J.J. Abrams Says Gay Characters Are Coming to Star Wars

[Politrukk]

There's more to it than that. The Clones from the clone wars suffer from accelerated aging, so they would not be in prime condition to fight in the army by the time A New Hope takes place. The Empire cut corners and went with regular recruits because it was cheaper. As a result, you had stormtroopers with varying levels of skill and an overall weaker army.

This assumes that all clones are grown at once. There is nothing stopping Empire from growing new clones for A New Hope as far as i know.

Cloning facilities were destroyed if we can consider that canon still.

 

[JimB]

Escapism over politics.

Turns out there are gay people who like escapism too, and would like to believe they have a place in a galaxy far, far away.

Be in favor of whatever the hell you want, just not in my Jedi space Muppet robot opera.

It is not your Jedi space Muppet robot opera. It is Disney's Jedi space Muppet robot opera. Disney has decided what it wants to do with its Jedi space Muppet robot opera.

 

[go-10]

so Chewbacca's finally revealing his sexual preference huh? Good for him!

 

[Metalix Knightmare]

It is not your Jedi space Muppet robot opera. It is Disney's Jedi space Muppet robot opera. Disney has decided what it wants to do with its Jedi space Muppet robot opera.

And part of that involved giving the guy who wrote "Wibbily wobbily TIE Fighter" and "Space Daipers" multiple books to write, as well as giving EA of all companies exclusive rights for making Star Wars games so you'll excuse those of us who were here since nearly the start for being concerned whenever Disney does anything with this franchise.

 

[JimB]

It is not your Jedi space Muppet robot opera. It is Disney's Jedi space Muppet robot opera. Disney has decided what it wants to do with its Jedi space Muppet robot opera.

And part of that involved giving the guy who wrote "Wibbily wobbily TIE Fighter" and "Space Daipers" multiple books to write, as well as giving EA of all companies exclusive rights for making Star Wars games so you'll excuse those of us who were here since nearly the start for being concerned whenever Disney does anything with this franchise.

Sure. Be concerned with it all you like, if that seems to you like a good use of your time. I don't object to people being concerned. I object to the idea that Zero=Interrupt has some kind of proprietary ownership over the franchise for no better reason than that he watched it when he was young, and that his self-perceived ownership grants him the right to tell creators what they can and cannot create in "his" property. I am unable to keep my eye-rolls to myself on that one.

 

[happyninja42]

It is not your Jedi space Muppet robot opera. It is Disney's Jedi space Muppet robot opera. Disney has decided what it wants to do with its Jedi space Muppet robot opera.

And part of that involved giving the guy who wrote "Wibbily wobbily TIE Fighter" and "Space Daipers" multiple books to write, as well as giving EA of all companies exclusive rights for making Star Wars games so you'll excuse those of us who were here since nearly the start for being concerned whenever Disney does anything with this franchise.

I love how you word this, implying you are have propriety since "you've been here since the beginning", assuming that JimB hasn't been their that long either. And sorry, but most of the other stuff done by people who had propriety rights to Star Wars, did shit with Star Wars. Most of the EU sucks, it really does. It's poorly written, poorly conceived fanfiction that happened to get published, because what the fuck else was anyone going to do with the license? Not much. So please don't act like the previous material under the Star Wars banner is some untouchable work of art, that is going to be soiled by the Mouse's fingers upon it. It's all campy crap to some degree or other. It's just now going to be Disney flavored campy crap.

 

[Something Amyss]

Turns out there are gay people who like escapism too, and would like to believe they have a place in a galaxy far, far away.

Yes, but pointing out we exist is political. As is our existence, it seems.

Speaking of...

you'll excuse those of us who were here since nearly the start for being concerned whenever Disney does anything with this franchise.

Please don't speak for me. I've been following Star Wars almost as long as it's existed, and I'm not "concerned" about this.

This has nothing to do with being a long-time fan.

 

[JimB]

Turns out there are gay people who like escapism too, and would like to believe they have a place in a galaxy far, far away.

Yes, but pointing out we exist is political. As is our existence, it seems.

It's the shamelessness of the "I have a right to pretend you don't exist, and that right confers upon you and everyone else the duty to also pretend you don't exist" argument that really gets to me.

 

[Something Amyss]

It's the shamelessness of the "I have a right to pretend you don't exist, and that right confers upon you and everyone else the duty to also pretend you don't exist" argument that really gets to me.

Indeed. However, I think what I resent more is the base notion of dismissing this as "politics."

 

[Metalix Knightmare]

It is not your Jedi space Muppet robot opera. It is Disney's Jedi space Muppet robot opera. Disney has decided what it wants to do with its Jedi space Muppet robot opera.

