Human Centipede II Refused U.K. Classification

[Noctis_XZ]

Please.. spare me the pretentious bullshit over why the Saw franchise is perfectly acceptable for anyone to view over the Human Centipede. Most, if not everyone here, has at least seen one of the many Saw films.. why? For one simple thing! The kills..

Don't try and fool yourself and come up with some asinine justification as to why you actually saw it or why it was okay to see it. Actually gives me a good laugh when I read these excuses about Saw at least having morals and teaching a lesson.. is that what you need to tell yourself when you watch one of those movies?

"It's alright for me to watch people being slaughtered on screen and see all this gore because this movie has morals!"

Watching the Human Centipede or wanting to watch the second movie does not make you a fucked up person. It's human nature to be curious and that's exactly what drew me into seeing the first movie.. that and the fact that a movie solely based around an actual human centipede has to be so bad that it's almost good. I'll even probably get around to watching the second movie just to see it.. not because I'm some fucked up lunatic.

I'm actually fine with saying I'll watch it too despite some of these comments about rounding people up and sending them off. That's the scarey thing honestly..

People need to get over themselves.. we live in a silly world.. movies like Saw where people are tortured/killed in the most graphic and creative ways is perfectly acceptable.. but a movie where people are sewn ass to mouth is disgusting.. why? Because it's ass to mouth.. ewwwWWWWWwwwwww!!!

Grow up and stop thinking anyone who sees this movie has mental issues. Because honestly.. the ones who have that mindset are the ones with the issues here

Whoever called Jigsaw a fleshed out character made me laugh.. so thanks for that. And a mythos.. you're really reaching for something there aren't you.. what mythos? Lol

 

[Sylvine]

Don't try and fool yourself and come up with some asinine justification as to why you actually saw it or why it was okay to see it.

You'll probably laugh, but I actually saw [/pun] the first one because someone said it had such a fantastic plot twist. And to be honest, the twists of no. 1 and 2 were pretty good back in the day. I also watched 1 with my girlfriend, and she said she'd enjoy the movie more without the gruesome scenes... so there's that.

But the point stands. Who's to say Saw had a plot enhanced by graphic violence, and HC2 is graphic sexual violence with a plot as an excuse to show it? I dunno, I find it hard to believe. I mean, it's definitely got a horror element with the whole centipede concept in the first place, and IMO, anyone saying that adding sadistic rape to it makes it less horror and more porn is the one who should be looked at sceptically.

Do I understand it correctly that those guys looked at it and said: Yep, I get off to that, that's definitely porn? (not a serious accusation, just making a point here)

~Sylv

 

[Dr. Dan Challis]

And whats the point of it all? The bad guy always gets away at the end, or passes the mantle on a successor. Nothing is ever concluded, the characters barely learn anything beyond "fuck I wish I never turned up on this mad man's radar", and they get killed so frequently theres no time for the audience to bond with anyone character.

It does have more claim to being art then Human Centipede, certainly it at least makes an attempt to try to be. But in terms of audience appeal, I'd be willing to bet money that theres is a heavy cross over of fanbase.

What's the point, then, of any film with an ounce narrative ambiguity? Is Inception a poor film because of its ending? Were the first two Godfather films made better by the definitive ending of the third? Sorry, not buying the "what's the point?" angle. It's too easy dismiss anything you don't like as pointless, so then the argument becomes about taste which is entirely subjective and truly pointless to debate.

Audience appeal has so little to do with narrative intent that bringing it up is tantamount to a red herring. I'm sure there's a lot of fanbase crossover between the Lord of the Rings, Star Wars or Transformers films and the Saw franchise. Impossible to prove and irrelevant to the artistic merits of the films in question, either way.

 

[Dr. Dan Challis]

Please.. spare me the pretentious bullshit over why the Saw franchise is perfectly acceptable for anyone to view over the Human Centipede. Most, if not everyone here, has at least seen one of the many Saw films.. why? For one simple thing! The kills..

Don't try and fool yourself and come up with some asinine justification as to why you actually saw it or why it was okay to see it. Actually gives me a good laugh when I read these excuses about Saw at least having morals and teaching a lesson.. is that what you need to tell yourself when you watch one of those movies?

"It's alright for me to watch people being slaughtered on screen and see all this gore because this movie has morals!"

