended to. Moreover, the series has built up a complex and involved mythos that extends beyond the torture scenes and includes a villain that's a fully fleshed out (and occasionally sympathetic) character. The Saw series is really a cautionary tale about the dangers of forcibly imposing one's morals on others. In fact, the story arcs in Saw 1-3 and Saw 4-6 uncannily mirror the story arcs of The Godfather 1 and 2, respectively.

They're not indelible works of cinematic genius but there's a lot more going on in the Saw films than its detractors would like to acknowledge. Anybody who'd lump Saw in with the Human Centipede, which truly is exploitation simply for the sake of it, clearly doesn't know what he or she is talking about.

I'd go as far as to say Human Centipede is a distant cousin to SAW, and certainly the SAW franchise's existence helps it. And I have to disagree, the only reason anyone goes to watch any of the SAW films willingly is to watch the characters be tortured physically and mentally.

I never felt it was nothing more then a thin plot made to put people in a horrible situation. And whats the point of it all? The bad guy always gets away at the end, or passes the mantle on a successor. Nothing is ever concluded, the characters barely learn anything beyond "fuck I wish I never turned up on this mad man's radar", and they get killed so frequently theres no time for the audience to bond with anyone character.

It does have more claim to being art then Human Centipede, certainly it at least makes an attempt to try to be. But in terms of audience appeal, I'd be willing to bet money that theres is a heavy cross over of fanbase.

 

[Dogstile]

Good, nobody will try to show it to me now.

Not in cinemas. You can still import it.

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Are people so messed up that they would pay to go see that? There is no good reason to go. Other than they are just so messed up that they should be in counselling instead.

How about having it in theaters and when people pay and go in to watch they get rounded up and sent to do menial labour. Use the sick (man I really want to swear, wait, I'm censoring myself. NOOOOO) to help make the world a better place for the rest of us.

Counselling?

Seems like you're a more likely candidate. I'm curious to see what's so "shocking" about this film and i'll gladly go to the cinema with a few friends to find out. Calling someone sick and generalising everyone is an issue that a lot of people need help with, seriously.

Wish it was refused classification in the US...

Hells, I wish it was refused classification in the WORLD.

Wow a lot of negative comments.

The only good I can see in this is that the government would put anyone who sees this film on a watch list.

the film was potentially in breach of the Obscene Publications Act, meaning its distribution in the UK would be illegal

Watch list? You're going to have half the 1st worlds bored teens on that list. Also, does anyone else find it a little sickening in itself that something really obscene can be deemed illegal in the UK? I could understand if it was, hell, child porn or something equally horrifying, but this is fiction!

Anyway, i'm going to go see it, i'm bored and curious, plus the film is BRILLIANT bad movie night material. Horrifying quotes and nausea here i come.

And if you think i'm sick for enjoying a obviously fake film with a terrible plotline, you obviously haven't seen enough horror films. The only reason this ones getting any flack is because its in the spotlight. I'm assuming everyone forgot about that scene in the hills have eyes 2 where a survivor from the first one gets raped on camera. And its slimy and pus filled and disgusting.

Edit:

As a final point, the reason he's made this one more gory is because exactly 3 things happened in the first one that was remotely gory. the final fight, the bit with the pus, when she escapes from him the first time. Thats in reverse order.

It was quite literally boring as hell. I bet most of the people in here haven't even seen the first one, because everyone who did see it knows exactly why it shouldn't be banned from cinemas. Its a horrifying concept, but it really wasn't all that bad compared to other films.

 

[MrSnugglesworth]

SANDPAPER WOULD HURT SO MUCH.


WHAT THE FUCK.

OT: Didn't see the first one, didn't want to see the first one.

Won't see the second one.

 

[Noctis_XZ]

Please.. spare me the pretentious bullshit over why the Saw franchise is perfectly acceptable for anyone to view over the Human Centipede. Most, if not everyone here, has at least seen one of the many Saw films.. why? For one simple thing! The kills..

Don't try and fool yourself and come up with some asinine justification as to why you actually saw it or why it was okay to see it. Actually gives me a good laugh when I read these excuses about Saw at least having morals and teaching a lesson.. is that what you need to tell yourself when you watch one of those movies?