And part of that involved giving the guy who wrote "Wibbily wobbily TIE Fighter" and "Space Daipers" multiple books to write, as well as giving EA of all companies exclusive rights for making Star Wars games so you'll excuse those of us who were here since nearly the start for being concerned whenever Disney does anything with this franchise.

I love how you word this, implying you are have propriety since "you've been here since the beginning", assuming that JimB hasn't been their that long either. And sorry, but most of the other stuff done by people who had propriety rights to Star Wars, did shit with Star Wars. Most of the EU sucks, it really does. It's poorly written, poorly conceived fanfiction that happened to get published, because what the fuck else was anyone going to do with the license? Not much. So please don't act like the previous material under the Star Wars banner is some untouchable work of art, that is going to be soiled by the Mouse's fingers upon it. It's all campy crap to some degree or other. It's just now going to be Disney flavored campy crap.

It may have bee mostly crap, but it was crap with more dignity than Wibbily TIE Fighters, and Space Diapers.

I'm FULLY aware of how low the old EU went, but even the giant ant hive mind people and Luuke weren't anywhere NEAR that level of pure undiluted suck.

Seriously, Sapce Diapers? That's pure Jetsons right there.

Also, funny how you call the old EU fanfic when the latest freaking MOVIE takes so many elements from Star Wars fanfic that it's hilarious.

 

[FirstNameLastName]

It is not your Jedi space Muppet robot opera. It is Disney's Jedi space Muppet robot opera. Disney has decided what it wants to do with its Jedi space Muppet robot opera.

And part of that involved giving the guy who wrote "Wibbily wobbily TIE Fighter" and "Space Daipers" multiple books to write, as well as giving EA of all companies exclusive rights for making Star Wars games so you'll excuse those of us who were here since nearly the start for being concerned whenever Disney does anything with this franchise.

I love how you word this, implying you are have propriety since "you've been here since the beginning", assuming that JimB hasn't been their that long either. And sorry, but most of the other stuff done by people who had propriety rights to Star Wars, did shit with Star Wars. Most of the EU sucks, it really does. It's poorly written, poorly conceived fanfiction that happened to get published, because what the fuck else was anyone going to do with the license? Not much. So please don't act like the previous material under the Star Wars banner is some untouchable work of art, that is going to be soiled by the Mouse's fingers upon it. It's all campy crap to some degree or other. It's just now going to be Disney flavored campy crap.

It may have bee mostly crap, but it was crap with more dignity than Wibbily TIE Fighters, and Space Diapers.

I'm FULLY aware of how low the old EU went, but even the giant ant hive mind people and Luuke weren't anywhere NEAR that level of pure undiluted suck.

Seriously, Sapce Diapers? That's pure Jetsons right there.

Also, funny how you call the old EU fanfic when the latest freaking MOVIE takes so many elements from Star Wars fanfic that it's hilarious.

What exactly is the context of these space diapers you keep bringing up? Is there some kind of strange aspect to them I'm not seeing, or is it just the idea itself. Because if it's the later, I don't really see the problem, since real astronauts already have space diapers. After all, if you're in a TIE fighter you can hardily just get up and go to the bathroom.

 

[Strazdas]

There's more to it than that. The Clones from the clone wars suffer from accelerated aging, so they would not be in prime condition to fight in the army by the time A New Hope takes place. The Empire cut corners and went with regular recruits because it was cheaper. As a result, you had stormtroopers with varying levels of skill and an overall weaker army.

This assumes that all clones are grown at once. There is nothing stopping Empire from growing new clones for A New Hope as far as i know.

Cloning facilities were destroyed if we can consider that canon still.

Something as big and spread out as The Empire has only one cloning facility location and cannot rebuild it?

 

[JimB]

Something as big and spread out as the Empire has only one cloning facility location and cannot rebuild it?

I don't understand why they would want to rebuild the cloning facilities. You can't convince me cloning new soldiers is more cost-effective than conscription. It might produce less skilled soldiers, but so what? What does the Empire care? They just feed the Stormtroopers to the wrong end of a blaster's barrel anyway; any bad soldiers will get the Empire's losses cut on the battlefield.

 

[Strazdas]

Something as big and spread out as the Empire has only one cloning facility location and cannot rebuild it?

I don't understand why they would want to rebuild the cloning facilities. You can't convince me cloning new soldiers is more cost-effective than conscription. It might produce less skilled soldiers, but so what? What does the Empire care? They just feed the Stormtroopers to the wrong end of a blaster's barrel anyway; any bad soldiers will get the Empire's losses cut on the battlefield.

That depends really on a few things. How expensive is cloning in Star Wars Universe. How much benefits do the soldiers get. How much Empire cares about their soldiers being drones without personal opinion or they just take the losses that some will get morally righteous and defect to the rebels. Conscription also lowers security in that rebels may infiltrate the ranks. What does the Empire care about is indeed the question. We do know that at least at one point it cared enough to think Clones were worth the effort.

