If you find anime girls attractive does that make you a pedophile?

[Henkie36]

There is a very good reason for this: Anime characters are usually drawn in such a way that they check all the boxes on the ''What men want to see in a womans body'' list. Big eyes, large breasts, ideal hip-waist ratio, long legs and so on and so forth. So it only makes sense that you say ''Wow, she looks attractive''. Plus, 19 is a very dubious age. Remember, men don't stop growing until they're 21, so you are still feeling the after effects of hormones and that stuff, not that's not a useful excuse afterwards. Heh. Anyway, it's not very creepy, unless it's drawn in the infamous lolicon style, in which case it is. You're just doing exactly what they want you to do.

 

[mfeff]

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or

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They offer some interesting papers related to the topic... now as far as Jim goes...

 

[ph0b0s123]

just want to point this out as far as the law goes if there is proof of age(IE the character depicted is said to be of legal age of creater of said character) its not considered child porn even though they make look younger then 18.

OT: yeah your no pediphile your i think the words otaku? not sure but it basicly means your a healthy male who like women waring skimpy outfits and/or big boobs. nothing wrong with that

Erm no. As at least in the UK, the law is written, that it if a jury thinks that the depiction gives the "impression of being under 18", it's CP. Look it up. It is purely what the members of any particular jury decide. One jury may decide a depiction looks under 18, another may not. Does not matter what the artist says. Scary.

Also it does not have to be an under 18 looking individual, involved in a sexual act. The law also prohibits depictions of, what seems to a jury, to be an under 18 year old witnessing a sexual act. How dumb is that.



O/T.

The Japanese love cuteness, simple as. And child like qualities are cute, so hence the perfect anime character (in light of what I said before), meshes together childlike qualities with adult curves, to combine cute and sexy all into one package.

I think having this discussion on a gaming forum fits. Who, but gamers would better understand, that deriving pleasure from fantasy acts that would be illegal, if carried out in the real life, like killing several people, all with head shots, does not mean you would ever want to carry out the same acts in real life. I'm a pacifist vegetarian for f*!k sakes, but I still get a big smile from seeing heads explode from a series of well placed head shots. It's not real.

My 3 year old younger sister, can tell reality from fantasy, like when she says people need to keep their feet on the sofa as the carpet, is actually water with crocodiles in it. Anyone who thinks people cannot tell the difference between reality and fantasy, is an idiot.

Child protection is really important. Today's news in the UK, just re-enforces this (hope she's OK). The law has just become stupid though. Sanity needs to prevail. Attraction to a drawing is not the same as an attraction to something real. In the same way an attraction to doing violent acts to people in games, does not translate into a desire to do violence to people in real life.....

 

[Lt._nefarious]

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't there several different styles of anime and there is only, like, one that specifically focuses on child like characteristics in a all characters? I find that weird but I'm pretty sure this is pedophilia...

Spoiler

 

[Chemical Alia]

As for the artists, they usually tend to make idolized aspects of humanity. The absolutely coolest, cutest, sexiest, etc. according to their ideas. "Creepy" is in the eye of the beholder and all that.

If by artists you mean "anime artists", then sure. Idealizing everything all the time is also a great way to produce boring and predictable work, if you're not actually producing something for a shallow, mass audience (entertainment industry in particular).

Also, I hoped I made it clear that by saying I find something like drawing childlike features on sexualized figures creepy, I am in fact speaking from my own perspective.

I ran into this today, thought I might as well share it as it seems to be relevant and up the OP's alley.

http://boingboing.net/2012/10/02/anastasiya-shpagina-real-li.html

 

[Paragon Fury]

No, its not pedophilia unless the character in question is young enough to qualify for that classification in your country.

As for their appearance, you have to understand where the media is coming from; as anyone who has lived in Japan can tell you, Japanese women tend to look absurdly young for most of their lives (especially to outsiders). Its not until their early-late 40's that it really becomes noticable to everyone.

So its kind of hard to get that age-grading thing going on like we do in the West.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

As for the artists, they usually tend to make idolized aspects of humanity. The absolutely coolest, cutest, sexiest, etc. according to their ideas. "Creepy" is in the eye of the beholder and all that.

If by artists you mean "anime artists", then sure. Idealizing everything all the time is also a great way to produce boring and predictable work, if you're not actually producing something for a shallow, mass audience (entertainment industry in particular).

Also, I hoped I made it clear that by saying I find something like drawing childlike features on sexualized figures creepy, I am in fact speaking from my own perspective.

I ran into this today, thought I might as well share it as it seems to be relevant and up the OP's alley.

http://boingboing.net/2012/10/02/anastasiya-shpagina-real-li.html

Hehe, that woman is smack dab in the uncanny valley. We don't get that feeling from anime girls...at least I don't.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

No unless you are turned on by lolicon anime girls. Also liking teenagers does not make you a paedophile it makes you an ephebophile which is something different depending on age and country is still illegal(see statutory rape). Most things people call paedophilia is actually 3 different philias 1 of which actually being paedopilia. So no liking anime girls in general does not make a paedo I don't see why it is a question(provided it is not lolicon then you are in a current grey area in some places).

 

[SajuukKhar]

My opinion is no, it does not make your so, for the simple reason they are not real.

Liking anime girls does not make you a pedo for the same reason that liking stabbing people in the face with chainsaw guns in video games does not make you a psychopath.

 

[Relish in Chaos]

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Good point. Then again it shouldn't matter given that Ed is 13.

That's not the point, since even a lot of seemingly adult-looking females in anime are technically underage.

EDIT: Right, now that you've edited the picture to a full-body shot, I understand.

I ran into this today, thought I might as well share it as it seems to be relevant and up the OP's alley.

http://boingboing.net/2012/10/02/anastasiya-shpagina-real-li.html

Oh dear God, that freaked me the fuck out.

