Is Steve Jobs the 2nd Greatest Innovator of All Time?

ReverseEngineered

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Greg, I agree 100%.

Steve Jobs was a visionary and a great business man, but he was not an inventor. In fact, Apple invented very little of anything. Most of the innovations attributed to them were invented in the 70s and 80s by Xerox, but Apple was the first ones to really make use of it. Even their most famous platform, the iPhone, is not a particularly innovative device. Every single part of it had been done by others years in advance. The one thing they did was provide a cohesive user experience. This was definitely something that was not done well by others and it made for a much better device. Still, that's hardly the most innovative thing that has happened in the last 200 years and you sure can't give Jobs all the credit for it.

You want to know what's revolutionary? Calculus. Sure, you can't attribute it to one person, but boy did it ever have an affect on the rest of the scientific world for centuries to come. Almost everything in physics, chemistry, electronics, and other physical sciences relies on calculus; without it, we would be nowhere.

Medicine is another; before we started to understand cells, bacteria, and antibodies, medicine consisted of blood-letting, trepanning, and the ingestion of assorted plants whose effects were largely misunderstood. Medicine has made life better for all of us. You can thank Alexander Flemming, Louis Pasteur, and many others for building a science-based medicine that has saved millions of lives and improved the lives of us all.

And since this whole topic got started from a company that makes computers, let's not forget the discovery of electricity and the invention of the transistor. Both of these involved far more time, effort, and ingenuity than anything Apple ever designed.

To pin down one man and say, "He was a great inventor," is to misunderstand how invention occurs. The best inventions and discoveries of our times were rarely the work of just one person. The most important innovations in history were the culmination of works by many people over decades. This is what we have to foster: a community of scientific research.
 

Marcus Kehoe

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This is quite sad. Where was this poll taken, Facebook?

The lack of Tesla only shows that the people responsible for this list are incompetent.
 

Shidira

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This list is terrible, especially since Zuckerberg, Jobs, and Earhart are on this list and people like Tesla, Ritchie, Archimedes, and Gutenberg aren't on here. Makes me sad for our future.
 

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I began to write a massive diatribe, but realised that everything had already been said over and over again and I did not add anything new. A system that apotheosise psychopaths, sociopaths, liars, thieves, and general assholes is a broken one. No wonder the world is going to hell in a handbasket. I really believe that we are fast approaching the singularity of idiocy, and it will all come to a very messy end.
 

Dark Prophet

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For the fuck sake US, I know there are idiots evrywhere, but you seem to be the only one whos proud of theirs.
 

Flac00

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Greg Tito said:
Innovation doesn't mean invention, they are different. Steve Jobs was not much of an inventor, however he was an innovator. For Thomas Edison, he didn't create the first lightbulb, he simply made the first useful and popular one. Marconi didn't create the first wireless communication, he was the first to bring it into the real and useful world. Not to mention a few people on that list didn't create anything yet they are still innovators (kind-of). Amelia Earheart wasn't even that good of a pilot, but she innovated the field to allow for more women to join. Mark Zuckerburg didn't create the internet or social networking, but he brought it to the masses.
Steve Jobs may not have been the greatest innovator in the world, but don't treat him like his actions did not effect society so heavily. He innovated the computer industry (Apple 2, iMac, MacBook, ect.), music industry (iTunes and the iPod), Phone Industry (iPhone), Tablet industry (iPad), even the mobile gaming industry (App Store). This man has created so many revolutions in technology that he deserves a place in the history of innovation along with many of the others.
 

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Tanis said:
Steve Jobs was about as 'innovate' as Zynga.
Really? Whens the last time you bought a CD? The last time you saw a phone without a touch screen. The last time you opened an application on your computer using text based input? This guy changed everything A LOT, you can't suddenly discredit him just because you don't like Apple products.
 

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Dexter111 said:


This is literally the first and only thing that went through my head when I saw the article title...

This is the second:

Mmhm. So do you like using your mouse? Cause without Steve Jobs no one would be using one right now since Xerox certainly wasn't gonna do anything with that. Have you bought that many CD's (or at least known about other people commonly buying them) in recent memory? Cmon man, just because he perfected an idea means that he stole it? Do you know how many famous innovators we know who didn't invent anything? Ironically, you are sounding more "hipstery" by decrying the actions of a man who has INNOVATED constantly. Open your eyes, much of what we take for granted may never have existed had it not been for him and the after effects of his actions.
 

