Inside the Sick Mind of a School Shooter Mod

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He said the purpose of this game is to tap into the experiences of playing GTA, or maybe Bulletstorm... But... Why not just play GTA? Or Bulletstorm? They'll be much more polished.

While I kind of support some of his views, this game is bringing nothing new to table apart from stigma.

I am disappoint.
 

Bakuryukun

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fisk0 said:
Bakuryukun said:
This is a very immature game, made by a very immature developer, I wonder if all the attention he's getting makes him feel smart? His answers certainly sound pretentious enough to give me that impression. Thanks buddy, for doing your part to prove to the masses that all videogames and gamers are a bunch of jaded, stupid, slack jawed idiots, and that developers are only making silly toys for man children to play for the sake of attention based off of shock-value.

The game doesn't even look that good, it's purely relying on it's edgy status to set itself apart.
As if the Xbox live community, Bulletstorm, Medal of Honor, Call of Duty, GTA, APB, Soldier of Fortune, Splatterhouse, Mafia II, the playboy games, the japanese rape games, and the majority of every other game in existence hasn't already conclusively proven that fact? I really don't see this doing anything that different except twisting the situation around a little. And that's not even by much.
Yeah your right, it isn't doing anything different from those games, that's not a point in your favor, that's actually the problem I'm trying to illustrate to begin with, to say "Other games aren't mature so I should just make the most immature game I can" is ridiculous and lazy from both a conceptual AND gameplay perspective.
 

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Sephychu said:
Can I just take you up on this point? Several people have made it. Don't take the following personally, I mean it to everybody.

Why is the wholesale slaughter of your fellows okay if they've done bad things? Nay, you've been told they've done bad things. Why does innocence even come into it at all?
You kill a man or woman, you take away somebody's son or daughter, somebody's brother or sister, somebody's best friend, someone's father or mother. You take a life.
Why is that fine and dandy if they're bad people?

Killing people is one of the only objective wrongs in this world, and nobody has any right whatsoever to do it, even in revenge. That makes you just as sad an excuse for a human being as anybody who has killed too.

So why then, is this in any way bad? By playing it, you aren't killing anybody, you're putting yourself in that mindset, for fun. If you wanted to go out and do it for fun, you would. Instead, one plays a game about it.
Some people don't join the army, they play Call of Duty, or Bulletstorm, or whatever the hell they like. Games in which you kill people are nothing new. They're archaic.

This game has every right to be made, played and enjoyed, just like films about this kind of thing, just like paintings of this kind of thing, just like books about this kind of thing. If you don't like it, fine. 'The medium' as it is called should be allowed to depict anything it wants any way it wants.

Oh, and to all you people quoting Extra Credits, I got the impression from their video on 'Six Days in Fallujah' that they regarded games that dealt with touchy subject matter as good things, not bad things. Just some food for thought.
This was an excellent post. The fact also remains, that in many - if not most - school shootings, the shooters don't consider their victims innocent. Reasons vary of course, but if you read the writings of the Columbine shooters, the two finnish shooters and many of the other shootings in the last decade, they consider themselves the victims of either the people at the school or the society as a whole, and act against the people they somehow have concluded are the cause.
This mod might not be something that will be significant in the history of gaming - other school shooter games have been made - but I think this, and many other hard topics have to be explored before video games can evolve as an art form.
 

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The simple fact of the matter is, I think a lot of what there is to say about this has already been said. I think it's a bit ridiculous, but it IS his right to make it. I'm a tabletop gamer as much as a console and pc gamer, and I'd hate to see people pulling Vampire off the shelves because of a few people who are out-of-touch with reality who play it.

I think this guy just doesn't realize this isn't really much of a "preventative" game, but simply fueling the fire. You indulge the people who want to do this and it merely encourages them.

However, I was suspected to be one of the kids that WOULD go in a start shooting because I was the one who was always picked on. I realize a lot of people can say the same, but some people actually admonished others by saying I could come in with a gun if they don't stop. The thing is, they usually wouldn't stop. Now I never shot anybody, but really, its a lot of that bullying mentality that causes shootings, and the line of "innocent" in those situations really get blurred. Not saying I condone the action or think those kids deserve to be shot, but we really should be thinking more about the effect that it has on people.