Watching the Human Centipede or wanting to watch the second movie does not make you a fucked up person. It's human nature to be curious and that's exactly what drew me into seeing the first movie.. that and the fact that a movie solely based around an actual human centipede has to be so bad that it's almost good. I'll even probably get around to watching the second movie just to see it.. not because I'm some fucked up lunatic.

I'm actually fine with saying I'll watch it too despite some of these comments about rounding people up and sending them off. That's the scarey thing honestly..

People need to get over themselves.. we live in a silly world.. movies like Saw where people are tortured/killed in the most graphic and creative ways is perfectly acceptable.. but a movie where people are sewn ass to mouth is disgusting.. why? Because it's ass to mouth.. ewwwWWWWWwwwwww!!!

Grow up and stop thinking anyone who sees this movie has mental issues. Because honestly.. the ones who have that mindset are the ones with the issues here

Whoever called Jigsaw a fleshed out character made me laugh.. so thanks for that. And a mythos.. you're really reaching for something there aren't you.. what mythos? Lol

I assume all of this is directed at me, no?

All I can say is you're reading far more into what I said than is actually there. I didn't condemn the human Centipede movies or their viewers. I just explained why I think drawing parallels between the two series isn't an apt comparison. I've seen the first Human Centipede film, so there'd have to be some serious self loathing involved if I were condemning people interested in a movie like Human Centipede. I can guarantee you I like myself too much to loathe myself. And, ironically enough, I didn't dislike the Human Centipede because I objected to it's concept. I disliked it because it was poorly executed and surprisingly timid and conventional for a movie so intent on shocking the audience.

As for Jigsaw being a fleshed out character, well yeah. He is. Not in the first film, I'll grant you, but the bulk of the screen time from three on is biographical scenes about John Kramer's life before he became Jigsaw. Does he stack up to cinema's great characters? No. For this type of character in this genre of film, is he exceptionally well developed? Absolutely. I don't even think it's an arguable point.

If you enjoy the Saw films because of the kills and find little else of value in them, fine. That's a perfectly legitimate reaction. However, to assume because you find nothing else of value in them no else can, and to label those who do "pretentious," is the height of inanity and arrogance.

 

[LikeDustInTheWind]

Gahhhh! It burns! Kill it! Kill it with fire!

Seriously What. The. BALLS.

 

[Noctis_XZ]

Please.. spare me the pretentious bullshit over why the Saw franchise is perfectly acceptable for anyone to view over the Human Centipede. Most, if not everyone here, has at least seen one of the many Saw films.. why? For one simple thing! The kills..

Don't try and fool yourself and come up with some asinine justification as to why you actually saw it or why it was okay to see it. Actually gives me a good laugh when I read these excuses about Saw at least having morals and teaching a lesson.. is that what you need to tell yourself when you watch one of those movies?

"It's alright for me to watch people being slaughtered on screen and see all this gore because this movie has morals!"

Watching the Human Centipede or wanting to watch the second movie does not make you a fucked up person. It's human nature to be curious and that's exactly what drew me into seeing the first movie.. that and the fact that a movie solely based around an actual human centipede has to be so bad that it's almost good. I'll even probably get around to watching the second movie just to see it.. not because I'm some fucked up lunatic.

I'm actually fine with saying I'll watch it too despite some of these comments about rounding people up and sending them off. That's the scarey thing honestly..

People need to get over themselves.. we live in a silly world.. movies like Saw where people are tortured/killed in the most graphic and creative ways is perfectly acceptable.. but a movie where people are sewn ass to mouth is disgusting.. why? Because it's ass to mouth.. ewwwWWWWWwwwwww!!!

Grow up and stop thinking anyone who sees this movie has mental issues. Because honestly.. the ones who have that mindset are the ones with the issues here

Whoever called Jigsaw a fleshed out character made me laugh.. so thanks for that. And a mythos.. you're really reaching for something there aren't you.. what mythos? Lol

I assume all of this is directed at me, no?

All I can say is you're reading far more into what I said than is actually there. I didn't condemn the human Centipede movies or their viewers. I just explained why I think drawing parallels between the two series isn't an apt comparison. I've seen the first Human Centipede film, so there'd have to be some serious self loathing involved if I were condemning people interested in a movie like Human Centipede. I can guarantee you I like myself too much to loathe myself. And, ironically enough, I didn't dislike the Human Centipede because I objected to it's concept. I disliked it because it was poorly executed and surprisingly timid and conventional for a movie so intent on shocking the audience.