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Flac00 said:
Tanis said:
Steve Jobs was about as 'innovate' as Zynga.
Really? Whens the last time you bought a CD? The last time you saw a phone without a touch screen. The last time you opened an application on your computer using text based input? This guy changed everything A LOT, you can't suddenly discredit him just because you don't like Apple products.
MP3 Player in it's current form - Creative Labs (Not Steve Jobs)
Touch Based Phone Interface - Palm Inc (Not Steve Jobs)
Graphical User Interface - Xerox Labs (Not Steve Jobs)

We can discredit him, because we know where all his so called "innovations" came from.
Heck alot of people actually owned them before Jobs encased them in white plastic and marked up the price.
 

Njaard

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I don't always make polls of who's been the greatest inventor of all time

But when I do, they don't include Nicola Tesla.


/facepalm.
 

Tanis

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Flac00 said:
Tanis said:
Steve Jobs was about as 'innovate' as Zynga.
Really? Whens the last time you bought a CD? The last time you saw a phone without a touch screen. The last time you opened an application on your computer using text based input? This guy changed everything A LOT, you can't suddenly discredit him just because you don't like Apple products.
I have NOTHING against Apple, even if they are overpriced (like Alienware), but I DO have an issue with 'Bill Mayes' types that don't MAKE anything but are claimed to have done so.

Steve Jobs was a great SALESMEN, but he didn't make a damn thing and crushed anyone who called him out for it...
He was a jerk who gained 'sainthood' in much the same way that insane jerk 'mother Teresa' did - a fantastic PR department.
 

Zaverexus

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Can we please stop worshipping Steve Jobs? He didn't invent anything except, indirectly, an interface that happened to catch the chrome-seeking eye of the average badly informed consumer zombie. And once he found that, he rereleased if fifty times with no further innovation besides size change. And then his company was so fixed on sales and profit that they force you to only use their own music, ap, etc programs. The consumer satisfaction with unchanging shiny products has been if anything a cancer to real innovation.
 

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One of my pet peeves is triggered right here:
"While he did great and wonderful things, most of his work was in the 1880s."

Don't Call something the Greatest X of All Time if you only mean "of the last 50 years." And also don't call something the Greatest X of All Time when you only mean "in the US and UK."

The Greatest Songs of All Time!...are somhow only from after 1955? and almost all of them are American and British? Really?
The greatest innovators of all time don't involve people from China or India?

Whatever.
 

BlackStar42

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Flac00 said:
Tanis said:
Steve Jobs was about as 'innovate' as Zynga.
Really? Whens the last time you bought a CD? The last time you saw a phone without a touch screen. The last time you opened an application on your computer using text based input? This guy changed everything A LOT, you can't suddenly discredit him just because you don't like Apple products.
Lets see... a month ago, 5 minutes ago, yesterday, respectively. He was a great salesman, I'll give him that, and he knew how to get people to get shit done, but the man never personally invented anything.

Manji187 said:
So, the Escapist's list would be?

1. Nikola Tesla
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1. Nikola Tesla
2.Fritz Haber
3.Alan Turing
4.Tim Berners-Lee
5.John Logie Baird
6.James Watt
7.Norman Borlaug (the poor guy deserves much more recognition)
8.Marie Curie
9.Frank Whittle
10.The team who designed the Saturn 5 rocket
 

Agayek

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Nouw said:
I thought Thomas Edison copied everyone's ideas. Damn it school education and internet clashing!

EDIT:I remember what the book I read was going on about now. I don't think it's fair to name someone as the greatest innovator since many times in history two or more people are working on the same idea near the same time.
Eddison didn't copy ideas, per se, but he did collaborate on quite a few of his inventions.

That said, Nikola Tesla really should have been #1 through #4 on that list. He's by far the greatest inventor in human history.
 

Canyoureadmydeadpan

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Manji187 said:
So, the Escapist's list would be?
WHAT IT PROBABLY WOULD BE:

1. Nikola Tesla
2. Nikola Tesla
3. Nikola Tesla
4. Nikola Tesla
5. Nikola Tesla
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Ok, jokes old.

How would you judge that? By personal impact in everyday life good or bad?

However it's decided I think Penn and Teller make a persuasive case for who I easily consider #2.
Skip to 2:31 to find out who Norman Borlaug is...


He is KINDA amazing
 

Snotnarok

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Innovative? People are mental he stole, he lied, he restricted every device his company made.