If you find anime girls attractive does that make you a pedophile?
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Other than what everyone else said, I think arguments could be made that even if you like specifically lolita character designs, with small chests, stated ages of 6-12 years, and childlike behavior, it wouldn't necessarily make you a pedophie, since, the drawn characters are still entirely different from real children.KeikakuKat said:
So in the same way as furries are not necessarily zoophiles, since they are only attracted to a specific fetish that shows PARTIAL overlap with animalistic traits and adds it's own elements, likewise lolicons are not necessarily attracted to real children in general.
Fetishes are strange. It's possible to grow one that is entirely detached from reality, by getting used to some elements of sexuality that you weren't supposed to be biologically attracted to to begin with, and then shift the focus of the attraction to it. Like when you have been fantasizing so much about Leia in a metal bikini, that you are no longer fantasizing about Leia, but about the metal bikini. There are people who can after a time only get aroused from the act of watching videos on YouPorn, but not from having sex.
just want to point this out as far as the law goes if there is proof of age(IE the character depicted is said to be of legal age of creater of said character) its not considered child porn even though they make look younger then 18.
OT: yeah your no pediphile your i think the words otaku? not sure but it basicly means your a healthy male who like women waring skimpy outfits and/or big boobs. nothing wrong with that
OT: yeah your no pediphile your i think the words otaku? not sure but it basicly means your a healthy male who like women waring skimpy outfits and/or big boobs. nothing wrong with that
Ok. I've typed out my reply about three times now and gotten some sort of could not open socket BS. So this will now be short.
You're 19. I don't consider you a pedophile unless you're into under 10s.
You are assuming all female anime characters look like children, or at least teenagers. I disagree. I also think that if you're attracted to child-like anime characters but not actual children, it implies you are attracted to something other than their correlation to children, ergo not a pedophile. And liking child-like anime characters is fine in the same way that enjoying killing in games is fine in my opinion.
At one point, the Captcha was "I am fine". Could be a sarcastic cry for help from the Captcha entity, or just a practical joke to make me say it aloud and question my mental health.
You're 19. I don't consider you a pedophile unless you're into under 10s.
You are assuming all female anime characters look like children, or at least teenagers. I disagree. I also think that if you're attracted to child-like anime characters but not actual children, it implies you are attracted to something other than their correlation to children, ergo not a pedophile. And liking child-like anime characters is fine in the same way that enjoying killing in games is fine in my opinion.
At one point, the Captcha was "I am fine". Could be a sarcastic cry for help from the Captcha entity, or just a practical joke to make me say it aloud and question my mental health.
The law distinguishes between them, and since pedophilia is a crime. . . It is worth noting that in some countries like New Zealand, the age of sexual consent is 16, so that would actually be legal there, morally abhorrent, but legal.DoPo said:
Since all media is representation, though, and perhaps anime even more so than most, because all its characters are designed from the imagination of an artist, it is not something to get too worked up about. But, it is still worth asking yourself if it is healthy for you.
The issue that I think really bogs down the mediums are the authors or artists responsible for a female character's conceptualisation. I've been reading and watching manga and anime for too long now to let it go unsaid that the people who enable creators to objectify their own preferences & fantasies onto female characters - a lot of incorrigible fanboys - never challenge what they're given to enjoy. They become docile little cash cows who literally buy into a fantasy that was once personal until it becomes homogenised entertainment, but one that is unapologetically perverse. (Holy Knight fans, I'm looking at you.)Fappy said:That's a really good point actually. Personally, I have very different tastes in women in real life as opposed to fantasy women I may fancy in fiction. In fiction I prefer strong, independent women, almost dominatrix in personality/attitude. I don't like that extreme one bit in real life women. Not at all.DoPo said:Well, no, but since it's anime, she could be 13, for all I knowFappy said:I've been attracted to animated women and I don't think I'm a pedo. I generally like more adult oriented anime anyway. Does this character look like a child to you?
OT: Some people are quite capable of distinguishing between fiction and reality. If you're one of those people, then you may not be a pedophile. One can like specific type of porn (or other kind of fiction), without liking the same thing in real life. The criteria to be a pedophile is do you or do you not find yourself sexually attracted to young girls, generally ones that aren't teenagers yet. If not, then you aren't one. Taste in fiction is not really that definitive.
I like my women independent, sure. But not like that. XP
On the other end, the creators & sponsors have gotten high on their financial success, so from their perspective there's no problem. Psychologically, its a disgusting marvel.
OT; What's important here is what you guys have already summarised - you have to know that what's appealing to you and have a measure of control over it, instead of letting it control you. Personally, if I'd end up picking my jaw up off the floor over an animated female character depicted with a comely, coquettish appeal (whether that be a maid outfit, a fancy Mecha pilot uniform, body suit, dress assembled from rags, etc) its only because I'm thinking of the over-18, cosplay model equivalent!
No. You cannot be a child molester without having sex with a minor. Paedophilia is the sexual attraction towards pre-pubescent children, it doesn't stop you being one just because you do not act on it.Killertje said:
It's like saying a virgin can't have a sexual orientation until they have sex.
