Industry Obsessed With "Gay Space Marines," Says Mafia 2 Producer
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ROFL, that made me burst out laughing, thanks man.Bigeyez said:
OT: Aren't the spare marines in Halo called Spartans? And weren't the Greek warriors known for their fellowship?
For that matter a gay relationship in ME1-2 would have been cool, but all things considered the relationships the female characters could get into weren't as developed IMO. Specifically in the second game. Nothing attractive about that green skinned dood. Zevran on the other hand; he had Style.
I am not a big shooter fan. I have played Dead Space (due to the horror elements) but not Gears Of War, so I admit I am speaking from second hand information and what I have heard other people say.mjc0961 said:
As I understand things, Marcus and Dom being a couple doesn't come from them simply being manly men who work together, or those jokes, but from innuendos in their interplay with each other. The big question being how far you have to read into some of the things that are said and the scenes are shot. Basically, that it's intended, but very subtle. Another person responding to this thread who was apparently gay even made a comment about how they would prefer that they be more overt about it than this kind of subtle implication, doubtlessly having heard the same things (or seen it first hand).
The differance with Issac, is that there were no implications at all. Oh sure, him being solitary makes that nearly impossible to begin with, but we're talking about the intent of the writers here. Issac being gay was not something intended to be projected, even in a subtle sense, by the makers of "Dead Space". On the other hand man-love WAS intended by the developers of Gears Of War.
A better example would perhaps be comparing "Gears Of War" to maybe "Army Of Two" (which I also haven't played). People joke around about "Army Of Two" involving a gay couple, heck Yahtzee based a big part of his review around that. However that's people trying to be funny, given that it's obviously not intended (being more of a "Buddy Cop" type thing with overdone mercenaries). With "Gears Of War" a lot of people seem to find the implications in the game, right there, and apparently intended, no projection needed or joking "re-interpetations" needed.
Apologies if this is still unclear. Truthfully you'd do better to have a discussion with other Gears Of War fans on the subject, and try and pin down some specifics, than trying to argue with me. One way or another, Gears Of War has apparently generated a certain reputatation that even non-fans and non-players have picked up on through the gaming community, and that is why it sticks out.
The writing in games generally bites. Hard.
It says a lot that many advocates of video games as an art form excitedly point to Metal Gear Solid 4 as the height of scripting excellence: in reality it isn't a good enough script for a Uwe Boll film, and it's pretentious to boot.
It says a lot that many advocates of video games as an art form excitedly point to Metal Gear Solid 4 as the height of scripting excellence: in reality it isn't a good enough script for a Uwe Boll film, and it's pretentious to boot.
Heresy! *BLAM*PaulH said:
More Heresy! *BLAM*Fetzenfisch said:
haha, well why not. Fight for your rights boys
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OT: I like Space Marines, that is all
Yeah yeah ... but look deep within yourself ... you know as well as I that no one here could turn down playing as an overly effeminant space marine in hot pink power armour whilst stabbing an ork in the gut with a "hello kitty" accessorized chainsword.One of Many said:Heresy! *BLAM*PaulH said:
More Heresy! *BLAM*Fetzenfisch said:
haha, well why not. Fight for your rights boys
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OT: I like Space Marines, that is all
Face facts ... that level of awesome would rock your world.
Starship Troopers was based off a book by the same name that was basically Heinlein's dissertation on the military, duty, and citizenship. It was not a parody of anything though the Mobile Infantry might be marineish, if the marines used power armor. If the movie made it into a parody, I am even more glad I have never seen it.PaulH said:
Denby Grace is an idiot. Not only has be basically used gay as a slur for the "gruff manly no bullshit soldier" archetype, but he ignores the fact that there are no actual gay space-marines... or videogame characters in general, save for clownish space marines. The closest there is to a gay character with any depth that I can think of off the top of my head is Zevran, and even he will age into a bit of a leather daddy.
Roight, here we go again. WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH HALO. Is really everybody jealous at Bungie? I think there are at least as many games about gangs killing other gangs as there are games about space marines killing aliens(or other space marines). BTW, everybody says people in Halo aren't interrested in women. you know why? there aren't than many women! just a few women of wich one is a computer programm and all the others are just wird bitches. there just not that many women in the army!
Damn you Heretic! Your hurting the GRIMDARK, stop it!PaulH said:Yeah yeah ... but look deep within yourself ... you know as well as I that no one here could turn down playing as an overly effeminant space marine in hot pink power armour whilst stabbing an ork in the gut with a "hello kitty" accessorized chainsword.One of Many said:Heresy! *BLAM*PaulH said:
More Heresy! *BLAM*Fetzenfisch said:
haha, well why not. Fight for your rights boys
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OT: I like Space Marines, that is all
Face facts ... that level of awesome would rock your world.
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Oooh ... I don't know. The whole idea that you have a militaristic society continually defeated by an alien insectoid race that had lacked a arms race had to be atleast some form of self parodisation. Or perhaps I looked at the book the wrong way <.<CitySquirrel said:
But there is a quite strong streak of the absurd in Heinlein's works ... take for instance Stranger in a Strange Land ... are you saying there was no humourous critique of human psychology and reasoning in that either?
You can either take Heinlein as a fascist idiot, or a guy with a subtle acknowledgement of the inherent flaws of Humanity ... I'm hoping it was a case of the latter rather than the former.
Ouch, that stings....joshuaayt said:
completely correct mind, though I too would like to see games that combine entertaining gameplay and storytelling. Of course he doesn't mean the 'gay' thing; he's just mocking the hyper-masculinity of these games, which, if you take a step back to examine them, are almost self-parody anyway.
I now want a game with actual gay space marines...not over the top gay of course, but a game about a space marine who happens to be gay. And they should only reveal it like halfway through the game, so all those homophobic fourteen-year-olds get the game, think it's awesome, only to realize *gasp* Grunty McSpaceMarine fucks dudes. Seriously, no one would see that coming.
Starship Troopers was mainly Heinlein's response to drafting, he felt that a society that required a draft didn't deserve to exist (if a nation was able to get enough volunteers to defend itself, then it had earned the right to continue). The society in Troopers is designed to promote benefits for those that serve in the army, such as citizenship. I wouldn't really call it fascist, per say, and Heinlein himself was a libertarian, it's more of an attempt to create a military-based society that still recognizes the right to serve or not to serve. The movie, however, cranks the Nazi factor up to 11, mostly because the director didn't actually read the book.PaulH said: