Is this morally bad?

[runic knight]

kinda terrible to be honest.

Still, least you are sane enough to know that those urges are not good for general society and that instead you are better off going into a segment of society where it is at least somewhat more acceptable to do that. If you can be content with killing people the government tells you to kill, then knock yourself out there.

Guess this decision would be ethical but not moral? Or maybe inverse that, I always kinda confuse them. Basically, it is still not good in terms of right and wrong (you are killing people because you want to kill people), but it is done in a way that betters society (arguably, as it really just furthers the government's goals, but some could argue that in turn is reflection of the society who elected its goals...), is not illegal and does as little harm to your own society as you can manage. So... good idea...?

 

[Piorn]

Suit yourself. If you like killing, at least try to do it for the common good.
The problem is that nowadays, killing "enemies" isn't the solution. Killing Terrorists who claim to fight for the freedom of their oppressed countries makes them martyrs and fuels the hatred. Killing one might drive his whole family to extremists too, and sooner or later, everyone is your enemy.

 

[In Search of Username]

Yyyyyep. That's pretty fucked up. Seek help.

 

[CAMDAWG]

I'm gonna say yes, that's awful, but you shouldn't join the army. On one hand, (assuming all of the OP's posts are what he actually thinks) you should, simply because then you'd be removed from regular society, maybe far away to Afghanistan, and I wouldn't have to worry about running into you on the street. On the other hand, given Australian gun laws, you'd be hard pressed to fuck shit up with bullets over here and knife rampages are quite a bit tougher, so you'd do less damage. Probably. On the other hand (the weird shriveled third one), if you join the army and espouse this kind of horrible, anti-social rhetoric then kill a bunch of people, the headline will be "Violent trained monkeys in the army are violent!" and not "Video games make people kill people!"

Also, your later posts suggest an absurd lack of empathy, which I find pretty nasty, and moreover, if you reckon everything was better 100 years ago, how about you go write it out in a letter, be opressed by a classist, sexist, and racist society, and then, in the afternoon, die from polio. I don't know about you, but that sounds fun to me!

 

[Angie7F]

When I was working with US navy, i met a few guys that were there because his father and cousins got killed in 911.
He said that he was there to fight for justice.
Apparently (I am drunk as hell so i dont remember much) but he is a MP in Japan because he is too crazy to take to the actual war.
I dunno if that happens, but, yeah...

I dont think thats bad.
maybe you can just joined the french Mercenary

 

[Cazza]

I think you're over estimating how many troops we have in the middle east. On top of that I believe only the SASR get into anything that could really get you killed (I mean action). Anyway I thought we planned to have all our troops out sometime next year. Even if you get into the army you will be too late for the 'party'.

I guess there will always be some armed conflict. Just don't say that in your psychological evaluation.

 

[Hazy]

Let's not even touch on morals yet, let's just break down what exactly you will be doing when you're deployed (hint: it probably won't be killing people with guns and knives, I can almost guarantee that).

Here's how your time in the Army is going to be spent, OP:

Masturbation (you'll be doing this a lot)
Firing practice once every now and then
Cleaning and maintaining your rifle to the point where you can do it blindfolded
More masturbation
Eating
Patrols
Getting sleep in whenever you can
and generally being bored as fuck

And when/if you do happen to engage an enemy, they will most likely be so far away that you cannot see them and they can probably see you, which is terrifying as shit.

And that's assuming you get stationed in a hot zone, which you very well might not be.

The military is a great thing for some people, and if it's right for you, look into it and make your decision. I know some guys who say it was the best decision they've ever made. Just don't expect it to be an action movie.

 

[phantasmalWordsmith]

Interesting note, its better to wound the enemy rather than kill them. Kill them, they just move the body out the way till they get a free moment to take care of it. Wounded have to be carried to safety, given medical care, rehabilitated...

And yeah morally bad. Pretty sure they psychological screen most people before they let them join the army, or try and drill them into the right mindset for the armed forces.

 

[Phlakes]

blow shit up, kill people and chew bubble gum

Ha. Yeah. That's not happening.

You'd be lucky(?) to see any action, and even luckier if you even manage to get a round into someone. You won't be an action movie hero. You'll just be another grunt cleaning toilets and sitting around for months.

I also see that you're 16, so don't worry, you'll get over it eventually. Teen angst and all that.

 

[In Search of Username]

And screw anyone who says you need to seek help, wanting to kill and destroy is perfectly natural in some folk.

