Incest

[Lt._nefarious]

Is it morally wrong? Brother - sister, aunt - nephew, uncle - niece; all perfectly cool in my book so long as babies are not being made and everyone is legal and consenting because, hey, they ain't hurting anyone. Mother - son, father - daughter however is a bit less so, not that it's truly awful it's just not quite as morally grey...

Should it be banned? Maybe not outright, but it should be frowned upon and doing it without protection should be very illegal.

Does it disgust me? No, not really, so long as there's no offspring and it's... Clean. If I found out a friend was fucking his sister I'd be fine with it. Hell, if I had a sister that was attractive, legal age and consenting I wouldn't be totally against it...

 

[HalfTangible]

Yeah, there is some risk caused by incest, but stuff like the royal bloodlines (Where they try and keep their blood "Pure" for as long as possible) are just extreme cases, I don't think that if incest was legal that everyone would start having children with only people in their immediate families for multiple generations. It'd probably be a rare occurance that would most likely (I don't know the actual numbers) be less chance of causing defects than what some people can get for various problems like cancer risk or other things.

I'm saying it's wrong, not that it should be illegal. There is a difference.

It was just an example of long term forced incest that still yields genetically identical offspring, to show how the risk isn't going to be as high as "Every instance of incest will yield freaky babies with webbed feet" or something crazy. That said, if someone was to try and breed their family over 100 years, they may encounter at least some problems.

True, humans are at higher risk of genetic mutation when committing incest (If I recall correctly I believe it's something to do with how the embryo forms for humans) while animals are usually less likely to encounter such problems, it still would most likely require multiple generations of incest to cause most/any problems.

It's still a risk, and frankly saying "it's only bad if you do it in two/three generations in a row" strikes me as rather hypocritical for the first generation to try and tell their kids.

Sure, but societies morals are full of double standards and things that don't make sense. For example; it's socially acceptable for men to sleep around with many women and can often be congratulated for it yet if a woman goes around sleeping with many men she gets labled as a "Slut" which is a complete double standard.

You've heard of a 'manwhore', right? And how women who have dates that sleep around DON'T take kindly to their men sleeping around?

Even considering that though, this one admittedly IS a dumb double standard. But I think it comes from the fact that men can fertilize as many women as they can fuck, while a woman can only be fertilized by one person at a time. So there's at least a logical chain behind it. Unless there's no one outside of your family available (unlikely in a world where you can circumnavigate the world in a day, more or less) why would you screw your family?

That's not to say that everything society tells us is misleading, or incomprehensible though the stuff that makes sense tends to be the common sense stuff. In the end you do have to draw from many different areas to provide yourself with your morality.

Yes. What's your point?

 

[Something Amyss]

Of course, I have been trained to aid in giving genetic counselling for many different kinds of patients. From people with specific genetic conditions to those above a certain age (such as the case you mention) to those with a family history of genetic conditions to other risky cases, there is actually a significant number of couples who ought to be given genetic counselling. It's just not a very widespread practice.

This is one time I didn't read the rest of the thread, and it turns out I should have, as you mention this stuff later on. Cheers.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

OP: Yes, it is morally wrong, even without offspring. Yes incest should be outlawed and yes I find it disgusting espicially if its a granparent having sex with their grandson or granddaughter.

Well, it seems to me that "old people and sex, especially sex with young people" translates into "ewwwwww" in the minds of most people anyway, whether the couple in question is related or not...

While not incest, I have yet to hear people say "ewww" about Patrick Stewart(72) dating Sunny Ozell(34), or Al Pacino(72) dating Lucila Sola(33), which leads me to think that most people are not grossed out if the older person is popular enough.

 

[DugMachine]

Don't believe it should be banned/outlawed. As long as the two people doing it are above the legal age and consenting then by all means go for it. I'd advise not trying for a kid though...

Does it disgust me? Yes. I'm very liberal about things and where people like to rub their genitals but that is one thing I could never condone. Not even drop dead gorgeous twin on twin action... just creepy man. BUT, by all means live your life and I'll continue not fucking my cousins.

 

[Unstoppable Wall]

Well to be honest I guess the best way to answer this is saying that it isn't my cup of tea. That being said, it isn't really my place to judge what anyone else does in the bedroom.

 

[Raioken18]

It's disgusting and I can explain why. During childhood, children imprint on their parents, most often they identify with the opposite sex parent (this also extends to uncles, aunts and step parents around at the time), in order to better create their own criteria for a mate. The normal psychological process means that the two identify each other as non-compatible sexually. This also extends to children raised with those siblings up to the age of 12, later than that the imprinting process is similar to that between said child and their corresponding parent.

Now deviation from this process is associated with many negative psychological phenomenon. I.E. molestation, grooming, mental and physical abuse. The most common of these deviations is seen between father and daughter and has an extremely high association with abusive behavior from said parental figure. Other deviations include mother and son, older sibling and younger sibling etc.

