Japanese Fallout: New Vegas Ads Hate On JRPGs

[WanderingFool]

This is such bs;

"it would be nice if the main character had a mission aside from just wiping out evil."

Hey, Newsflash!
FALLOUT by bethesda is the exact same thing and anyone who disagrees can go ahead and yell their throats out.

I think they're referring to the fact that you can be evil... Isn't that kind of the exact opposite of wiping it out? Granted, I don't really know the story of Fallout. I thought it was pretty open though.

Not in Bethesda's case nor many of the big developers these days because you're still FORCED to do the Main Quest of Goodness despite all your evil intentions.

Yeah, I would like to see a rpg where you didnt have a actual overall story. Just... do whatever you want for how ever long you want.

*Edit*

In order to complete Fallout By Bethesda, you need to enter the Brotherhood of Steel. Or should I say the apperent very-caring near christian-religious group whom they were not in the originals. Who'll accept you inside their walls even if you have slain entire villages - because that is what the storyline demands you to do, it cannot progress unless you enter BoS base.

I rest my case.

Bethesda didnt do Fallout the justice it deserved, as there was alot of things that didnt line up with the FO mythos. So Bethesda is at fault, yes.

 

[BehattedWanderer]

Coincidental to this article, I have an urge for October 18th to arrive. Unprecedented. Hopefully something new and exciting will have just hit shelves then. But then again...Q4 looks like it will be pretty exciting this year...

 

[NickCaligo42]

Welp. That'll insure Japan never buys a single copy of Fallout: New Vegas.

 

[Raithnor]

Here's the hole Obsidian needs to make sure they don't fall into:

Don't create set pieces in the main plot that are only possible with a very specific set of skills. The biggest flaw I heard of in Alpha protocol having was certain Boss fights that required an insane amount of firepower to put down.

KOTOR2 suffered from similar problems. The last mission basically turned into a lightsaber hackfest.

 

[Strife2GFAQs]

I'm starting to wonder if I should move to Japan...JRPGS HO!

Anyway, every genre has stereotypes. It is unfair to criticize "androgynous prepubescent males with stupid costumes and hair coming of age while finding seven special items to combat the ultimate evil," when every second or third shooter out there has something to do with "space marines," "aliens," or "power armor." The last WRPG I played was Morrowind, and I didn't get it. FPS or First Person ANYTHING irks me. Even worse would be a game that does both. I grew up with JRPGs, and even though they are showing the age (what I wouldn't do to have some macho FPS characters in the genre), I'll stick with them when they are done well. There are games like Persona and Dragon Quest to keep me coming back.

 

[TheDrunkNinja]

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In order to complete Fallout By Bethesda, you need to enter the Brotherhood of Steel. Or should I say the apperent very-caring near christian-religious group whom they were not in the originals. Who'll accept you inside their walls even if you have slain entire villages - because that is what the storyline demands you to do, it cannot progress unless you enter BoS base.

I rest my case.

Case reopened. You have NOT in fact played Fallout 3 all the way through.

A: The Brotherhood of Steel is not by any means "religious" let alone Christian. They are a marine-esque organization dedicated to procuring and creating technology. The DC division featured in Bethesda's Fallout differ from this creed in that they also want to help people. That's it. Nothing more.

B: You don't have to join at all. It is an option, like everything else in the game.

C: At the end of the game, you are actually given a choice to save the Wasteland with life-giving clean water, or poison the DC Wasteland with a virus that forces the people's evolution to rapidly increase, creating a race of super mutants better than humanity, but at the cost of what is to be thousands of lives.

Case dismissed.

 

[WanderingFool]

Here's the hole Obsidian needs to make sure they don't fall into:

Don't create set pieces in the main plot that are only possible with a very specific set of skills. The biggest flaw I heard of in Alpha protocol having was certain Boss fights that required an insane amount of firepower to put down.

KOTOR2 suffered from similar problems. The last mission basically turned into a lightsaber hackfest.

thats true, just one of the many flaws in that game. Still loved it though.

*Edit*

Dont want to write a new post yet, but I like to point out that I havent enjoyed a JRPG for since Chrono Trigger, That was until I played Resonance of Fate. Love that game.