"It's alright for me to watch people being slaughtered on screen and see all this gore because this movie has morals!"

Watching the Human Centipede or wanting to watch the second movie does not make you a fucked up person. It's human nature to be curious and that's exactly what drew me into seeing the first movie.. that and the fact that a movie solely based around an actual human centipede has to be so bad that it's almost good. I'll even probably get around to watching the second movie just to see it.. not because I'm some fucked up lunatic.

I'm actually fine with saying I'll watch it too despite some of these comments about rounding people up and sending them off. That's the scarey thing honestly..

People need to get over themselves.. we live in a silly world.. movies like Saw where people are tortured/killed in the most graphic and creative ways is perfectly acceptable.. but a movie where people are sewn ass to mouth is disgusting.. why? Because it's ass to mouth.. ewwwWWWWWwwwwww!!!

Grow up and stop thinking anyone who sees this movie has mental issues. Because honestly.. the ones who have that mindset are the ones with the issues here

Whoever called Jigsaw a fleshed out character made me laugh.. so thanks for that. And a mythos.. you're really reaching for something there aren't you.. what mythos? Lol

 

[Sylvine]

Don't try and fool yourself and come up with some asinine justification as to why you actually saw it or why it was okay to see it.

You'll probably laugh, but I actually saw [/pun] the first one because someone said it had such a fantastic plot twist. And to be honest, the twists of no. 1 and 2 were pretty good back in the day. I also watched 1 with my girlfriend, and she said she'd enjoy the movie more without the gruesome scenes... so there's that.

But the point stands. Who's to say Saw had a plot enhanced by graphic violence, and HC2 is graphic sexual violence with a plot as an excuse to show it? I dunno, I find it hard to believe. I mean, it's definitely got a horror element with the whole centipede concept in the first place, and IMO, anyone saying that adding sadistic rape to it makes it less horror and more porn is the one who should be looked at sceptically.

Do I understand it correctly that those guys looked at it and said: Yep, I get off to that, that's definitely porn? (not a serious accusation, just making a point here)

~Sylv

 

[Dr. Dan Challis]

And whats the point of it all? The bad guy always gets away at the end, or passes the mantle on a successor. Nothing is ever concluded, the characters barely learn anything beyond "fuck I wish I never turned up on this mad man's radar", and they get killed so frequently theres no time for the audience to bond with anyone character.

It does have more claim to being art then Human Centipede, certainly it at least makes an attempt to try to be. But in terms of audience appeal, I'd be willing to bet money that theres is a heavy cross over of fanbase.

What's the point, then, of any film with an ounce narrative ambiguity? Is Inception a poor film because of its ending? Were the first two Godfather films made better by the definitive ending of the third? Sorry, not buying the "what's the point?" angle. It's too easy dismiss anything you don't like as pointless, so then the argument becomes about taste which is entirely subjective and truly pointless to debate.

Audience appeal has so little to do with narrative intent that bringing it up is tantamount to a red herring. I'm sure there's a lot of fanbase crossover between the Lord of the Rings, Star Wars or Transformers films and the Saw franchise. Impossible to prove and irrelevant to the artistic merits of the films in question, either way.

 

[Dr. Dan Challis]

Please.. spare me the pretentious bullshit over why the Saw franchise is perfectly acceptable for anyone to view over the Human Centipede. Most, if not everyone here, has at least seen one of the many Saw films.. why? For one simple thing! The kills..

Don't try and fool yourself and come up with some asinine justification as to why you actually saw it or why it was okay to see it. Actually gives me a good laugh when I read these excuses about Saw at least having morals and teaching a lesson.. is that what you need to tell yourself when you watch one of those movies?

"It's alright for me to watch people being slaughtered on screen and see all this gore because this movie has morals!"

Watching the Human Centipede or wanting to watch the second movie does not make you a fucked up person. It's human nature to be curious and that's exactly what drew me into seeing the first movie.. that and the fact that a movie solely based around an actual human centipede has to be so bad that it's almost good. I'll even probably get around to watching the second movie just to see it.. not because I'm some fucked up lunatic.

I'm actually fine with saying I'll watch it too despite some of these comments about rounding people up and sending them off. That's the scarey thing honestly..

