Is Steve Jobs the 2nd Greatest Innovator of All Time?
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Front men always, always, get more credit then they are due. But we are an imaged obsessed society so we get people like that. Bill Gates seems like his more of an innovator. His charity work is outstanding. We have to remember technology is more then just pieces of equipment it's know of how to use, support and build it and everything else that came before.
Like everyone else in this forum, I'm pissed of at some of the people on the list. But I don't really feel that there's anything more to say about that so...
I would probably put Alfred Nobel on the list. A great innovator and inventor, he successfully both invented dynamite and marketed it to the world. He also inspired and helped untold numbers of future scientists, inventors and such by creating the Nobel Prize. Just saying, feels like a pretty good candidate to me, though I personally would probably would vote for Tesla.
I would probably put Alfred Nobel on the list. A great innovator and inventor, he successfully both invented dynamite and marketed it to the world. He also inspired and helped untold numbers of future scientists, inventors and such by creating the Nobel Prize. Just saying, feels like a pretty good candidate to me, though I personally would probably would vote for Tesla.
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While I'm just showing that technically, Steve should be below Edison who should be below Telsa and etc. I don't think this is a list of innovators, its a list of very popular people, not of innovation.
Also, where in the hell is Bill Gates, at least in the bottom of the list, he did great things.
Apple's first mouse was made in 1986, and it was called the Apple Desktop Bus. This mouse was relitevily square, but was able to keep its head above the water, unlike the two other examples. It had its wire coming out the front, reverse of what the past ones have been like. As far as I can tell, the only difference between them was the fact that one was commercially successful, and the others failed to be so.
Yes, Apple is innovative because they have buisness smarts. /sarcasm/
Heres a wikipedia article on the matter for reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouse_(computing)#Early_mice
Then another source for you, however, I have not read through it, but it should back up my statement in full: http://www.ideafinder.com/history/inventions/compmouse.htm
I agree. You see, Steve Jobs changes to the world will probably fade in a total of ten years. Thomas Edison's / Telsa's innovation can lasted about one hundred and thirty two years we have been using electricity.Tanis said:
While I'm just showing that technically, Steve should be below Edison who should be below Telsa and etc. I don't think this is a list of innovators, its a list of very popular people, not of innovation.
Also, where in the hell is Bill Gates, at least in the bottom of the list, he did great things.
Sorry, I had to edit in the names after 1 because it looked so sad without a name near those numbers. Also, may I ask, should we be heavily biased to Nikola Tesla since were on this site.. Or? Is it peer pressure.Manji187 said:
He never innovated, at all, in the history of ever. We can even go back far, far back to the original track ball, it was never pateneted, but it was made in 1952 by Tom Cranston, Fred Longstaff and Kenyon Taylor. Then we can go even further in and find the first mouse prototype, made by Douglas Engelbart in 1963. The term "Mouse" was made because, originally, because the device had the wire coming out towards the user, not away. Now lets go and find the first Apple mouse.Flac00 said:
Apple's first mouse was made in 1986, and it was called the Apple Desktop Bus. This mouse was relitevily square, but was able to keep its head above the water, unlike the two other examples. It had its wire coming out the front, reverse of what the past ones have been like. As far as I can tell, the only difference between them was the fact that one was commercially successful, and the others failed to be so.
Yes, Apple is innovative because they have buisness smarts. /sarcasm/
Heres a wikipedia article on the matter for reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouse_(computing)#Early_mice
Then another source for you, however, I have not read through it, but it should back up my statement in full: http://www.ideafinder.com/history/inventions/compmouse.htm
Here is my list I just made up ;D
1. Archimedes
2. Leonardo Da Vinci
3. Albert Einstein
4. Nikola Tesla
5. Norman Borlaug
6. William Shakespeare
7. Galileo Galilei
8. Richard Feynman
9. Charles Darwin
10. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
1. Archimedes
2. Leonardo Da Vinci
3. Albert Einstein
4. Nikola Tesla
5. Norman Borlaug
6. William Shakespeare
7. Galileo Galilei
8. Richard Feynman
9. Charles Darwin
10. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
Refines ideas is praised as one of the greatist innovater
***** PLEASE
Nikola Tesla invented hundreds of amazing inventions he innovated on almost everything
and mark zukerberg hes a fucking retard he had to drop out of computer science cus he couldnt do it and even if what did he create a website to stalk your Friends WOW amazing
***** PLEASE
Nikola Tesla invented hundreds of amazing inventions he innovated on almost everything
and mark zukerberg hes a fucking retard he had to drop out of computer science cus he couldnt do it and even if what did he create a website to stalk your Friends WOW amazing
I wouldn't say Jobs is the second greatest innovator, it's more like he took technology we already had and made it do something else. He didn't invent the MP3 player, but he popularized it. He didn't invent the smartphone, he made it popular to have one. He didn't invent the tablet, he just made it cooler.
I'll say that on those three occasions Apple certainly led the trends and forced other companies to jump as high as he did. Innovator? Maybe. Trend starter? Definitely.
I'll say that on those three occasions Apple certainly led the trends and forced other companies to jump as high as he did. Innovator? Maybe. Trend starter? Definitely.
No... no, no, no, no, no!
And where is Nikola Tesla? I thought this poll was held at MIT! Aren't they supposed to be smarter than this?
And where is Nikola Tesla? I thought this poll was held at MIT! Aren't they supposed to be smarter than this?
The only two people who deserve to be in there are Alexanger Graham Bell and Marie Curie.
Both Jobs and Edison excelled at having the public believe they invented things which they didn't really, Amelia Earhart was just a pilot, albeiit a famous one, and I don't even know what Gradin did.
Also, I'm surprised no one's mentioned the Wright brothers yet.