As for Jigsaw being a fleshed out character, well yeah. He is. Not in the first film, I'll grant you, but the bulk of the screen time from three on is biographical scenes about John Kramer's life before he became Jigsaw. Does he stack up to cinema's great characters? No. For this type of character in this genre of film, is he exceptionally well developed? Absolutely. I don't even think it's an arguable point.

If you enjoy the Saw films because of the kills and find little else of value in them, fine. That's a perfectly legitimate reaction. However, to assume because you find nothing else of value in them no else can, and to label those who do "pretentious," is the height of inanity and arrogance.

No, it wasn't fully directed at you.. perhaps last night I was a little to harsh when I wrote what I did. Forgive me for that little tirade.. but for the most part I meant what I said.

It's perfectly acceptable to draw parallels between the two sets of films when one is being virtually condemned for it's twisted premise.. the idea of one person preforming a horrific medical experiment on others/the fact that everything else is just in place and an excuse to show the aptly named human centipede of the film.. while the other, which is equally as twisted in its own right, is simply put.. fine.

You got me though.. the first Saw film did have a pretty good twist and perhaps that's what got some people to watch it.. but for a majority of the audience who went to see it and the films that followed it, it was for one thing only.. the kills. That's the only reason Saw was able to pump out as many films as it was able to.. because people wanted to see the contraptions and kills, not because they cared about the plot or characters. Luckily enough though there is only so much of the same thing that people can take.. they started to get tired of the kills. and because the plot and characters aren't really there, the franchise is pretty much done for. The Human Centipede films will follow the same route if for some reason there will be a third..

It's just irritating to read some of these posts and see what people have to say about the Human Centipede. I'm sure a great deal of people haven't even actually seen it... they just have heard of the premise and that alone has people condemning it.. because people are sewn ass to mouth and they have to eat poop. Do you know how frustrating it is to have to read that? No one would even really care about the movie if it didn't have the ass to mouth part.. if they were attached in any other way no one would care at all or claim it was as bad as they do.

For all of you who haven't watched it.. watch it, trust me.. it's no where near as disgusting as some of the things you would see in Saw. And don't get me wrong.. I'm not defending this movie for it being a work of art or anywhere near good.. it's not, it's a horrible film.. a god awful piece of trash.

So I'm sorry if I offended you or anyone here.. I just don't like when I see people calling other people insane for wanting to or who have watched the movie crazy pretty much. Saw is just as bad.. it just has plenty of mirrors up to mask what it truly is. The Human Centipede does not.. and I kind of respect it in a way for that. It's completely honest about what it is and so is the second film.

It's an interesting film at the least for how bad it is and for the fact that there are people like that out there who exist.. things like this have been done. I'm sure everyone knows who the Nazis are..

And I'm sorry but I still have to disagree about Jigsaw being a developed character. He, along with pretty much every other killer/victim, are just a vehicle to get us to the kills. I'll give you this.. sure, he has some development through flashbacks.. we understand why he kills. But other then that throughout all of the films he doesn't change at all for the most part. He's just bland.

 

[Dr. Dan Challis]

So I'm sorry if I offended you or anyone here...

Can't speak for anyone else but I wasn't personally offended. No worries.

 

[Psycho Cat Industries]

Sigh,another one bites the dust because a high up doesn't like it.
Really,what of the few people who DID want to see this,huh?

 

[Blatherscythe]

i pretty much watch any movie but this and its sequel just seem wrong. did the first one have much of a story or was it just a 2 hour long 2 girls 1 cup?

No, it was two girls one cup + Japanese tourist for two hours.

OT: Considering people are complaining about the film, being absolutly disgusted by it and calling it torture porn I have a brilliant idea. If I ever find a person whom I despise enough to torture all I'd have to do it strap them into a bolted down chair, tape their eyes open and force them to watch the two movies. Nothing would beat that in terms of sheer torture.

 

[AnAngryMoose]

...because there can never be too much defecation in a movie.