You still haven't explained what's wrong. You're just stating it is without elaborating. And you also didn't say how would one tell exact age at a glance. Furthermore, the age of consent is not 18 all around the world, not even most of the world. In Europe, it's mostly between 14 and 16, for example.Ryan Hughes said:
People who think "anime" woman look like children are ignorant of anime. There's usually a difference between how adults and children are drawn, as the adults often possess noticeable facial traits that the children do not. It can be subtle, but for the connoisseur it's usually pretty unmistakable too. This is why there's a clear distinction between loli art and other types of hentai. Obviously there are exceptions to everything, but then it's those same people who might generalize all anime to look a certain way that would be ignorant of the vast array of stylistic differences within anime.
Also, the DOA girls do not look like children. It annoys me when people say that, as they clearly don't understand that many of these characters are based off of youthful Asians with anime characteristics. To them that possibly translates to "child", but anyone who's had experience drawing children, anime, and Asian people can tell you there's a difference. If you put Kasumi's head on a child's body you'd probably notice something was off. In reality, it's no different than being attracted to a Ariel or Tiana. That's only some of the cast, too. Characters like Tina, who are obviously supposed to look American, have even more adult characteristics. What bothers me most is that people are so quick to judge others as pedophiles for simply finding a youthful facial type attractive. Hey, guys, there a REAL adult woman in this world who happen to look young for their age. That doesn't mean we should start slinging accusations of pedophilia (especially since ephebophilia would be a more accurate, if still potentially unwarranted, descriptor).
Also, the DOA girls do not look like children. It annoys me when people say that, as they clearly don't understand that many of these characters are based off of youthful Asians with anime characteristics. To them that possibly translates to "child", but anyone who's had experience drawing children, anime, and Asian people can tell you there's a difference. If you put Kasumi's head on a child's body you'd probably notice something was off. In reality, it's no different than being attracted to a Ariel or Tiana. That's only some of the cast, too. Characters like Tina, who are obviously supposed to look American, have even more adult characteristics. What bothers me most is that people are so quick to judge others as pedophiles for simply finding a youthful facial type attractive. Hey, guys, there a REAL adult woman in this world who happen to look young for their age. That doesn't mean we should start slinging accusations of pedophilia (especially since ephebophilia would be a more accurate, if still potentially unwarranted, descriptor).
You cannot tell exact age at a glance, especially not in media, because as I said, all media is representation, and this implies that there is also distortion. In real life, you simply have to ask the age of a woman if you are not sure.DoPo said:
Also, do you really need me to waste my time explaining to you about how children under the age of 18 have -on average- under-developed frontal cortices which inhibit decision-making, and even at the age of 18, this is questionable. Shall I explain to you how grass is green and how the sky is blue while I am at it?
Err how about the girls that are suppose to be an adult?
E,g, Nico Robin from One Piece is age 28 and she already look like an adult and the Major from Ghost in the Shell series is indeed an adult, both of whom I have an attraction to.
Still I can understnad what you mean since Yoko from Gurren Lagaan has a busty young lady body but yet she is official age 15.
E,g, Nico Robin from One Piece is age 28 and she already look like an adult and the Major from Ghost in the Shell series is indeed an adult, both of whom I have an attraction to.
Still I can understnad what you mean since Yoko from Gurren Lagaan has a busty young lady body but yet she is official age 15.
Chemical Alia said:
I wasn't talking about their conception nor about the artists here. Only about the viewer of the end product and what they may take from it.
As for the artists, they usually tend to make idolized aspects of humanity. The absolutely coolest, cutest, sexiest, etc. according to their ideas. "Creepy" is in the eye of the beholder and all that.
Reality has a lot of imperfections, but it makes up for it with character, and generally real relationships.
Also, we all know that porn can't simulate feelings or relationships.
If you go just by looks, anime wins because they are designed to look good.
So, by my logic, it's perfectly reasonable to enjoy anime girls.
Also, we all know that porn can't simulate feelings or relationships.
If you go just by looks, anime wins because they are designed to look good.
So, by my logic, it's perfectly reasonable to enjoy anime girls.
You're taking a general medical fact and trying to apply it absolutely across a set of general circumstances and slapping the label "morally abhorrent" on said circumstances. That's silly. You already distinguished that it's "on average". There are a multitude of variables I can think of that would grey the line in this case. The prefrontal cortex doesn't complete its development until around the age of 25 for crying out loud.Ryan Hughes said:
I'd say it's more TT than IKKI in that it takes itself seriously to a certain degree.Ishigami said:
Also, you need to realize that those series are beyond obscure from the "mainstream eye" while DoA has been long heralded as the "creepy beach voleyball game with boob physics" by the game media, so there's vast numbers of people who are actually aware it exists.
About the only people who'd know these series would be ecchi anime fans, DoA has been a name in gaming for over 10 years and has had many sequels and stuff and Ninja Gaiden is tied in there too. The audience of it is just massive by comparison.