Both Jobs and Edison excelled at having the public believe they invented things which they didn't really, Amelia Earhart was just a pilot, albeiit a famous one, and I don't even know what Gradin did.
Also, I'm surprised no one's mentioned the Wright brothers yet.
I find it extremely amusing that the pic for this article is a broken link at the time I'm posting this.
Yes, to my father's generation who views anyone who can competently manipulate or fix a computer as some sort of arcane practitioner, Steve Jobs would seem some sort of grand master of sorcery for his "inventing" of so many nifty computer thingamabobs. To my generation and the one currently reaching adulthood who know better, not so much.
Yes, to my father's generation who views anyone who can competently manipulate or fix a computer as some sort of arcane practitioner, Steve Jobs would seem some sort of grand master of sorcery for his "inventing" of so many nifty computer thingamabobs. To my generation and the one currently reaching adulthood who know better, not so much.
I disagree heavily with pretty much all the candidates.
They are the most famous, or popular innovators of all time... They didn't innovate shit though. Steve Jobs probably did do some innovation, but it really isn't much.
Mark Zuckerburg is an innovator.
Thomas Edison? Wasn't it proved that he actually didn't invent most of the stuff he claimed to invent? He just got in there and patented it first? Yeah, great.
I personally think the greatest innovator is Dennis Ritchie. He created C, which would lead to C++ and Java pretty much on his own, devised several languages in which computers communicate with each other, and invented the UNIX operating system, which is the system that allows the entire internet to work. He is the sole reason that any tech company can even exist. When he died, nobody gave two shits. Not one single paper made a report on his death.
Steve Jobs was the boss of someone who invented the iPod and iTunes. He didn't come up with any of the ideas by himself, nor lay claim to most of the things that made apple successful. Steve Jobs most 'innovation' would probably lay with the progress in animation techniques he acquired in Pixar some years before joining Apple.
So yeah, massive, MASSIVE popularity contest here.
They are the most famous, or popular innovators of all time... They didn't innovate shit though. Steve Jobs probably did do some innovation, but it really isn't much.
Mark Zuckerburg is an innovator.
Thomas Edison? Wasn't it proved that he actually didn't invent most of the stuff he claimed to invent? He just got in there and patented it first? Yeah, great.
I personally think the greatest innovator is Dennis Ritchie. He created C, which would lead to C++ and Java pretty much on his own, devised several languages in which computers communicate with each other, and invented the UNIX operating system, which is the system that allows the entire internet to work. He is the sole reason that any tech company can even exist. When he died, nobody gave two shits. Not one single paper made a report on his death.
Steve Jobs was the boss of someone who invented the iPod and iTunes. He didn't come up with any of the ideas by himself, nor lay claim to most of the things that made apple successful. Steve Jobs most 'innovation' would probably lay with the progress in animation techniques he acquired in Pixar some years before joining Apple.
So yeah, massive, MASSIVE popularity contest here.
For modern examples how about Ian Wilmut and Kieth Cambell who cloned Dolly the sheep and were a decade ahead of anyone else in the field as all others discounted it as impossible. Or maybe Frederick Sanger who developed Sanger sequencing propelling genetics forwards a phenomenal amount.
No the top three are Thomas Edison, a businessman who stole his ideas and refused to pay the people who came up with them. Steve Jobs was a man who stole others ideas, slapped a apple logo on it and hiked the price up by 50% while abusing his staff and treating his consumers like morons and also encouraged stagnation by starting a patent war that will prevent new technological development. Finally Alexander Graham bell, who bribed the patent clerk to refuse a the first man to submit a telephone patent so his would win. My generation is a bunch of idiots. These were not innovators, innovators look at what is available and discern new applications, the first two merely relied on the innovation of others and claimed their ideas while the third was an innovator someone else achieved it before him, he just cheated. None of these are people our children should see as role models.
No the top three are Thomas Edison, a businessman who stole his ideas and refused to pay the people who came up with them. Steve Jobs was a man who stole others ideas, slapped a apple logo on it and hiked the price up by 50% while abusing his staff and treating his consumers like morons and also encouraged stagnation by starting a patent war that will prevent new technological development. Finally Alexander Graham bell, who bribed the patent clerk to refuse a the first man to submit a telephone patent so his would win. My generation is a bunch of idiots. These were not innovators, innovators look at what is available and discern new applications, the first two merely relied on the innovation of others and claimed their ideas while the third was an innovator someone else achieved it before him, he just cheated. None of these are people our children should see as role models.
Can we please just elevate Steve Jobs to saint already, put him on some fucking stained glass windows and stop fucking talking about this guy? Jesus Christ. I have an iPhone myself, and it's a great device, but goddam it if I'm not sick and fucking tired of people talking about Jobs like he's the fucking second coming. Holy shit.
Because there is a difference between Invention and Innovation. Tesla may have invented all of those things but Edison was the driving force behind it's true success, without Edison it would not have caught on. Not to mention that Tesla was kind of insane, I mean the man claimed he invented a death ray.spacecookie said:
OT: Jobs knew how to put other peoples ideas to good use, so he deserve some credit
However the list should include
The Wright Brothers
Henry Ford
Walt Disney
George Lucas
should all be on the list.
Oh and if Jobs being on a list makes people worry check out this list
http://www.terraverdeonline.com/98-entrepreneurs/.html
Specifically 20,40, and 89
Not true, many great bands are Canadiantrooper6 said:
Simple Plan
Sum 41
Barenaked Ladies
To name a few
As for the part about 1955, it's because that's when music started to become what we know it today.
because Da Vinci didn't build most of his idea'sfix-the-spade said:
and Tesla never wanted the spotlight that most inventors do... Hell tesla found out how to make electricity flow from a wireless power generator to a light bulb that he could hold in his hand....
but alas the apple-tards still view him as an "inventor"