Is the 9/11 Pokemon offensive?

[Anchupom]

I'm British, so I don't really have much of a say...
But I don't get super-offended by London 7/7 bombing references.
I know September 11[super]th[/super] is slightly worse than it, great human tragedy, yadda yadda yadda...

But in my opinion, man the fuck up America. Only those of you who are still getting really uppity about it.

It's ok to be a bit offended when people say jokes about it, but it's part of culture now, get over it.

 

[jonyboy13]

Yes, Pokemon are terrorists.
Why would a sane person with a common sense be offended by this?
Damn qqing Americans. GET OVER IT! OTHER SHIT HAPPEN IN THE WORLD, NOT JUST IN YOUR SMALL BUBBLE.
Try living in the middle east for a week, you won't be qqing about 2 damn towers.

 

[Nero Haven]

I'm really disappointed by how many people just reply to the article without looking at the posts or checking facts at all, just buying into it. It's obviously not what the article calls it, the pokemon isn't 9' 11", there is no Ground Zero(It's a desert outside town limits), and the pokemon in question isn't even near the area mentioned.

 

[ShadowsofHope]

*Is from England*

It's not so much the amount of people who died - it's the fact that it was intentional.

I don't think any human-created events but large-scale wars have caused that much American death on home soil, and certainly not that quickly.

And part of the reason I'm so opposed to it is because I once said something along mowin's lines, and got my first ever mod wrath because of it. And during that 3-day suspension, I realised that a lot of friends on this site were still affected by it.

I stand by my statement.

Your post, it makes more sense now. Otherwise, you really need to look at some history books again before you consider 9/11 to be "the worst" human-created event that killed several thousand people.

Yeah america should get over this happening but in the same thought I realised this: Think about your country, Has any thing like this happened in your country? Has your country "got over it?" Or does it still remembe and get offended if something like this happens?

Funny. Japan brings up Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and American's tend to pass it off with a "Meh, get over it" or "You deserved it" reaction. Nice double standards some people have of tragic events, eh?

Also, the only historical event beating 9/11 in terms of American persistence to the global community is World War II. Or more specifically, Nazis in video games.

 

[Hunter15]

so it seems that only people with anime pictures answered this thread...i wonder what that means (expect the Dr. evil spy vs spy and a few others) well anyway to a gamer that doesn't care about the real world and sits in a ditch so no one can tell him any news other then a new video game to waste your life on, they wont care. to an average American that got over it and moved on (like myself) they will say "well that's kind of a strange and hurtful coincidence" to an overacting conspiring nut-ball who is also very patriotic " OH MY GOD I KNEW THE JAPANESE WERE IN ON IT ALL ALONG....CALL THE NATIONAL GUARDS....CRUCIFY THE UNHOLY SPAWN BACK TO HELL AHHHHHHDOAFOSOCSODCOEOSCS

 

[Freshman]

Is it offensive to me? No. Do I believe for one second that it just so happened the Pokemon that comes out of the meteor is 9'11" coincidently? hell no.

 

[Kukakkau]

Terrorism - commiting an act to harm and inflict terror on a populace

Aka constantly dwelling on it counts as a win for them

Besides I've played through white and I don't even know what city is meant to be New York. If it's the one with the bug gym they really haven't done a good job considering all the Japanese business men running around.

And since when was Kyurem established as the pokemon that fell from the sky?

 

[Carlston]

10 fucking years ago.

Honestly, the reference completely passed my mind until you brought up just now. I still don't really care, however. Seriously, I can understand the emotions around 9/11, but you American's seem to treat it as though Al Qaeda nuked half your country away when the Twin Towers fell, and seem to want everyone else to care just as excessively about it when we have no reason or care to.

Stop bringing it the fuck up. Please.

Dude live in America. in 2006 they didn't even know Sept 11 was that day and had to be reminded of it. The only people who bring it up are politicians. Only New York seems to remember or anyone personally affected by it. It was only 3000 people you'd think they remember it a tad longer sincerely.

 

[DuderSkanks]

Yes, 9/11 was a big deal. No, it shouldn't be forgotten...
But in the that we don't forget Pearl Harbor! Which HAS been depicted in games that we play all the time!