 

[Jonesy911]

My favourite genre is the JRPG, and while I do think is is a case of the pot calling the kettle black, they do have a point. JRPGS died around 2001, sure there is the occasional spark of hope ('Persona 3&4' two of the best jrpgs ever) but the genre as a whole is stagnating and with the release of the abysmal 'Final Fantasy 13' this year and the endless barrage of mediocore titles such as 'Infinite Undiscovery' and 'Eternal Sonata' I think it is safe to assume that for the time being, JRPGS are dead. Maybe 'Persona 5' will revive them but I doubt it will the attention it deserves.

On the other hand, Fallout: New Vegas is Oblivion with guns and oblivion is just morrowind with better graphics and morrowind is shit.

 

[Jonesy911]

i do love RPG's, both W and J, however they both are rife with problems. JRPG's have the problem that they are all virtually the same (with the exception of the Tales of games, but they are starting to look kind of genericy too) and Western RPG's have the problem that they are all trying to tell Lord of The Rings all over again. Sometimes with minorly varrying themes but only minorly.

"with the exception of the Tales of games"

Are you being serious? The first thing I think whenever I play one of those games is "Did I accidently put a Final Fantasy disc into my playstation?"

 

[robinkom]

Hahaha, I love it. Things need to be shaken up a bit over there. JRPG's haven't substantially changed in decades and I cannot stomach them like I used to... I'm basically saying if you've seen one, you've seen them all and that I stopped caring after the Genesis/SNES era.

I think Final Fantasy and Dragon Quests, in all their popularity, are essentially counter-productive to moving the genre forward. Young lady/boy/ladyboy has no aim in life, experiences traumatic things, gains sense of duty/revenge, finds mythic weapon, slays one responsible, discovers bigger evil, slays bigger evil, the end. With no variation, no say in the outcome of things, no personalization of your own aside from a tedious crafting system that only appeals to those with an extreme completionist OCD.

You could consider such structure as "RPG Training Wheels" for those uninitiated to the genre, I know it's how my interest was sparked. But I'm older now and that which appealed to me then, doesn't necessarily appeal to me now. Just because you enjoyed watching Ninja Turtles or He-Man as a kid doesn't mean you'll enjoy it now. You may look it and see the limited scope of the production or writing and want something more mature and better-written. Such is the same with RPGs. I played Baldur's Gate to death when it came out but I find it impossible to sit down with it today.

 

[B2kCyclops]

They love the ad in Japan.
At least that's what I heard from my buddies over there.
I think it's hillarious.
It's like the McDonalds/BurgerKing and the CocaCola/Pepsi "ad-feud".
Simply really good marketing.

 

[Buizel91]

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In order to complete Fallout By Bethesda, you need to enter the Brotherhood of Steel. Or should I say the apperent very-caring near christian-religious group whom they were not in the originals. Who'll accept you inside their walls even if you have slain entire villages - because that is what the storyline demands you to do, it cannot progress unless you enter BoS base.

I rest my case.

Case reopened. You have NOT in fact played Fallout 3 all the way through.

A: The Brotherhood of Steel is not by any means "religious" let alone Christian. They are a marine-esque organization dedicated to procuring and creating technology. The DC division featured in Bethesda's Fallout differ from this creed in that they also want to help people. That's it. Nothing more.

B: You don't have to join at all. It is an option, like everything else in the game.

C: At the end of the game, you are actually given a choice to save the Wasteland with life-giving clean water, or poison the DC Wasteland with a virus that forces the people's evolution to rapidly increase, creating a race of super mutants better than humanity, but at the cost of what is to be thousands of lives.

Case dismissed.

The Drunken one speaks the truth...also you can still be evil by getting the brotherhood captain girl (can't remember her bloody name...something about lions? =S) to sacrifice herself, which is still pretty evil.

 

[squid5580]

Well, you don't complain that FPS's don't change there anything, why complain that JRPGs don't? At least they try. Not that I don't like fallout of course, but this is stupid.

No kidding. RPGs seem to be the ones pushing the envelope trying to evolve. Granted not every one is genius but at least they are trying.

i think the reason why ppl notice stagnation in RPGs instead of shooters is because RPGs are much more immersive. u pik ur characters choices, looks, u choose his armor, and sometimes the way he fights. the character u create in RPGs is much more like a virtual version of you, cept, you know, better looking. while in shooters u really only pik what guns u use and ur off. s its alot easier to pik out the sameness in RPGs.

