It's only sexist when Men do it?

[Loner Jo Jo]

Okay, one, I really don't want anyone holding up the Talk or the View as epitomes of female thought or behavior. It's kind of like holding up the Man Show as the epitome of male achievement.

That being said, I agree with him a lot of ways. It's not fair for men. However, there is one point I'd like to point out: statistics.

The reason the forensics show typically shows males committing homicide is because it's more likely to happen. Women don't kill people as often as men do. It's not sexist; it's just a fact. Also, as for the abuse defense, juries are far more likely to sympathize with a woman who has been abused. It puts a person in a state of mind that could predisposition them to think they have no other choice. That and a man is far more likely to commit domestic violence against a woman than the other way around. Yes, sometimes women will claim this in court just to try to get off, but that's beside the point.

However, I will admit, if a man tried to pull the same defense, a jury either won't believe him or find him weak to begin with. He wouldn't get away with it, probably. That's a double standard and sexist. It's a hold over that will hopefully disappear soon enough.

 

[ZiggyE]

This guy is fucking right.

I cannot stand people who stand up for women's rights. I cannot stand people who stand up for racial rights or any other 'minority' rights. Because half the time even though they claim they want 'equality', what they want is special privileges for them. What ever happened to just plain, "human rights", huh?

 

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

If you actually examine why double standards exist, you understand why.

Being white and male is hugely advantageous, in ways that a white male(like myself)is never likely to fully understand. If the trade-off is that other people get to make themselves look bad by being insensitive and running their mouth, I still feel like I got the better end of the deal.

History has been kind to people like me. You honestly cannot even hurt my feelings, and that's probably something that I take for granted sometimes, when I'm trying to understand other peoples reactions to certain things.

Nice to see Sara Gilbert adding some balance and actual thought to proceedings though.

 

[funguy2121]

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My reactions, in order:

When he says the word "****" he doesn't sound like David Cross calling Nicole Richie and Paris Hilton "rich giggling cunts." He sounds like a sexually frustrated misogynist.

So, you haven't seen the show, but you're going to judge it based on a clip you saw on the internet, quite possibly out of context?

--asshole starts talking about a man being separated from his penis--

Let me guess. He's about to get pissed that some women laughed at this joke. Is he comfortable holding company with Rush Limbaugh? When Lorena Bobbit cut off her husband's penis and later alleged that he had raped her, about 17 years ago, jokes abounded. Jokes were still being made on Saturday Night Live 2 years later. And it was still funny. But Rush wasn't laughing at all. He couldn't stop talking about how if John Wayne Bobbit had cut off one of Lorena's breasts it wouldn't be funny. And he's absolutely right. That's not funny. I also don't think it would be (terribly) funny if John Wayne Bobbit weren't a rapist.

I'm not sure if he plead for lesser charges, but Bobbit was eventually released from prison and went straight into porn after taking a bunch of dick wonder drugs. His, erm, co-stars said that he needed to down a fistful of pills to get it up, and that he could only function for a few minutes, and that he was "weird and creepy" and would try to force starlets into the men's room at awards shows and show them his rather unimpressive cock. Several years later, he was convicted of raping another woman. Which (and remember, I'm a dude) makes me rather wish that his cock had been put in a garbage disposal.

Sharon Osbourne is one of the least deserving celebrities in the world. At least her husband co-wrote and performed "War Pigs."

Yup, now he's freaking out just like Rush Limbaugh.

Someone tell Youtubers out there that a rant isn't as funny when an uneducated douche does it as when Patton Oswalt does it.

...and I'm turning this shit off.

No one let this caveman know that Nancy Grace exists. Then he'd really lose his shit. Actually, why don't we force the two of them to live on a desert island together? Make a reality show out of that. And they only get to eat when they fuck. Next season: Gilbert Godfried and Kathy Griffin.

He is right about one thing. It's a double standard. All of those entitled, bitchy women out there who get the shit beat out of them by their men, sold into sexual slavery, forced to work in sweatshops, get coercive abortions, get blamed for their own rape and sent to prison for life when they can't present a plurality of witnesses to their sexual assault, seem to get a bit of a rise out of hearing about one dumbass losing his cock. And that just is not right!

I can't stomach any more. Someone else is going to have to tell me if this is one of those misogynistic turds who actually believes we have it worse than women.

 

[Broady Brio]

Sadly, in some places, people thinks it's funny for a men's penis to be chopped off. It digusts me these "Feminists."

Spoiler: As for the Amazing Atheist, I dislike him greatly.

 

[Farson89]

I think the Amazing Atheist is a pretty terrible person but he makes a good point here. That being said he could've done it in a more creative way than saying 'fuck' over and over again.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

My thoughts:
1.) I'm not watching a 6 minute video to participate in an thread, OP.
2.) No, it's not.
3.) Anyone can call them self a feminist, so if you get distracted by crazy people who call themselves feminists, you might as well go claiming Christians are the WBC or Muslims are all radicals to be consistent. Or you can use your brain to discriminate between "radical" feminists and "mainstream" feminist.
4.)It's not that feminists are hypocrites, it's that they're usually people. People are hypocritical and inconsistent.
5.) We've had a thread on this subject already.