People need to get over themselves.. we live in a silly world.. movies like Saw where people are tortured/killed in the most graphic and creative ways is perfectly acceptable.. but a movie where people are sewn ass to mouth is disgusting.. why? Because it's ass to mouth.. ewwwWWWWWwwwwww!!!

Grow up and stop thinking anyone who sees this movie has mental issues. Because honestly.. the ones who have that mindset are the ones with the issues here

Whoever called Jigsaw a fleshed out character made me laugh.. so thanks for that. And a mythos.. you're really reaching for something there aren't you.. what mythos? Lol

I assume all of this is directed at me, no?

All I can say is you're reading far more into what I said than is actually there. I didn't condemn the human Centipede movies or their viewers. I just explained why I think drawing parallels between the two series isn't an apt comparison. I've seen the first Human Centipede film, so there'd have to be some serious self loathing involved if I were condemning people interested in a movie like Human Centipede. I can guarantee you I like myself too much to loathe myself. And, ironically enough, I didn't dislike the Human Centipede because I objected to it's concept. I disliked it because it was poorly executed and surprisingly timid and conventional for a movie so intent on shocking the audience.

As for Jigsaw being a fleshed out character, well yeah. He is. Not in the first film, I'll grant you, but the bulk of the screen time from three on is biographical scenes about John Kramer's life before he became Jigsaw. Does he stack up to cinema's great characters? No. For this type of character in this genre of film, is he exceptionally well developed? Absolutely. I don't even think it's an arguable point.

If you enjoy the Saw films because of the kills and find little else of value in them, fine. That's a perfectly legitimate reaction. However, to assume because you find nothing else of value in them no else can, and to label those who do "pretentious," is the height of inanity and arrogance.

 

[LikeDustInTheWind]

Gahhhh! It burns! Kill it! Kill it with fire!

Seriously What. The. BALLS.

 

[Noctis_XZ]

Please.. spare me the pretentious bullshit over why the Saw franchise is perfectly acceptable for anyone to view over the Human Centipede. Most, if not everyone here, has at least seen one of the many Saw films.. why? For one simple thing! The kills..

Don't try and fool yourself and come up with some asinine justification as to why you actually saw it or why it was okay to see it. Actually gives me a good laugh when I read these excuses about Saw at least having morals and teaching a lesson.. is that what you need to tell yourself when you watch one of those movies?

"It's alright for me to watch people being slaughtered on screen and see all this gore because this movie has morals!"

Watching the Human Centipede or wanting to watch the second movie does not make you a fucked up person. It's human nature to be curious and that's exactly what drew me into seeing the first movie.. that and the fact that a movie solely based around an actual human centipede has to be so bad that it's almost good. I'll even probably get around to watching the second movie just to see it.. not because I'm some fucked up lunatic.

I'm actually fine with saying I'll watch it too despite some of these comments about rounding people up and sending them off. That's the scarey thing honestly..

People need to get over themselves.. we live in a silly world.. movies like Saw where people are tortured/killed in the most graphic and creative ways is perfectly acceptable.. but a movie where people are sewn ass to mouth is disgusting.. why? Because it's ass to mouth.. ewwwWWWWWwwwwww!!!

Grow up and stop thinking anyone who sees this movie has mental issues. Because honestly.. the ones who have that mindset are the ones with the issues here

Whoever called Jigsaw a fleshed out character made me laugh.. so thanks for that. And a mythos.. you're really reaching for something there aren't you.. what mythos? Lol

I assume all of this is directed at me, no?

All I can say is you're reading far more into what I said than is actually there. I didn't condemn the human Centipede movies or their viewers. I just explained why I think drawing parallels between the two series isn't an apt comparison. I've seen the first Human Centipede film, so there'd have to be some serious self loathing involved if I were condemning people interested in a movie like Human Centipede. I can guarantee you I like myself too much to loathe myself. And, ironically enough, I didn't dislike the Human Centipede because I objected to it's concept. I disliked it because it was poorly executed and surprisingly timid and conventional for a movie so intent on shocking the audience.

As for Jigsaw being a fleshed out character, well yeah. He is. Not in the first film, I'll grant you, but the bulk of the screen time from three on is biographical scenes about John Kramer's life before he became Jigsaw. Does he stack up to cinema's great characters? No. For this type of character in this genre of film, is he exceptionally well developed? Absolutely. I don't even think it's an arguable point.

