Internet Petition Demands Dark Souls Drop GFWL
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Read right above your post. There's also some connection issues games that have used it had.idarkphoenixi said:
I do have to wonder who thinks "we need a DRM service for our PC game" and then thinks "Games for Windows Live". It just seems illogical.
Edit: Oh, just remembered, Microsoft likes to buy things from Namco Bandai. Thats probably why.
[link]http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/111156-Microsoft-Bought-Tales-of-Vesperias-360-Exclusivity[/link]
Looks like were fucked. Cracked .exes and custom servers it is then.
Edit: Oh, just remembered, Microsoft likes to buy things from Namco Bandai. Thats probably why.
[link]http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/111156-Microsoft-Bought-Tales-of-Vesperias-360-Exclusivity[/link]
Looks like were fucked. Cracked .exes and custom servers it is then.
Well, let's put it this way: say you've been wanting to have a baby for some time, and adoption isn't really an option for you. Then, say, a witch graciously offers you the solution, in exchange for your soul when you die. You agree.
Hours after the birth, the baby sneaks out of its room and stabs you in your sleep.
Swearing at your computer monitor and muttering about how the online guide didn't mention that part, you hit the reload button, but then it turns out GFWL corrupted your save files.
DO YOU REALLY WANT THIS TO HAPPEN?
Hours after the birth, the baby sneaks out of its room and stabs you in your sleep.
Swearing at your computer monitor and muttering about how the online guide didn't mention that part, you hit the reload button, but then it turns out GFWL corrupted your save files.
DO YOU REALLY WANT THIS TO HAPPEN?
What good is a port that won't run? Because that is the situation some PC users find themselves in when they realize a game they bought use GFWL. And there's rarely any help to get from MS.Valdus said:
There are plenty of other bugs and quirks associated with GFWL, for instance that server reliability and uptime is poor in some countries.
I feel like the only person who doesn't have a problem with GFWL. I've used it many times before and while it can make things a little difficult to get the ball rolling was you learn its foibles it generally works alright. While I would much rather get the game on steam (steam community and ingame) I don't really mind either way.
So bombarding the dev's inbox with emails is less annoying then a bunch of people signing one mass letter?soulfire130 said:
Ah GFWL. What a piece of crap. Ruined Section 8: Prejudice. Cannot complete a single game, GFWL always decides that i dont need to complete the match and DC's me.
SargentToughie said:
I'll be honest and say it was hard trying to find a example (which I apparently failed at doing). What I was trying to get at was there has to be another way of letting the devs know about the consumers disapproval other than having a petition say "Change this NOW!" That's all I'm saying.
I am still looking forward to this game on the PC, which by all accounts should be a much better version than either console version. I don't want GFWL, I hate it. But I will suffer it to play this game on my PC. As soon as I heard that it will be getting a definite PC release, I shelved my PS3 version.
I don't think people understand the concept of baby steps. We want them to feel that the PC is a worthwhile platform and that means helping them along and not offering ultimatums like, "Steam or No Sale". That is just stupid. I have mostly not had any problems with GFWL with a few exceptions, so I'm hoping this gets by without issues. When push comes to shove, it's not always fun to be invaded, and I never bother invading anyone. The only time I get help on the game is when I really am having trouble with a boss.
I'm not out to alienate them so we don't get future games from them. They do have another Souls game in the works and I would love for them to have a PC version out of the gate. Truth be told, if GFWL is a problem they will hear about it from customers. Worst case scenario, you just play solo. Which contrary to popular belief, doesn't change the game experience all that much. It's not really an integral part of the game as much as it is a cool feature.
I don't think people understand the concept of baby steps. We want them to feel that the PC is a worthwhile platform and that means helping them along and not offering ultimatums like, "Steam or No Sale". That is just stupid. I have mostly not had any problems with GFWL with a few exceptions, so I'm hoping this gets by without issues. When push comes to shove, it's not always fun to be invaded, and I never bother invading anyone. The only time I get help on the game is when I really am having trouble with a boss.
I'm not out to alienate them so we don't get future games from them. They do have another Souls game in the works and I would love for them to have a PC version out of the gate. Truth be told, if GFWL is a problem they will hear about it from customers. Worst case scenario, you just play solo. Which contrary to popular belief, doesn't change the game experience all that much. It's not really an integral part of the game as much as it is a cool feature.
I love Steam, but "no Steam or no sale" applies to say many games no it's not funny, and Steam's monopoly is not a good thing for the industry. I for one am more disappointed than angry in Origin, for example; what could have been genuine competition for Steam from a big name in the industry is instead an intrusive and much maligned piece of trash. Same with GFWL - both show potential, and both are held back by wildly illogical design decisions.
I'd rather every game was either sold without DRM, or sold on a wide variety of platforms. "Steam or bust" just reeks of pettiness, but it's also a dangerous sort of petty; the kind that sees a lot of games from a lot of developers sweeped under the carpet because they aren't selling on Steam. It's stupid, and it gives Steam a hand up that it hasn't earned.
I'd rather every game was either sold without DRM, or sold on a wide variety of platforms. "Steam or bust" just reeks of pettiness, but it's also a dangerous sort of petty; the kind that sees a lot of games from a lot of developers sweeped under the carpet because they aren't selling on Steam. It's stupid, and it gives Steam a hand up that it hasn't earned.
Actually, I can't think of anything more civilized then a petition. And it's not so much a case of them saying "Change this NOW" as much as it is them saying "Change this or we won't buy your game".soulfire130 said:
Would you rather them just pull a Retake Mass Effect and sent Namco 400 cupcakes, except all the icing was replaced with poo? It's a perfectly good cupcake underneath, and Namco might have wanted this brand of cupcake for a long, LONG time, but the poo on top totally ruins it as a whole.
... I wonder where exactly in my train of thought my pointing at Retake Mass Effect turned into an analogy for GFWL... I swear it wasn't intentional when I started typing this post.
SargentToughie said:
I understand. Its just that it feels like people will form a petition over everything.
Also, the Retake Mass Effect thing is still on everyone minds right now so it undertandable to have used it as an analogy.
In your scenario yes, dick move. Now if we exacerbate on it a bit, and me and my 97,000 friends were waving money in front of you to make us that special cookie. You relent and make that cookie, and while making it, you accidentally and not to your knowledge grab the cayenne pepper, the lid falls off while you're not watching, and bake it up. Now, don't get me wrong, a few people may like this different taste. But the vast majority are going to get burned. Same principle as not everything free is good: if someone leaves a bag of dog shit on your porch, that's free but undesirable. Since money is involved, we can't really use kindness of our hearts as arguments, which kind of kills what I just mentioned.AnarchistAbe said:
Maybe it wasn't even an accident. Maybe you thought I like cayenne pepper in cookies. What the petition is showing is that no, we do not like that flavor. Not in my cookies.