Not wanting to be killed is also perfectly natural, so I guess nature is contradictory. You can't just say something's natural as a reason for it to be ethical, it doesn't make any fucking sense.

 

[In Search of Username]

And screw anyone who says you need to seek help, wanting to kill and destroy is perfectly natural in some folk.

Not wanting to be killed is also perfectly natural, so I guess nature is contradictory. You can't just say something's natural as a reason for it to be ethical, it doesn't make any fucking sense.

If you care to read one or two more times, I never said because it was natural it is ethical. What I said was that he doesnt need to seek help because he wants to kill things.

Which suggests that you think there's nothing wrong with wanting to kill things. Because it's 'perfectly natural'. Which, as I said, makes no sense.

 

[Rainforce]

That I am joining the Army because I actually want to get away from everyone and blow shit up, kill people and chew bubble gum?
I think it, but I love the idea so much of going to war and fucking people up with bullets and knives...

Yeah, because you completely ignore how everyone will fuck you up as well.
There will be pain.
Actually, there will ONLY be pain. The pain will keep you warm at night and be your only friend that will always come back to you.
I wish you all the best, may war last forever for you : D
(no seriously: you just like it because the adrenaline kick will be pretty nice, and the rest will be hell. talk with some veterans.)

 

[Dr.A]

Your wording scares me, but as long as you're not killing civilians I guess...it's...ok...?

Your desires are difficult to condone.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

If you have to ask, then yes.

 

[Filiecs]

I'd spend more time on your education if I were you. Perhaps take some philosophy classes.
Also, everyone contributes to society in one way or another. To kill someone is to inhibit the spread of their ideas and is VERY unproductive. The spread of ideas is vital for the advancement of society, especially these days.

 

[Frission]

I am half joking you do relies?

True point, I really think civilization is falling apart, I really wish I was born 100 years ago >.>

I read your comment afterwards and I have to say that you really remind me of those French and German soldiers who went gung ho into the first world war, saying that it would all be over by Christmas. Have you studied world war 1? It's amazing how you sound like one of those characters in war movies. You should read "All quiet on the western front".

You have a pretty shaky grasp on history, is the one thing I can conclude.

Are you morally wrong? Well you actually care what other people may think, so you're not really insane. Your views are however a bit worrying, but I suppose it's better for you to get in the military and get rid of them that way, then stew in them. Just don't commit war crimes.

EDIT: Your views on unproductive people is either that of a madman, or of a really immature kid. They are definitely amoral.

EDIT EDIT: Actually don't join the army, because you'll probably grow out of your views. It sounds condescending, but it's probably true.

 

[QuadFish]

Considering you're apparently about 16 right now, maybe you want to take a few years to think about this before making any decisions yet. It's not totally unheard of for teens to feel disenchanted and angry, so maybe just see how you feel again once you're 18 or 20 or something?

 

[BodomBeachChild]

Yes it is morally bad, and it's people like you that make the military look bad (worse?). Something tells me the Army wouldn't want a person in their ranks like you think. You'll probably fail mental evaluations unless your a amazing bullshitter. Other than that why don't you just walk down the street and start trying to kill people? That way the police can put you down before you have the oppertunity to try and live out some CoD-fantasy wet dream? The military is for people who want to protect and serve thier county.

 

[In Search of Username]

And screw anyone who says you need to seek help, wanting to kill and destroy is perfectly natural in some folk.

Not wanting to be killed is also perfectly natural, so I guess nature is contradictory. You can't just say something's natural as a reason for it to be ethical, it doesn't make any fucking sense.

If you care to read one or two more times, I never said because it was natural it is ethical. What I said was that he doesnt need to seek help because he wants to kill things.

Which suggests that you think there's nothing wrong with wanting to kill things. Because it's 'perfectly natural'. Which, as I said, makes no sense.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to kill things. Why do you think there are so many versions of violent media out there? So we can all gasp and shake our heads at it and whine about how unnatural and wrong it is? It begins to get wrong when you let your DESIRE lead to ACTION in some cases.

Which is exactly what he's DOING.

 

[Acton Hank]

That I am joining the Army because I actually want to get away from everyone and blow shit up, kill people and chew bubble gum?
I think it, but I love the idea so much of going to war and fucking people up with bullets and knives...

It doesn't matter if it's morally right or not, if it's what you want to do then that's probably what you will do regardless of what people say.

Word of advice, killing people and blowing shit up ,as you say, is just a small part of military life.