See, this is why you should keep fantasies just that: fantasies. Because let's face it, if you met someone like Bayonetta (not anime, but point still stands) or your typical anime girl, you'd probably be wondering if they'd been checked out by a doctor yet.

 

[Troublesome Lagomorph]

They're just drawings, at the end of the day. Nothing wrong with finding a girl in a drawing pretty.
Edit:

I ran into this today, thought I might as well share it as it seems to be relevant and up the OP's alley.

http://boingboing.net/2012/10/02/anastasiya-shpagina-real-li.html

My disgust knows no bounds.

 

[Lonan]

No, it doesn't and why the hell are we listening to Jim about these things?

Because of his belief in his divine wisdom, people somehow convince themselves he actually has divine wisdom. As opposed to, you know, shooting from the hip and making a show for the sake of entertainment.

 

[Lyri]

if you find killing human beings satisfying in games does that make you a psychopath murderer?

don't mix reality with fiction.

God damnit that is where I've been going wrong all this time.

Okay obviously this topic is much deeper than the title suggests and I've actually had this thought floating around my head for a while but The Jimquisition's recent episode made me decide to start this thread.

So this is just me, but I find anime girls (and most animated girls in general) very attractive. I'm not attracted to them to the level where it becomes too weird - at least I don't think I am but you can be the judge of that I guess - but if I were to decide to fantasize about a female fictional character I would definitely choose an animated one over one portrayed by an actress or whatever.

Anyway, there seems to be a lot of people who look at at such girls and find them very unsettling because to them they look like children with disproportionate breasts that shouldn't be on there. Which as a fan of anime I can say that's totally reasonable.

Now I realize that there is a lot of weird stuff in anime, and I'm not a fan of it all (personally can't stand big breasts I think they ruin the prettiness of the character.) And there's a lot of variables so such a topic can't really be generalized. But I'm just wondering, if I were to say that I were attracted to a girl character in an anime, and that character happened to be around an average teen age of 14-17 or whatever, which does happen, would that make me a pedophile or would you see me as a pedophile?

I'm 19 if anyone needs that context. And I'm still very much attracted to IRL girls if you need to know that too. And don't worry I'm not attracted to IRL children/young teens. (Please believe me, I'm not, I find that so gross.)

Why would it do that?
You're a man and men can find women attractive, in the case of anime it is usually a hyper sexualized female who looks incredibly young but has ample features on her body.
It doesn't really make you a paedophile because a teenage female drawing as enormous breasts, that is the point of her physique as you're supposed to be engaged in the anime for more than just the story, it seems to work too.

The really questionable stuff is when people start saying they find some of the characters who are lesser developed attractive, in my opinion it is hard to differentiate between someone who is of a legal age and someone who is a child sometimes.
Therefore I'm going with usually not it doesn't but some characters can be questionably drawn.

 

[FalloutJack]

No, it doesn't and why the hell are we listening to Jim about these things?

Because of his belief in his divine wisdom, people somehow convince themselves he actually has divine wisdom. As opposed to, you know, shooting from the hip and making a show for the sake of entertainment.

Okay look, I'll admit Jim says some things of relevance because he's clearly not an idiot. The gaming stuff seems pretty on the mark, but I haven't even wanted to look at most of his other videos because it didn't look like anything I wanted to hear him talking about. He's not an expert on anime. He's a purveyor of that rare element called common sense in the face of industry. The two are pretty mutually exclusive.

 

[GTwander]

No. They don't exist. You're no more a pedophile than someone that rubs one out to centaurs.

The law says differently -

In December 2008, a man from Sydney was convicted with possessing child pornography after sexually explicit pictures of children characters from The Simpsons were found on his computer. The NSW Supreme Court upheld[11] a Local Court decision that the animated Simpsons characters "depicted", and thus "could be considered", real people

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_cartoon_pornography_depicting_minors#cite_note-10

Sucks to be them, what can I say? There are good, bad and stupid laws out there.

That is beyond ridiculous.

So, I could essentially draw a stick figure with boobs, then write a caption next to it saying "she's 14!", and send it to every member of parliament to get them caught up for being pedos?

Revolution is starting to work in scary new ways.

 

[General Vagueness]

I like how the OP didn't say anything about being attracted to anime characters under 14 or 16 or 18 or anything (honestly I figured that's what the thread was about too before I read the it) but people are defending that.

 

[spartan231490]

Anime characters don't really look human, so no, I don't consider finding anime girls attractive equivalent to finding young real-life girls attractive. No more than being attracted to drawings with absurdly disproportionate eyes means you like humans whose eyes take up half their skull. It's just an art style.

Not only do they not look human, but they don't have childish proportions. This argument always confuses me because anime girls also have impossible hourglass figures, and children have very sticklike figures.

 

[DarkRyter]

Being sexually attracted to children makes you a pedophile.

Being sexually attracted to drawings does not make you a pedophile.

 

[Nouw]

An interesting question to ask considering Jim just released his new video. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/6361-Monster-Boobs-And-Plastic-Children]

Especially since OP states that said video inspired his question, eh?

Haha yes, quite >_>. Forgive me for skimming!

 

[GundamSentinel]

Then there's also the thing that pedophile =/= child molester. Too often are those two things used synonymously. By far, most pedophiles live perfectly normal lives without child abuse. Pedophilia is not necessarily harmful.

Neurologically, pedophilia is very similar to homosexuality (ooh, controversial...) or other kinds of what would be considered deviant sexual preferences. It's just the practicing pedophilia is not legal or accepted (obviously, with good reason) and homosexuality is merely often not accepted and only illegal in certain parts of the world.