 

[happyninja42]

It is not your Jedi space Muppet robot opera. It is Disney's Jedi space Muppet robot opera. Disney has decided what it wants to do with its Jedi space Muppet robot opera.

And part of that involved giving the guy who wrote "Wibbily wobbily TIE Fighter" and "Space Daipers" multiple books to write, as well as giving EA of all companies exclusive rights for making Star Wars games so you'll excuse those of us who were here since nearly the start for being concerned whenever Disney does anything with this franchise.

I love how you word this, implying you are have propriety since "you've been here since the beginning", assuming that JimB hasn't been their that long either. And sorry, but most of the other stuff done by people who had propriety rights to Star Wars, did shit with Star Wars. Most of the EU sucks, it really does. It's poorly written, poorly conceived fanfiction that happened to get published, because what the fuck else was anyone going to do with the license? Not much. So please don't act like the previous material under the Star Wars banner is some untouchable work of art, that is going to be soiled by the Mouse's fingers upon it. It's all campy crap to some degree or other. It's just now going to be Disney flavored campy crap.

It may have bee mostly crap, but it was crap with more dignity than Wibbily TIE Fighters, and Space Diapers.

I'm FULLY aware of how low the old EU went, but even the giant ant hive mind people and Luuke weren't anywhere NEAR that level of pure undiluted suck.

Seriously, Sapce Diapers? That's pure Jetsons right there.

Also, funny how you call the old EU fanfic when the latest freaking MOVIE takes so many elements from Star Wars fanfic that it's hilarious.

What exactly is the context of these space diapers you keep bringing up? Is there some kind of strange aspect to them I'm not seeing, or is it just the idea itself. Because if it's the later, I don't really see the problem, since real astronauts already have space diapers. After all, if you're in a TIE fighter you can hardily just get up and go to the bathroom.

I have no idea, but whenever he says space diapers, all I can think of is Empire Strikes Back, where Luke is floating in the bacta tank wearing a big ass diaper. So you know, I don't really see how this is out of character for Star Wars, as there is an example of it in the original trilogy.

 

[Metalix Knightmare]

It is not your Jedi space Muppet robot opera. It is Disney's Jedi space Muppet robot opera. Disney has decided what it wants to do with its Jedi space Muppet robot opera.

And part of that involved giving the guy who wrote "Wibbily wobbily TIE Fighter" and "Space Daipers" multiple books to write, as well as giving EA of all companies exclusive rights for making Star Wars games so you'll excuse those of us who were here since nearly the start for being concerned whenever Disney does anything with this franchise.

I love how you word this, implying you are have propriety since "you've been here since the beginning", assuming that JimB hasn't been their that long either. And sorry, but most of the other stuff done by people who had propriety rights to Star Wars, did shit with Star Wars. Most of the EU sucks, it really does. It's poorly written, poorly conceived fanfiction that happened to get published, because what the fuck else was anyone going to do with the license? Not much. So please don't act like the previous material under the Star Wars banner is some untouchable work of art, that is going to be soiled by the Mouse's fingers upon it. It's all campy crap to some degree or other. It's just now going to be Disney flavored campy crap.

It may have bee mostly crap, but it was crap with more dignity than Wibbily TIE Fighters, and Space Diapers.

I'm FULLY aware of how low the old EU went, but even the giant ant hive mind people and Luuke weren't anywhere NEAR that level of pure undiluted suck.

Seriously, Sapce Diapers? That's pure Jetsons right there.

Also, funny how you call the old EU fanfic when the latest freaking MOVIE takes so many elements from Star Wars fanfic that it's hilarious.

What exactly is the context of these space diapers you keep bringing up? Is there some kind of strange aspect to them I'm not seeing, or is it just the idea itself. Because if it's the later, I don't really see the problem, since real astronauts already have space diapers. After all, if you're in a TIE fighter you can hardily just get up and go to the bathroom.

I have no idea, but whenever he says space diapers, all I can think of is Empire Strikes Back, where Luke is floating in the bacta tank wearing a big ass diaper. So you know, I don't really see how this is out of character for Star Wars, as there is an example of it in the original trilogy.

It is not your Jedi space Muppet robot opera. It is Disney's Jedi space Muppet robot opera. Disney has decided what it wants to do with its Jedi space Muppet robot opera.

And part of that involved giving the guy who wrote "Wibbily wobbily TIE Fighter" and "Space Daipers" multiple books to write, as well as giving EA of all companies exclusive rights for making Star Wars games so you'll excuse those of us who were here since nearly the start for being concerned whenever Disney does anything with this franchise.