Seriously, this looks fucked. And the main reason why it's stepping up the pace? Because all the fucking idiots who watched it COMPLAINED that it wasn't fucking gory enough. Seriously, after all those complaints, I'm expecting this to be the most grotesque piece of cinema ever. Just to appease you sick fucks.

I don't think it'll ever manage to oust A Serbian Film

 

[Baldry]

...This is probably the most sickening thing I've ever read and I've been on the internet...I must see it...

 

[Dfskelleton]

What disturbs me more is that this excuse for a movie is actually getting a sequel. It was a beautifully disturbing idea that could've been great, but it was also a very poorly executed idea. The movie was just overall boring, and I couldn't manage to keep myself interested through the whole movie.
The sequel probably won't be as disturbing anyways. Do you know why? We've seen it before. The idea has already been used, and adding a hint of sexuality to the film won't make it any more disturbing.
Leave the horrific distortion of the human body to Junji Ito. If you don't know what I'm talking about, look up Uzumaki. I don't usually read magna and stuff like that, I don't get it, but the ideas Mr. Ito portrays in his books are extremely disturbing. Also look up The Enigma of Amigra Fault, which is short, but bizzare to the extreme, I can assure you. It's a lot better than Human Centipede, I, a horror fan, assure you.

 

[Callate]

Was there something in the underlying concepts of the first movie that desperately needed closer examination...?

 

[ZombieGenesis]

This is why the UK remains the only country with a lick of

BLOODY SENSE.

 

[A Weakgeek]

Sounds like a good date movie.

You know what? I agree. Since no matter how sick fetishes you have, after seeing this movie your girlfriend will think you aren't sick at all.

 

[OptimisticPessimist]

Sounds like a good date movie.

You know what? I agree. Since no matter how sick fetishes you have, after seeing this movie your girlfriend will think you aren't sick at all.

I like the way you think, sir.

 

[ho Huios tes Moiras]

First film was a pile of garbage. I didn't even find it shocking, it was just crap.

^ This. There's been gorier, and even more disturbing films in the past; the problem with The Human Centipede is that it just sucks. Nothing about the plot is believable, none of the characters are likable (the Japanese guy starts out okay, but ends up being just as unlikable as the girls), and no one is working at full capacity (that is, no one acts as a real person would given the context in which they find themselves, unless said person had an IQ of 50). It's so bad that it isn't even like the disturbing theme is the point; it's just pointless.

 

[Zenn3k]

Due to my massive list of sexual fetishes...I really want to see this now.

Dammit!

 

[Leg End]

Wow a lot of negative comments. I'm definitely going to watch it, the first was an interesting little idea but was pretty tame all things considered. They aren't trying to make the next Citizen Kane, the fact it shocked so many people and got the attention it did means it succeeded at what it set out to do.

A movie being weird or disturbing is no reason not to see it, its still an experience you're not getting out of most movies. If it was just bland and boring that's a reason to hate it. Either way just don't watch it if you don't want to.

You just took the words right out of my keyboard. XD

OT: I'm personally seeing it because my inner troll requires it.

I thought most Escapees were pro freedom of expression? Why is everyone now wanting it banned everywhere and the viewers locked up in a mental ward? :L

 

[.No.]

Wow a lot of negative comments. I'm definitely going to watch it, the first was an interesting little idea but was pretty tame all things considered. They aren't trying to make the next Citizen Kane, the fact it shocked so many people and got the attention it did means it succeeded at what it set out to do.

A movie being weird or disturbing is no reason not to see it, its still an experience you're not getting out of most movies. If it was just bland and boring that's a reason to hate it. Either way just don't watch it if you don't want to.

You just took the words right out of my keyboard. XD

OT: I'm personally seeing it because my inner troll requires it.

I thought most Escapees were pro freedom of expression? Why is everyone now wanting it banned everywhere and the viewers locked up in a mental ward? :L

Mostly because of the concept of the human centipede, twelve people in the centipede, and the antagonist wanking with sandpaper, and raping the end person on the centipede with his dick covered in barb wire. Some people may have a problem with that. And this sequel has all the blood and shit that wasn't in the first. The makers said that the first desensitized people, and the second went all out. It may not be as bad as A Serbian Film, but at least that had (a really flimsy) message, as opposed to this, which is gore porn. Hell, Saw (At least the first, I think) told people to not take life for granted.