So with the inherent psychological defect within these people and it's association with physical/sexual/mental abuse... none of you should be "ok" with incest.

For people arguing the "consenting adults" thing, long term grooming of their own children is very common with pedo's, so their relative partner may consent later in life, but it is still a reflection of a distorted upbringing and something that should never be legalized.

 

[TheLion]

For a starting definition so there's no confusion



For discussion:

-Is incest morally wrong?

Since I base my morals on whether or not people inflict physical or emotional pain, no.

-In the case of no possible offspring?

Nope

-With offspring?

Nope

-Should incest be legally banned?

Nope

-Does the act of incest disgust you?

Yes, but my opinion on incest shouldn't matter since it doesn't hurt anyone, unless it persists for generations which is unlikely in an increasingly urbanized world. Most people who are family have no sexual attraction to one another, unless they've been separated before the sibling-bonding or parental-bonding process is completed.

 

[Relish in Chaos]

I'm skeptical of people that talk about "genetic attraction" (especially when used as a justification for incest) in how humans are apparently hardwired to go after partners that looks similar to them...

Keep in mind that our brains are informed by our cohabitants regardless of blood-relations (specifically to mate with those who look like them, but not those particular specimens). Our mating desires can also be informed by other factors. And regardless, statistical tendencies found in studies of large groups tend to say very little about the individual e.g. just because women tend to be smaller and less muscular than men doesn't inform whether a specific woman will be a good marine.

Perhaps informed, but it doesn't necessarily translate into wanting to bang them. I'm just saying, I can't imagine ever finding anyone of my own race, let alone my mother or sister, sexually attractive. The only thing I'd want in common with a partner (in terms of appearance) is their weight (I'd say I'm of a fairly healthy size), and that's it. I don't care if they have red eyes, pink hair, or a mole on their thigh, as long as they look nothing like anyone I'm related to, because that's an instant turn-off.

I'm not comparing incest to homosexuality, rape fantasies, or urolagnia. Going by society?s definition, it seems that anything other than heterosexual sex is considered "deviant".

I would, in that none of these predilections should inform the law. Homosexuality, rape fantasies (played out between consenting adults), scat play, whatever, shouldn't be criminalized because its presence offends some people. Some kinds of sex play are risky, but so is jumping out of an airplane with a questionably-packed parachute, and that's plenty legal.

Yeah, I agree. It's just that there's an actual legitimate reason for outlawing incest in the case of baby-making, because of the high risk of both physical and mental debilitation. As I said, it would be tough for a child, as they're growing up, to get their head around the fact that their mother is also their sister, not to mention how that could affect their own relationships in the future.

 

[Seydaman]

Hmm.

Do you have siblings?

If so, if you found them emotionally/physically attractive, would you consider a romantic relationship? Assuming they also do.

If no, would you be fine with engaging in such a hypothetical relationship?

If engaged in such a relationship, would you tell people if they asked? Or keep it a secret on purpose?

Do you think there would be feelings of guilt? Or do you imagine yourself feeling fine/great?

 

[chinangel]

as someone who has, on several occasions, practiced sibling incest, I can say that I do not find it wrong, or disgusting or understand why it would be illegal. Sex between consenting adults is just that in the end: sex between consenting adults.

Really i don't see the issue here.

 

[jamail77]

For a starting definition so there's no confusion

Definition of incest
noun
sexual relations between people classed as being too closely related to marry each other.
Origin:
Middle English: from Latin incestus, incestum 'unchastity, incest', from in- 'not' + castus 'chaste'

It's from the Oxford Dictionary.

For discussion:

-Is incest morally wrong?
-In the case of no possible offspring?
-With offspring?

-Should incest be legally banned?
-Does the act of incest disgust you?

-Is incest morally wrong? I'm not sure how I feel honestly. On one hand, we are actually not only culturally conditioned to stray away from incest recent research says a majority of us may even be biologically conditioned. I forget a lot of the details, but basically it suggested that living with someone for so long in the same environment under those circumstances created a sort of sexaul deviation trigger in your brain psychology. You would not think of doing such things and would stay away from that sibling in circumstances that could create that urge. This is also linked to sibling rivalry and something about the way your siblings smell to you versus other people.

But, I'd have to go with no. The only things that condemn it fully are society and religious doctrine. Society over-emphasizes incomplete science that it is not knowledgable on to begin with due to their own repulsion.

-In the case of no possible offspring? The only real danger as someone already said is multiple generations of inbreeding. I don't the act of actual sex between siblings has health effects on just the two of them seeing as that's never been pointed out in any of the discussions I've heard about. Having a child once between siblings probably would not hurt their lineage too much even if it does weird me out a bit. I can't say for sure though seeing as I don't know much myself (sad considering my parents are doctors).

-With offspring? As long as they don't make a habit of having a lot of kids and raise the risk of giving one of them health problems later with each birth I think I'm fine.