First off there is very few RPGs that allow you to do what you described. Most will give you the option to change the names (which turns into every cutscene you being called "boy" or "you"). Not only that (since honestly it is neither here nor there) you are absolutely right that FPS's rarely even bother changing the guns let alone the enemies. How many Nazi's have gamers collectively killed. Although most importantly FPSes should be more immersive than an RPG. Consider this. You have an RPG that you described (Like Fallout 3). Although the difference being completely 3rd person. So you create your character to be as close to looking like you as you can. And you spend the next however many hours looking at your characters backside. How is that more immersive than seeing the world through the eyes of your character?

 

[BaldursBananaSoap]

Ironically New Vegas is barely an RPG either and looks like a copy paste of Fallout 3.

 

[V8 Ninja]

here is a list of only mentioned things:

1. faction relations. you can do a balancing act or side with one side but makes the other side hostile.

2. companion wheel. you can control your companions using this, companions are a big part of the game.

3. high rollers get suites in casinos (just like in real life)

4. if you cheat or win too much (if you just walk in off the street and win a million caps on your first visit, that's just suspicious), the manager kicks you out (just like in real life)

5. exchange rates of cash:
-NCR has gold-backed money, since it was cut off by gangs taking over the only NCR supply line to the area which was a local rail line it has lost all value.
-Wastelanders use caps.
-there are others but cant remember them.

6. you now have reputation in towns, if you do shit you're not allowed to the reputation goes down and if its low enough they don't want anything to do with you can shoot on sight. this was in the originals.

7. weapon mods. this was in the originals and gave a greater sense of how you play and variety. they gave you options to play however you like unlike bethesda which pretty much forces you do play THEIR way.

8. retarded character dialogue is making a comeback. this puts more emphasis on stats which is what rpgs are based on. this is the STRENGTH of black isle's staff. they come up with the most hilarious dialogue options when you choose retarded characters. intelligent character dialogue hasn't been mentioned, you could have witty comebacks and remarks in the original if your INT was high enough.

all this was at E3, in videos, and press releases.

I have my hands in the air. You've got me. Though I will defend Bethesda games until the end of time...

EDIT: Looking at the list again, most of this stuff was already done. In Morrowind. You could lower or raise your trust with certain races, you could "Mod" weapons by binding certain magical elements to them, and the more fame you had the more respectfully people treated you. Though I will give you one thing; Morrowind didn't have any stupid dialog. =P

 

[poiuppx]

Hehh. Cool ad. Still, ehh, I'm a Fallout fanatic, and even I can dig a good turned based button presser now and again. Hope this brings the game more folks willing to give it a shot, though.

 

[BenzSmoke]

The irony, of course, is that Fallout 3 at least didn't have much in the way of REAL choices.

Exactly what I was thinking. You better deliver on those promises Obsidian!

-Snip-

Case reopened. You have NOT in fact played Fallout 3 all the way through.

A: The Brotherhood of Steel is not by any means "religious" let alone Christian. They are a marine-esque organization dedicated to procuring and creating technology. The DC division featured in Bethesda's Fallout differ from this creed in that they also want to help people. That's it. Nothing more.

B: You don't have to join at all. It is an option, like everything else in the game.

C: At the end of the game, you are actually given a choice to save the Wasteland with life-giving clean water, or poison the DC Wasteland with a virus that forces the people's evolution to rapidly increase, creating a race of super mutants better than humanity, but at the cost of what is to be thousands of lives.

Case dismissed.

I'd just like to say that A is correct.

But B and C aren't:
B: After being awoken by Elder Lyons at the start of Broken Steel he informs you that you have been named a Knight of the Brotherhood. I think you can say that you didn't want to join the Brotherhood. However, In the long run, telling Lyons that doesn't effect the quests or, really, anything.

C: President Eden says that the virus was made to kill all mutated creatures not to cause mutations. I'm aware the Forced Evolutionary Virus is supposed to cause mutations, but Eden just says it's "modified" if you ask about it. Though, I think it would have been more interesting if Eden copied The Master and made the virus mutate people into new enemies to fight.

Also, I poisoned the water and killed Sara Lyons in my game and the only difference is that drinking several Aqua Pura will insta-kill you and Elder Lyons says something different when you ask about Sara at the beginning of BS.