Anyway, I'm getting a bit off-track. Basically, I just think it's our responsibility as consumers to give this subject as LITTLE attention as possible. If we don't acknowledge it and don't support it, it's likely just to stay out of the spotlight and run its course. Most of us won't get it, those of us who like mayhem will, and the few psychos out there will get their hands on something like this whether this mod gets made or not.

My big problem is this: Yes. School shootings happen. Yes, it's bad. Do I think we should make a game about it? No. Why? This is one step above making a game where a psycho goes into an elementary school and starts hurting kids. Or people go in with a bomb and hold classes hostage. This happens too, people. It's a sad fact, but it HAS happened before. There are cases of it. Should we make a game about that, too, then?

Part of being a self-aware species is knowing when we've gone too far. All we can really do is not encourage people who come up with bad ideas like this. How do we do that? By not giving them the attention they're craving. If this reaches Fox or some other major TV news network, you know this guy is getting -exactly- what he wants. So lets just do all we can to ignore this, okay?
 

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Bakuryukun said:
fisk0 said:
Bakuryukun said:
This is a very immature game, made by a very immature developer, I wonder if all the attention he's getting makes him feel smart? His answers certainly sound pretentious enough to give me that impression. Thanks buddy, for doing your part to prove to the masses that all videogames and gamers are a bunch of jaded, stupid, slack jawed idiots, and that developers are only making silly toys for man children to play for the sake of attention based off of shock-value.

The game doesn't even look that good, it's purely relying on it's edgy status to set itself apart.
As if the Xbox live community, Bulletstorm, Medal of Honor, Call of Duty, GTA, APB, Soldier of Fortune, Splatterhouse, Mafia II, the playboy games, the japanese rape games, and the majority of every other game in existence hasn't already conclusively proven that fact? I really don't see this doing anything that different except twisting the situation around a little. And that's not even by much.
Yeah your right, it isn't doing anything different from those games, that's not a point in your favor, that's actually the problem I'm trying to illustrate to begin with, to say "Other games aren't mature so I should just make the most immature game I can" is ridiculous and lazy from both a conceptual AND gameplay perspective.
You're certainly right. I don't see this mod as being worse than the previously mentioned stuff - but there are some really huge problems with games as a medium today, and I guess people have to be shocked in order to start to think about it.
Misogyny and homophobia is perfectly OK. Killing is perfectly OK as long as long as the people at the other end of the barrel aren't american soldiers or students.
 

Rewdalf

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Bakuryukun said:
Rewdalf said:
I like to think of this as a response to the media's belief that all games are murder simulators...
Well, here's a murder simulator, and it probably wouldn't have been made if it wasn't for the demonization of violent video games...
Except that by the developers own admission it isn't, this game wasn't made with any agenda in mind, it was simply made to be "cooooool and edgy, man" even if it was, it hardly seems like an intelligent way to go about making a point about the topic.
Well, how many intelligent arguments have been brought up in support of video games? When those don't work, then I guess we're left with this...
And I said I like to think of it as a response to the media. It isn't a bulletproof one, and it may just accomplish the opposite, but for some reason I think that its existence is justified...
As for the developers and the game itself, I think this whole thing is crossing a few bounderies, but I'm not offended by it.
Since by the looks of it they're being allowed to do this, I'm in support of free speech, no matter how stupid that speech is...
 

Fiz_The_Toaster

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My head hurts after reading that interview. I didn't care so much about the mod itself as I was with who would want make it, and honestly, I'm kinda surprised. That guy is an asshole and I don't see the point of the mod, wish fulfillment perhaps...?

I'm not going to sit here and pretend to be ok with him making it, I'm not because it's disgusting.

Does he have the right to do that? Yes.

Am I okay with it? Hell no.
 

Tharwen

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The thing is that he's right. We do like jumping a room full of defenceless NCPs.

I also can't think of a moral difference between this and any war game.
 

fisk0

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internetzealot1 said:
I'd be interested in playing it if it were skinned as something less bat-shit crazy.
Even though the developer claims to have no agenda with the game, it's easy to get the impression that this is the point.

That guy at Destructoid put it to words pretty well (source: http://www.destructoid.com/school-shooter-the-case-for-sick-videogames-195296.phtml ) :
"Yet, here's a game that is dedicated entirely to that harmless endeavor, and we paint it as sick and sociopathic. Why? Because it's set in a school? Do you have any idea how arbitrary that is? Whether it's in a school, on a battlefield, in space or on the streets of Liberty City, you're still pretending to kill humans.