This is utter bullcrap, plain and simple bullcrap. First, as pointed out, Kyurem is 9'10". Second, The desert isn't part of Castelia City, or has anything that would suggest a Ground Zero (BTW it's not just reserved for 9/11) besides construction (OMG construction near a city!) and the remains of the Relic Castle that looks more like it was buried beneath the desert. The article is inaccurate along with the fact that it comes from Cracked, a HUMOR site.
If there was something more to the argument, I'd love to hear it and debate over it. But until then, stop with all the butthurt.
Sincerely, an American

 

[ShadowsofHope]

10 fucking years ago.

Honestly, the reference completely passed my mind until you brought up just now. I still don't really care, however. Seriously, I can understand the emotions around 9/11, but you American's seem to treat it as though Al Qaeda nuked half your country away when the Twin Towers fell, and seem to want everyone else to care just as excessively about it when we have no reason or care to.

Stop bringing it the fuck up. Please.

Dude live in America. in 2006 they didn't even know Sept 11 was that day and had to be reminded of it. The only people who bring it up are politicians. Only New York seems to remember or anyone personally affected by it. It was only 3000 people you'd think they remember it a tad longer sincerely.

I realize that. I was talking about the American's that brought it up in this thread (on that side), including the OP. I may have sounded generalizing, but I'm not. I assure you.

Is it offensive to me? No. Do I believe for one second that it just so happened the Pokemon that comes out of the meteor is 9'11" coincidently? hell no.

9'10", mate. Get with the game.

I have Kyurem in my Pokemon party, and that is directly on the Pokedex info for him. Also, he is nowhere near the city in mention when you find him.

 

[144_v1legacy]

Well, I didn't play through this game, get to that spot, see it on the map and think, "hey, that's ground zero!" I looked at the town map. I knew, before looking at it, that it was going to resemble Manhattan. I still didn't see a ground zero reference until just now, reading this. I know victims personally. I'm not offended, and they probably aren't either.

And even if it's supposed to be a mirror-image of ground zero, complete with broken Verizon building, I don't think the game trivializes 9/11 in any way. And I also don't think a map that reflects a landscape resembling a post-9/11 NYC is trivializing either, intentional or not.

It's easy fodder for people to get either overly offended about, or overly defensive of.

 

[Flying-Emu]

NOOOOOOOO!!!!!

What is it about that fucking number? Get over it! It was a decade ago!

In fact, I feel honored. It's my parents anniversary!

Actually it's my parent's anniversary as well. Granted, they were married two years before the diaster, but whatevver.

 

[144_v1legacy]

10 fucking years ago.

Honestly, the reference completely passed my mind until you brought up just now. I still don't really care, however. Seriously, I can understand the emotions around 9/11, but you American's seem to treat it as though Al Qaeda nuked half your country away when the Twin Towers fell, and seem to want everyone else to care just as excessively about it when we have no reason or care to.

Stop bringing it the fuck up. Please.

Out of curiosity, who is this aimed at? If it's the people on the thread, they're only responding to a recent article on the Escapist. if it's Game Freak, I don't think they intended for controversy. If it's the people who played it, they may have picked up on it, but I imagine most left it at that and moved on. If it's the media and the small minority of people who brought this issue up with them, then I understand. But I think people are misinterpreting your sentiments. Or maybe I am.

 

[Assassin Xaero]

How is that in any way offensive? Sure it is based off New York and it is a bit of a play on stuff, but that is like saying that my Animal Farm in Minecraft is offensive because the hammer and sickle is on one of the walls.

 

[mjc0961]

There isn't a 9-11 Pokémon in the first place, so I guess it can't be offensive if it doesn't exist. Cracked didn't get any details of the route or Pokémon right in their article. And even if they did and what they said had been true, they're still just trying to get people riled up over something that wasn't intended to be offensive.

Besides I've played through white and I don't even know what city is meant to be New York.

The entire region itself is meant to be New York City, not just one part of it.

 

[Sonic Doctor]

So I don't know if there was already a post about this, but I guess in the new Pokemon games Unova is modeled after New York City, complete with it's own Ground Zero. This is caused by a meteor which then leaves a pokemon who happens to 9 feet 11 inches tall. Obviously, I doubt that the Pokemon team had any serious negative intentions here, but it does seem a bit insensitive.

Found out about it on Cracked.com

http://www.cracked.com/article_19087_the-9-most-offensive-911-references-in-pop-culture.html

It's #5 on the list.

This thing is being blow way out of proportion. If anything, this is some big conspiracy theory, a very messed up one at that, that doesn't even have any clear points.