This. All of this.

I really hate when people quote crazies or hold up the most insane people as examples of feminism.

That's like, oh, I dunno, pointing at a murder who happened to play a video game and claiming that video games turn people into killers.

inb4: Oh, I see what I did there!

 

[manythings]

I'm not sure why he keeps bringing up Iran the way he does, and I can "take feminism seriously".
But otherwise, yes. Those were pretty much my exact thoughts after both of those stories.

Because feminism is often derangedly inconsistent with the actually goals of the first women who wanted equality (Equalitarians) and is now principally about putting women first.

 

[Thunderhorse31]

If you actually examine why double standards exist, you understand why.

Being white and male is hugely advantageous, in ways that a white male(like myself)is never likely to fully understand. If the trade-off is that other people get to make themselves look bad by being insensitive and running their mouth, I still feel like I got the better end of the deal.

History has been kind to people like me. You honestly cannot even hurt my feelings, and that's probably something that I take for granted sometimes, when I'm trying to understand other peoples reactions to certain things.

Nice to see Sara Gilbert adding some balance and actual thought to proceedings though.

Came in here to basically say this, although in a far less serious way.

It's apparently okay to make fun of the perceived dominating/majority group, since as we have already established, it is impossible to offend us. Like AA said, we're just expected to "suck it up."

It's only racist if white people do it.
It's only sexist if men do it.
It's only bigoted if straight people do it.

And so on, and so forth. It may not be equal, but at least I get paid more to do the same job.

 

[Neonit]

yeah, the thing is.... you dont see discrimination of others. you really dont. i for example, didnt realized how bad racism is, until i moved to a different country. i though "it cant be THAT bad...." until you see things in perspective..... because all those LITTLE things tend to stack up.

i guess that women are discriminated. i dont see it. im a man. i think its blown out of proportion. but i know, that it could be caused by the fact that i dont see it in right perspective. double standards are at least trying to even it up. it doesnt work as it should (because there should be no discrimination in first place but you know.....)

THEN AGAIN i dont believe that this kind of behavior should be accepted. that show was disgusting. at least the part i saw. (i kinda have respect for the woman pointing out double standards btw) i think there should be consequences.

double standards should NOT be used in court. it is the law. it doesnt care if youre white or black, so it shouldnt care about whenever you have a penis, a vagina, or anything in between

so in short, yes there are double standards, yes they should disappear together with discrimination, no it wont happen in our lifetime. and that guy needs to calm down, because he has a good point, but cant really be taken seriously.


ps it is not a problem with feminism. its the problem with human beings. and the fact that some people want attention. shouting is an easy way to get some.... but yeah "human rights movement" seems better.....

pps i know a lot of women who find feminists stupid attention who.... well, you know the rest. so that doest say something.....

 

[Bonecrusher]

He makes some decent points. If men did laugh at a woman being mutilated, there would be RIOTS.

These fucking idiots laugh at a guy having his penis chopped off? Apparently that's ok.

It's because feminist movements, while some claim to be pro-equality, are only really pro-equality for women.

I don't even think some of this is over the top. I think he's got valid points throughout the video.

Until now I hadn't actually seen any of the clip of the women talking about it, but Sharon Osbourne saying that it'd be different if a man chopped a woman's breasts off is horrible. I had no respect for her before and now I just fucking hate her.

I hate feminists and feminism.
They argue that they defend the rights and equality of women,
in fact they are just trying to decrease the rights and equality of men.

I really support the equality of both gender,
however feminists are no more different than conservationist macho or redneck men.

 

[Craorach]

I'm definitely not a big fan of the person in that video, but the whole idea of that TV show makes me shudder.

It isn't new with shows like that either, they are selling to bored, middle aged, housewives with a chip on their shoulder. These shows consistently belittle and find humour in the suffering of men, whatever the situation.

The maker of that video, however badly, does raise an important point however. Abuse by men is almost always considered a terrible thing, abuse against men is often laughed at or ignored.

Domestic violence and sexual abuse, especially, suffer from this. Although it is improving lately, we still live in a world where a man who beats his wife is a monster, and little to no proof is needed.. while a woman can beat her husband regularly and have it dismissed. If a man stares at a woman, even one in skimpy clothing, he can be fired or arrested.. where as a woman can grope and outright molest a man and complaints not be taken seriously.

This even goes for extremes such a teachers having sex with students... several high profile cases recently involved female teachers and male students, but popular perception is still that a male teacher is gutted and has his career ruined just from the accusation, where as if it's the other way around people cry "she's hot, bet the lad loved it!".