You know what screams sociopathic to me? Excuses. People who kill others and then attempt to justify their actions by saying, "Well THAT was different." Looking for pity and trying to excuse one's behavior is the mark of a true sociopath. I do not think that School Shooter is sick in any damning sense of the word. I think it's refreshingly honest.

What School Shooter does is utilize the basis of our most popular videogames -- the taking of human life -- and strip away the bullshit excuses and justifications. It's a violent digital playground in which you're encouraged to take out your aggression on soft human bodies. In essence, this is the premise of hundreds of videogames. All this game does is take out the weak excuses for the violence."
 

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Well, now that I've calmed down a little and can talk about what I've read without cursing, let's give it a try.

The concept of this mod is unpleasant but that's how the world is. Everything can exist, whether pleasant or not, useful or not, supportive of what we believe or not. Whether we're able to see it or be affected by it is something else again. Pawnstick (interesting how he won't let his identity be known) has helped create something revolting. Fine. A great deal of what is out there could be classified the same way. This is just one more turd in the punchbowl.

What angers me is his perception of gaming and how a) we're all a "generally misguided, highly reactionary lot", b) that children should not be exposed to violent videogames (which kind of flies in the face of the mod as a whole as mods are not controlled by rating systems and thus, cannot be monitored), and c) that most games boil down to "murder simulators" and "bang-bang shoot 'em ups" with crude humour, dumb writing, and ultraviolent game play.

Thank you, Mr. Pawnstick. Thank you oh so very much for continuing to perpetuate the cliche that represents that gaming community, that all gamers are childish thrill seekers who have no moral compass and who deserve to be treated as children, having their entertainment controlled by the government so they don't hurt themselves or anyone else. I'm quite glad to know that those who hate everything that I admire in games (and by this, I mean decent narrative, quality gameplay, and well orchestrated game mechanics with content that critiques and challenges the world around me) are willing and able to actually create something so foul that I don't even feel fascinated enough to go and look at it because I already see feces when I use the toilet.

Folks, this man is not stupid. Jack Thompson was stupid. The politicians who proposed the various legislation to attack videogames acted stupidly. But this man and those like him are smart.

You don't craft something like this by being stupid. Pawnstick states his beliefs clearly, concisely, and with great feeling. And he and his chums have created something that is designed to draw the public eye and enforce the beliefs that he has stated. They're going to get their time in the spotlight if they haven't already (this article came online five hours ago. If Fox News hasn't discovered it by breakfast time tomorrow, I'll be shocked) and they're going to lay into gaming with everything they have.

It'll be interesting to see if the gaming community lives down to this cliche or if it can resist the urge to give Pawnstick and his fellows a chance to point their fingers and say, "See?"
 

ischmalud

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dont really understand what the big deal is??
wht happened to the idea of free speech, and im pretty sure fox news "proved" that columbine was the fault of marylin manson and other baaad baad bands - so happydays everything is solved. Not quite sure bout the title of this article tho, everything i read seemed quite logical and straight forward couldnt really see anything sick in what the guy said, but maybe thats just me.
....and yea if i dont forget about it which i probably will anyway since the shock value isnt really that great i might give it a shot - why not?
would like to know tho howmany of the people condeming this mod whole heartedly in this forum now, blasted their way through the civilian crowd in MW2 - oh let me guess they russians so its ok.......
 

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Wow. I don't know what to say about this. The guy makes a fair argument about why the game isn't the worst thing ever, but i disagree with his opinions.
 

fisk0

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Living Contradiction said:
What angers me is his perception of gaming and how a) we're all a "generally misguided, highly reactionary lot", b) that children should not be exposed to violent videogames (which kind of flies in the face of the mod as a whole as mods are not controlled by rating systems and thus, cannot be monitored), and c) that most games boil down to "murder simulators" and "bang-bang shoot 'em ups" with crude humour, dumb writing, and ultraviolent game play.
I think he is spot on when it comes to a lot of issues. A. The average gamer generally comes across as reactionary and aggressively irrational, based on the loudest people on the online services.
B. He mentions that the source engine games, which this mod utilizes, are generally rated for mature audiences - so, if children wouldn't get their hands on those games, they couldn't run the mod. No, Portal, which isn't rated mature, does not include the source SDK that you need in order to run source mods.
C. Would you honestly say he's wrong about that? Sure, there are occasional exceptions, but most of the best selling titles boils down to exactly that.