I love how you word this, implying you are have propriety since "you've been here since the beginning", assuming that JimB hasn't been their that long either. And sorry, but most of the other stuff done by people who had propriety rights to Star Wars, did shit with Star Wars. Most of the EU sucks, it really does. It's poorly written, poorly conceived fanfiction that happened to get published, because what the fuck else was anyone going to do with the license? Not much. So please don't act like the previous material under the Star Wars banner is some untouchable work of art, that is going to be soiled by the Mouse's fingers upon it. It's all campy crap to some degree or other. It's just now going to be Disney flavored campy crap.

It may have bee mostly crap, but it was crap with more dignity than Wibbily TIE Fighters, and Space Diapers.

I'm FULLY aware of how low the old EU went, but even the giant ant hive mind people and Luuke weren't anywhere NEAR that level of pure undiluted suck.

Seriously, Sapce Diapers? That's pure Jetsons right there.

Also, funny how you call the old EU fanfic when the latest freaking MOVIE takes so many elements from Star Wars fanfic that it's hilarious.

What exactly is the context of these space diapers you keep bringing up? Is there some kind of strange aspect to them I'm not seeing, or is it just the idea itself. Because if it's the later, I don't really see the problem, since real astronauts already have space diapers. After all, if you're in a TIE fighter you can hardily just get up and go to the bathroom.

The context of the line in question is a taunt during a fight between two characters. Said quote is "I've been doing this since before you were in space diapers."

So no, it's not a comment on what guys in space ships for long lengths of time wear, it's not a comment on the bacta tank undies (And seriously dude, that's a weak defense. Why the HELL would they call it a space diaper?) it's something little babies in the star wars universe. Space Diapers. Not just regular diapers no, they gotta be SPACE diapers, because everything is in space and all.

Seriously, it's a thing I would expect from the goddamn JETSONS! I can buy Diapers being a thing in Star Wars, but calling them Space Diapers is like calling a Nerf a Space Oxen. =

Combine this with TIE Fighters that "wibbles and wobbles through the air, careening drunkenly across the Myrran rooftops - it zigzags herkily-jerkily out of sight.", Admiral Akbar not being able to shut up about traps, too many characters trying to use a land speeder so they hitch up a corpse for one of them to ride like a surf board (Go watch the speeder chase in Episode 6 and tell me how well that would work.), and an author who decided that anyone who freaking hated this piece of crap is apparently just homophobic, and TELL me that this piece of shit on paper isn't worse than ANYTHING the old EU put out!
The worse thing is, it actually gets worse. Here's another quote.

"The pilot, Wedge Antilles, once Red Leader and now?well, now something else, a role without a formal title, as yet, because things are so new, so different, so wildly up in the air?sits there and takes a moment."

A serious publication would reject the entire book on this section alone. It's clunky. Navigating it is like traversing a freshly-logged hill. There's no safe place to put your footing, no ease of rest, the cadence forces you to read right to the end to actually be able to parse what the fuck he's saying. As one of my old college professors would have put it, "it's like chewing on gravel."

Seriously, read that out-loud and tell me if that sounds pleasurable to your ear or not. It's like this guy is confused about what kind of sounds do what. It's so cacophonic that it's damn-near unreadable.

Alternatively, I could just simply note that it's distracting run-on sentence, but that doesn't do the problem justice.

I've actually seen better prose that I've instantly rejected, or at least thrown into the slush pile. I hate to say this, but I would actually read Denning or Traviss over this garbage.

 

[Something Amyss]

The cloning facility was created and ran by aliens. So rebuilding it would require the Empire to work with said aliens to get it done.

Also, the Empire had a radically different philosophy towards combat, so why would they go to the expense of rebuilding?

Their stormtroopers are cannon fodder, their TIEs disposable, and they rely on shock and awe more than skill. Using humans just seems more cost-efficient, if you don't care how many die.

 

[Lightknight]

"J.J. Abrams Says Gay Characters Are Coming to Star Wars" Phrasing, boom.

Anyone else get an image of people in gay character cosplay getting off on Star Wars?

Joking aside, I'm not sure what people are expecting him to do here with what he said. I was pretty sure that there were already gay characters in the franchise. When asking for gay characters are they asking for the portrayal of the relationship or just a character whose bio says 'gay'? Because the latter is the most likely for him to pull off in a Disney movie.

 

[Something Amyss]

And seriously dude, that's a weak defense. Why the HELL would they call it a space diaper?

I don't know, why are there so many hits on "space diapers" on Google?

I'd tell you to Google it, but...I need to go burn my monitor now.

 

[Metalix Knightmare]

And seriously dude, that's a weak defense. Why the HELL would they call it a space diaper?

I don't know, why are there so many hits on "space diapers" on Google?

I'd tell you to Google it, but...I need to go burn my monitor now.

Holy crap. It must be a blue moon cause we actually agree on something. Thank goodness I keep spare monitors.