There was a case, a few years ago, while I was growing up and the idea of date rape and spiking drinks had only just really hit.. a young woman was pursuing an older, married, man that she worked with... she had a mild similarity to his wife.. during an office party she deliberately mimicked his wife's clothing and mannerisms, spiked his drinks with both more potent alcohol and drugs, responded to his wife's name and seduced him. In a climate where a young man had recently been arrested for rape because his victim was too drunk to stand, this was laughed off, the man fired and his wife filed for divorce, and got it. I believe he even lost regular access to his children. He'd never been unfaithful before that.

This isn't a new thing, and I suppose it's slowly getting better, but this has to do with more than feminism, and silly TV shows. It has to do with negative gender stereotypes and what both males, and females, expect of themselves and others.

 

[Radoh]

My thoughts:
1.) I'm not watching a 6 minute video to participate in an thread, OP.
2.) No, it's not.
3.) Anyone can call them self a feminist, so if you get distracted by crazy people who call themselves feminists, you might as well go claiming Christians are the WBC or Muslims are all radicals to be consistent. Or you can use your brain to discriminate between "radical" feminists and "mainstream" feminist.
4.)It's not that feminists are hypocrites, it's that they're usually people. People are hypocritical and inconsistent.
5.) We've had a thread on this subject already.

This. All of this.

I really hate when people quote crazies or hold up the most insane people as examples of feminism.

That's like, oh, I dunno, pointing at a murder who happened to play a video game and claiming that video games turn people into killers.

inb4: Oh, I see what I did there!

Oh, I see what you did... never mind.

Seriously though, as much as I love watching angry, hateful people yelling nonsense about angry, hateful people, I found this to be... lacking.
Most of the stuff I saw from this guy is just a bunch of tripe, and it makes me sad that people follow behind him using him as a rallying cry for there obscenities.

Also, WAY too much swearing, you can make a point without swearing at all you know.

 

[hagar2]

i cant agree to this more. i have seen women get away with things men would never get away with. im not sexist but women get to much slack and im sure you know what i mean.

 

[Char-Nobyl]

*Edit: So I've been quoted a dozen times about mostly how it's not racist (and a few who agree it is). Let's just put that into perspective. He says imagine a bunch of guys sitting around talking about how someone chopped of a woman's tits and clit, and then "where would you imagine that happening, Iran maybe?". On the one hand, yes it *could* happen in Iran but it could happen in America too.

Iran is currently being governed by a madman. It routinely punishes arbitrary "crimes" with methods of execution that are deliberately cruel and unusual. In America, death by hanging is a rare occurrence, and it's done in such a way that the condemned simply has their neck snapped. In Iran, death by hanging is doled out for the "crime" of homosexuality, and it's carried out by hoisting them via crane and asphyxiating them to death.

It's frankly not very different from if he were talking about robberies and asked "Someone robs a bank and kills two people. Who do you think did it, a black guy maybe??" Point is, yeah Iran has some pretty sexist laws and traditions but that doesn't mean they obviously hate women, and therefore it's not racist to say that it seems obvious that the aformentioned mutilation could be laughed about there.

Ever heard of "the cutting of the rose"? You might also find it filed under "female circumcision." Both of those titles make it sound a lot more morally/socially acceptable than it is in practice. It's inevitably only used as a means of putting women in an even more subservient role in society.

Now, think long and hard, where do you think it's more practiced: America, or the Persian Gulf?

 

[ultimateownage]

it's still pretty ironic that he'd however slightly perpetrate one bad ideal whilst being so stalwart in attacking another.

You're missing his point completely. He thinks it's stupid for there to be a double standard where one group can make fun of a second, but that second one cannot. They should either both be able to or neither be able to.
Iran can make fun of us, too. There is no double standard there. There is no inequality in that regard between us and Iran.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

You know what's getting more annoying than feminazi's? Men who think they are hard done by. Really guys? Hundreds of years of supremacy and you are moaning if some vacuous tarts on a crappy talk show laugh at you.

Come on.

Everyone has different opinions on things why do the rest of women have to be grouped in with these brainless idiots. It's like saying all men are douchebags because of Jersey Shore. Assault and mutilation is repugnant, end of story.

 

[ZiggyE]

Really guys? Hundreds of years of supremacy and you are moaning if some vacuous tarts on a crappy talk show laugh at you.

Funny, I never experienced a hundreds of years of supremacy. I was born in a time when it was okay for women to laugh when men get seriously assaulted. So excuse me for being a little peeved by double standards and inequality.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

Really guys? Hundreds of years of supremacy and you are moaning if some vacuous tarts on a crappy talk show laugh at you.

Funny, I never experienced a hundreds of years of supremacy. I was born in a time when it was okay for women to laugh when men get seriously assaulted. So excuse me for being a little peeved by double standards and inequality.

Yeah but its only stupid people who laugh at it. If women weren't arrested for attacking men then you may have a point. Normal society thinks it is wrong. I thought it was a pretty stupid and insensitive thing to say.

The fact that this is on youtube and people took offence to it means that this isn't the prevalent view of society. It's just something really offensive that was said on a crap talk show.