If you enjoy the Saw films because of the kills and find little else of value in them, fine. That's a perfectly legitimate reaction. However, to assume because you find nothing else of value in them no else can, and to label those who do "pretentious," is the height of inanity and arrogance.

No, it wasn't fully directed at you.. perhaps last night I was a little to harsh when I wrote what I did. Forgive me for that little tirade.. but for the most part I meant what I said.

It's perfectly acceptable to draw parallels between the two sets of films when one is being virtually condemned for it's twisted premise.. the idea of one person preforming a horrific medical experiment on others/the fact that everything else is just in place and an excuse to show the aptly named human centipede of the film.. while the other, which is equally as twisted in its own right, is simply put.. fine.

You got me though.. the first Saw film did have a pretty good twist and perhaps that's what got some people to watch it.. but for a majority of the audience who went to see it and the films that followed it, it was for one thing only.. the kills. That's the only reason Saw was able to pump out as many films as it was able to.. because people wanted to see the contraptions and kills, not because they cared about the plot or characters. Luckily enough though there is only so much of the same thing that people can take.. they started to get tired of the kills. and because the plot and characters aren't really there, the franchise is pretty much done for. The Human Centipede films will follow the same route if for some reason there will be a third..

It's just irritating to read some of these posts and see what people have to say about the Human Centipede. I'm sure a great deal of people haven't even actually seen it... they just have heard of the premise and that alone has people condemning it.. because people are sewn ass to mouth and they have to eat poop. Do you know how frustrating it is to have to read that? No one would even really care about the movie if it didn't have the ass to mouth part.. if they were attached in any other way no one would care at all or claim it was as bad as they do.

For all of you who haven't watched it.. watch it, trust me.. it's no where near as disgusting as some of the things you would see in Saw. And don't get me wrong.. I'm not defending this movie for it being a work of art or anywhere near good.. it's not, it's a horrible film.. a god awful piece of trash.

So I'm sorry if I offended you or anyone here.. I just don't like when I see people calling other people insane for wanting to or who have watched the movie crazy pretty much. Saw is just as bad.. it just has plenty of mirrors up to mask what it truly is. The Human Centipede does not.. and I kind of respect it in a way for that. It's completely honest about what it is and so is the second film.

It's an interesting film at the least for how bad it is and for the fact that there are people like that out there who exist.. things like this have been done. I'm sure everyone knows who the Nazis are..

And I'm sorry but I still have to disagree about Jigsaw being a developed character. He, along with pretty much every other killer/victim, are just a vehicle to get us to the kills. I'll give you this.. sure, he has some development through flashbacks.. we understand why he kills. But other then that throughout all of the films he doesn't change at all for the most part. He's just bland.

 

[Dr. Dan Challis]

So I'm sorry if I offended you or anyone here...

Can't speak for anyone else but I wasn't personally offended. No worries.

 

[Psycho Cat Industries]

Sigh,another one bites the dust because a high up doesn't like it.
Really,what of the few people who DID want to see this,huh?

 

[Blatherscythe]

i pretty much watch any movie but this and its sequel just seem wrong. did the first one have much of a story or was it just a 2 hour long 2 girls 1 cup?

No, it was two girls one cup + Japanese tourist for two hours.

OT: Considering people are complaining about the film, being absolutly disgusted by it and calling it torture porn I have a brilliant idea. If I ever find a person whom I despise enough to torture all I'd have to do it strap them into a bolted down chair, tape their eyes open and force them to watch the two movies. Nothing would beat that in terms of sheer torture.

 

[AnAngryMoose]

...because there can never be too much defecation in a movie.

Seriously, this looks fucked. And the main reason why it's stepping up the pace? Because all the fucking idiots who watched it COMPLAINED that it wasn't fucking gory enough. Seriously, after all those complaints, I'm expecting this to be the most grotesque piece of cinema ever. Just to appease you sick fucks.

I don't think it'll ever manage to oust A Serbian Film

 

[Baldry]

...This is probably the most sickening thing I've ever read and I've been on the internet...I must see it...