Politrukk said:
On that first part :
I just don't believe it to be accidental not on the interviewers part nor on the interviewee's reply.
For some reason they actually keep drawing attention to these aesthetic differences in characters.
Where my point is I'd love to see a divers cast, but I'd love to see them, not hear that talked about again and again.
The people that I see who are constantly bringing up the gender/race/sexual orientation of the cast, are people such as yourself, who are pointing it out as some negative aspect of the production. I'm sure some people are talking from the other side about it, sure, it's 7billion people on this planet after all. But the overwhelming voice that brings up that subject at all, is your side of the subject. So I don't really see where you can stand behind the "I just wish this wouldn't be a talking point", when it is literally a talking point that you yourself introduced into that previous thread.
Politrukk said:
Due to the presence of Mace Windu and Lando Calrissian in the previous movies I found the sudden need to point out that they were casting someone of colour in a title role a bit odd, same goes for the extensive work that has gone into creating a fanbase for Rey less for what she does as a character and more for what she seems to do as a woman.
Really? A grand total of 2 black people in all of the galaxy, and they had bit parts at best. And you think it isn't of note (to some people in the community anyway), to point out that one of the 2 main protagonists is black? I think it's a relevant point to mention. The minority groups in the world are becoming more vocal about wanting to see people that more accurately reflect them in movies, that's just the reality of things. Now while I personally do take issue with picking someone to play a role because they are closely aligned to the character in real life (picking someone to play a gay character
because they are gay, and not because they are the best actor for the role, for example), I don't have any issue with the media and press engine using this as a selling point. That's what advertisement is for. The crux of my issue with your entire case, is that you imply that is why they were picked for the role in the first place. And there is simply no evidence for that. Considering how charismatic and charming, and flat out funny John Boyega is, I think it more likely that they picked him because he was the right kind of actor for the role they wanted. And he just happened to be black. Now sure, the advertisement team jumped on that to hype it up, but they do that for everything. If you actually have factual evidence that John Boyega was picked because he's black, or that Daisy Ridley was picked because she's a woman, than please provide it and I will reconsider my stance. But if not, then please acknowledge that it's just your
opinion that their gender/ethnicity is why they were chosen for their role.
Politrukk said:
On that note there were characters in Star Wars Clone Wars that were gay and we never made a big thing about that I believe?
(At least it's heavily implied that Ahsoka and that Green Padawan had a fling)
No clue, I stopped watching Clone Wars after about season...3? *shrugs* Lost interest in it, though I suspect they probably just showed the 2 characters being close friends, and people have shipped that as they were lesbians. But an animated TV show is not the same thing as the official Star Wars movie series. There is waaaay more pedigree associated with the movies. The Clone Wars cartoon didn't rake in however many billion dollars of revenue, and wasn't the most anticipated movie globally in 30+ years. It was a cartoon that was mostly ok, that had a loyal following from the die hard Star Wars fans, but most casual fans (like myself), didn't really watch it much.
Politrukk said:
It's all fine and dandy untill it is purposefully exploited as news and utilized for attention.
Then take it up with the advertisement/entertainment industry, and not imply it's intentional on the part of the movie developers.
Politrukk said:
On that second part : whilst true in essence that is however not what is written there, ofcourse all kinds of pairing could have made that happen but for Harry Potter's story as it is written it is a vital part and Snape has to be straight(or bi-sexual to be in love with Lily.)
The point I'm trying to make, is the love interest of Snape/Lily, and how it impacts the Potter series, could be exactly replicated 100%, if it was Snape/James. Unrequited love for James, colors his reactions to others as a student, then James' eventual death at the hands of Voldemort strickens Snape with grief, and he swears his allegiance to Dumbledore to bring down the Death-Eaters from within. As he lays dying, he can look at Harry and say "You have your father's eyes." (Or whenever it was he says that in the series, I forget) There is no specific need, for that plot element as it is presented in the books, where it
must be straight. Instead of hating the part of James he sees in Harry, it could be the part of his mother instead (she took James away from Snape after all). Just flip the personalities, and it's exactly the same functionality for the plot.
Politrukk said:
Actually one could argue that adoption is ruled out because Snape is reported to hate Harry because he had traits passed onto him from his parents that very much reminded Snape of them, this implies that the biological connection furthers the story.
I seem to remember something about his father's demanour but his mother's eyes or some such.
Edit:
Amending that second part
The fact that both Lily and James pass down genetical information that is openly referenced by Snape as reminding him and feeding his feelings actually means it does inform the story in a tangible irremovable way.
I agree, it does impact the story, but again, nothing about it requires the Snape aspect of it to be heterosexual. Just gender flip the terms used, and it all still works just fine. "You have your mother's eyes", the woman he secretly hates (instead of James), because she took James away from him, and was also a ***** who mocked him as a loser (If we're doing a complete role reversal here. Just have her be a character from Mean Girls, who mocks the nerdy guy, and it serves the same narrative purpose). In either scenario, Snape's love is unrequited. The gender of the target of his love, as it reflects on Snape's involvement in the story, is perfectly fluid. I don't recall Snape ever expressing a desire to be Harry's father? So it's not a case of "you're the son I always wanted/never had", but the "you are the last bit of your mother that lives, and I failed her, so I swore to protect you for her". At least that's how I remember it, I could be totally wrong there, and Snape did have some daddy issues with Harry. But I don't think so. Which again, could easily be replicated with James being the target of the affection, instead of Lily. I don't know, maybe some rabid Potter fan can clarify for me, but when I read the books, I didn't come away from them thinking Snape had any direct effection for Harry, and that his love was purely for Lily. And that there was no desire for him as a son.
Politrukk said:
I'm not sure if it is possible today for two gay people to have a child that has genetic markers from both of them but I don't think it was possible at all in the 1990's yet (single parent yes, double no).
I'm not up on genetic science, so not sure, but it's Potter-verse, they've got magic and shit. They could probably justify it with somebody being under a polymorph spell or something and having sex then. Because you know, Potter magic is the biggest Deus Ex Machina around as far as it being able to do whatever the plot needs it to do, even if it contradicts itself later. But either way, it really doesn't change it. Snape doesn't have to have the potential to father Harry for his plot to matter at all. It's the lost love, and being constantly reminded of the person who took your love away from you, in the eyes of the person who also reminds you of the one you love. Which again, is easily replicated if you just switch the gender that Snape loved. *shrugs*
And to clarify, I'm not arguing that someone's sexual orientation can't be integral to a story, it totally can, I'm just pointing out there isn't anything intrinsically hetero about the example you used specifically. All of the story tropes utilized in Snape's arc, could easily be used in a gay scenario, without impacting the narrative in any way.