Yes this generation of Pokemon the region is based off of North America, but obviously looking at the map it looks nothing like it. The place that comes after Castelia City is just a desert and a ruins of an ancient(we are talking Egyptian tomb type stuff) civilization. There are construction sites in that area, but it is just suppose to be city expansion.

Cracked is incredibly stupid and obviously haven't played the game themselves. That Meteor that they are talking about, didn't fall anywhere near Castelia City. If you look at the map, got north to the next city then go right and around three cities. The Meteor landed around/next to Lacunosa Town. The people in that town in my game talk about the Meteor crashing right next to their town, no where near Castelia City. If not, than some how my game is different from everybody else's.

People are just grasping or juicy news where there is none, now, everybody, get back to your lives and forget about the crazy people that thought up this stuff to make these articles.

Edit:
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There isn't a 9-11 Pokémon in the first place, so I guess it can't be offensive if it can't exist. Cracked didn't get any details of the route or Pokémon right in their article. And even if they did and what they said had been true, they're still just trying to get people riled up over something that wasn't intended to be offensive.

I laughed as well, they link their source for the Pokemon's height to Bulbipedia, when you use that link, it says the Pokemon's height is 9'10".

But now all the conspiracy theorists are going to spew that it is close enough or that Bulbipedia has been tampered with.

 

[ShadowsofHope]

10 fucking years ago.

Honestly, the reference completely passed my mind until you brought up just now. I still don't really care, however. Seriously, I can understand the emotions around 9/11, but you American's seem to treat it as though Al Qaeda nuked half your country away when the Twin Towers fell, and seem to want everyone else to care just as excessively about it when we have no reason or care to.

Stop bringing it the fuck up. Please.

Out of curiosity, who is this aimed at? If it's the people on the thread, they're only responding to a recent article on the Escapist. if it's Game Freak, I don't think they intended for controversy. If it's the people who played it, they may have picked up on it, but I imagine most left it at that and moved on. If it's the media and the small minority of people who brought this issue up with them, then I understand. But I think people are misinterpreting your sentiments. Or maybe I am.

Just the bolded. The scenario doesn't actually exist in the game, Cracked is rather.. cracked this time, when it comes to making up bullshit for the sake of "comedic" effect.

 

[HassEsser]

Damn you, OP! I clicked your link, and spent an hour and a half on Cracked!


OT: I honestly don't care in the slightest. Hell, I like their little allusion.

 

[DaHero]

10 fucking years ago.

Honestly, the reference completely passed my mind until you brought up just now. I still don't really care, however. Seriously, I can understand the emotions around 9/11, but you American's seem to treat it as though Al Qaeda nuked half your country away when the Twin Towers fell, and seem to want everyone else to care just as excessively about it when we have no reason or care to.

Stop bringing it the fuck up. Please.

See, the reason is that most Americans have never actually had a tragedy as their city being bombed, something many people in the middle east worry about every day. I even remember a home show where the woman was willing to pay a lot more for a house with a bomb shelter because she was afraid the house would be bombed someday. Many Americans are complacent, not realizing that they (well we, I'm American too) are quite possibly the only country in the world that doesn't go day to day worrying about regime changes and terrorist bombings.

 

[Sonic Doctor]

10 fucking years ago.

Honestly, the reference completely passed my mind until you brought up just now. I still don't really care, however. Seriously, I can understand the emotions around 9/11, but you American's seem to treat it as though Al Qaeda nuked half your country away when the Twin Towers fell, and seem to want everyone else to care just as excessively about it when we have no reason or care to.

Stop bringing it the fuck up. Please.

Out of curiosity, who is this aimed at? If it's the people on the thread, they're only responding to a recent article on the Escapist. if it's Game Freak, I don't think they intended for controversy. If it's the people who played it, they may have picked up on it, but I imagine most left it at that and moved on. If it's the media and the small minority of people who brought this issue up with them, then I understand. But I think people are misinterpreting your sentiments. Or maybe I am.

Just the bolded. The scenario doesn't actually exist in the game, Cracked is rather.. cracked this time, when it comes to making up bullshit for the sake of "comedic" effect.

Yeah, the whole meteor thing they are taking about, fell much further away in the north east of the map, and Team Plasma isn't even involved, by the time I even found where the meteor fell, I had beat Team Plasma and they disbanded.

So for the story, Cracked just shifted the meteor crash and added Plasma in. Only people that haven't played the games might take Cracked seriously. But I worry about people that take Cracked seriously anyway.