-Should incest be legally banned? Isn't it already banned one way or another however flimsy or subtle those laws are between states in the U.S. or other countries' governments? I think there are a couple places it's stated as legal in clear writing but I don't remember. Again, I say no. My personal problems with it aside it doesn't really hurt anyone provided the couple follows the above guidelines.

-Does the act of incest disgust you? Eh, I don't know that it disgusts me. Wrapping my head around it leads to weird places is all.

 

[jamail77]

Hmm.

Do you have siblings?

If so, if you found them emotionally/physically attractive, would you consider a romantic relationship? Assuming they also do.

If no, would you be fine with engaging in such a hypothetical relationship?

If engaged in such a relationship, would you tell people if they asked? Or keep it a secret on purpose?

Do you think there would be feelings of guilt? Or do you imagine yourself feeling fine/great?

-Do you have siblings? Yes, I have siblings.

-If so, if you found them emotionally/physically attractive, would you consider a romantic relationship? Assuming they also do. Honestly, it never really crosses my head. I think once I thought about her physical attractiveness when my sister got dressed up for something, but it was a stray thought. I was mostly thinking how weird it was she dressed up like that for the thing she was going to. I don't remember the details, but the thought wasn't banging my head from the inside. I am emotiionally close to her but it's strictly in a close friends/sibling way.

-If engaged in such a relationship, would you tell people if they asked? Or keep it a secret on purpose? I don't think I'd tell people. I'm not afriaid to speak my mind that often or say controversial things but I'd rather not deal with the attention. The disgust I'd receive is not worth it either especially since I would be getting it from good people I know and I don't want to distance myself from them despite our conflicting views.

-Do you think there would be feelings of guilt? Or do you imagine yourself feeling fine/great? I'd imagine I'd be feeling guilty. I already have personal issues with it. If I somehow convinced myself it was okay those thoughts would still linger. I don't get over simple things easily like saying/doing something stupid or going through a breakdown I couldn't really control. So, that'd be much much worse for me. It would just linger and hammer away till that part of me conflicting me just vanished from my character completely; that's the only way I get over things completely: the thing about me causing it has to change.

 

[locoartero]

This thread is going to end well.

-Is incest morally wrong?

Nope.

-Should incest be legally banned?

Nope.

-Does the act of incest disgust you?

Yeah but provided no one is getting hurt it is none of my business.

I'm pretty liberal when it comes to this sort of stuff.

Agreed entirely.
Although I think that having a child from incest (however close the relation is that is considered statistically dangerous for the child) should certainly be banned.

Why? Look it up, the idea of an incestuous child being a hideous abomination is a misconception, unless WE ARE TALKING MULTIPLE GENERATIONS OF INCEST. Unless its progenitors are also the product of incest, all that will happen is that it will increase the chances of a genetic problem (over a non-incest) by about 2%. That's it, really. Game of Thrones got it right, unless you count being the most hateable person ever as a genetic defect

 

[BathorysGraveland2]

-Is incest morally wrong?

Yes

-Should incest be legally banned?

Yes

-Does the act of incest disgust you?

Most definitely

Care to state your reasons why? That's far too vague.

 

[AWAR]

-yes
-yes
-yes

-yes
-yes

There is no good and bad incest. Incest is wrong period.

 

[Kathinka]

to all the people that are like "uhhh but the chances of complications are slim, it would only be a problem after several generations."

no.

true, the chance for severe problems right of the bat are slim. but if a person born of incest finds a parter one day that is also the product of incest, even if the two aren't related, we are already in trouble.

genetics are complex, and there is a VERY GOOD reason why there are inhibitions and mechanisms and the westermarck effect in place precisely to prevent a healthy human being from boning his close relatives. ever thought of that?

 

[Aralaas]

-Is incest morally wrong?
No.

-In the case of no possible offspring?
No.

-With offspring?
Begrudgingly, I suppose so, but it's on the cusp really, though not out of contempt or the like, just the risks for the children. Genetic counseling would be a good idea though, and if the kids are in the clear then by all means, go right ahead. Although it's none of my business regardless.

-Should incest be legally banned?
Frak no.

-Does the act of incest disgust you?
Nope.

 

[Madara XIII]

Yeah no.
Just fucking no.

I don't even want to fucking think about Incest as that shit makes my skin crawl faster than a headcrab who just spotted Gordon Freeman.

 

[karamazovnew]

Why didn't you just say "blood brothers/cousins"? Because every other form of incest involves a huge age difference, possible pedophilia and abuse of authority. Anyway... We don't live in the pink world of ecchi anime. We live in the nightmarish world of the 5 o'clock news. Pray for sexy time with 2 hot twins all you want... meanwhile there's some crazy bastard abusing his unknowing, unwilling daughter. So, long story short, personal opinion:

-Is incest morally wrong?
YES

-In the case of no possible offspring?
Still YES

-With offspring?
Double so.

-Should incest be legally banned?
Isn't it already?!

-Does the act of incest disgust you?
Of course it does.