Japanese Newspaper Confirms Wii 2 Controller Details
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reminds me of the dreamcast controller.
and that worked out well.
dont you have a product for this sort of thing nintendo? you know....the mountain of handheld re-releases youve done since the original gameboy? do you expect people to buy both? do you think having to look away from the game to see whatever is on the controller is intuitive? do you think this wont undermine the wii's main selling point of being cheap and easy to use? do you think this wont further the wii's main problem of no developers wanting to make games for your underpowered gimmick machine? do you think your main franchises still being better with a gamecube controller on the wii isnt a sign that stupid controllers do not innovate them?
honestly, the DS is annoying enough when a game barely uses the touchscreen, but makes you whip out the stylus for some obligatory gimmick. the only lasting value of it was an easier way to manage menus; and that was with a precise stylus on a fairly large screen which i could easily view at the same time as the other screen; it would not translate well to a controller and TV, either it would be to big and get in the way of the basic controls (kind of like the stick waggling of the wii), or too small and hard to use, or too limited in what it could display.
seems like a fairly useless addition; the nunchuck at least had you do something new, as much as i hate it; a touchscreen is just....a bad idea.
and that worked out well.
dont you have a product for this sort of thing nintendo? you know....the mountain of handheld re-releases youve done since the original gameboy? do you expect people to buy both? do you think having to look away from the game to see whatever is on the controller is intuitive? do you think this wont undermine the wii's main selling point of being cheap and easy to use? do you think this wont further the wii's main problem of no developers wanting to make games for your underpowered gimmick machine? do you think your main franchises still being better with a gamecube controller on the wii isnt a sign that stupid controllers do not innovate them?
honestly, the DS is annoying enough when a game barely uses the touchscreen, but makes you whip out the stylus for some obligatory gimmick. the only lasting value of it was an easier way to manage menus; and that was with a precise stylus on a fairly large screen which i could easily view at the same time as the other screen; it would not translate well to a controller and TV, either it would be to big and get in the way of the basic controls (kind of like the stick waggling of the wii), or too small and hard to use, or too limited in what it could display.
seems like a fairly useless addition; the nunchuck at least had you do something new, as much as i hate it; a touchscreen is just....a bad idea.
THE END IS NIGH
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM I TELLS YOU
no seriously this sounds really interesting, i am still not sure how looking at two screens at the same time will work properly(no, it's not the same as the DS,the screens there are the same size and the same distance from your face) but nintendo made me use a stylus so i will keep my ranting to myself until i get a chance to try one.
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM I TELLS YOU
no seriously this sounds really interesting, i am still not sure how looking at two screens at the same time will work properly(no, it's not the same as the DS,the screens there are the same size and the same distance from your face) but nintendo made me use a stylus so i will keep my ranting to myself until i get a chance to try one.
This would be true if the 3DS was just simply a small upgrade.Reyalsfeihc said:
It's not. It's like the transition between N64 and Gamecube.
Almost every company releases the exact same games over and over again. If they do anything different, people complain (example is Nuts n Bolts).josemlopes said:
Well, in all fairness, Sony has already confirmed the NGP to be significantly less powerful than the PS3. By next gen (when Cafe is released), those graphics will be last gen.OutrageousEmu said:
Didn't Nintendo say that their new console wasn't gonna be a "gimmick"?
I'm not gonna take this seriously until further notice... mostly because i don't want this to be true.
I'm not gonna take this seriously until further notice... mostly because i don't want this to be true.
If that's the case it'll kick Mr. Kojima's "Transfarring" project right in the ass, considering what he's trying to do with the PS3.Pingieking said:
Also I'm going to withhold any speculation for a few more days until we actually see what Nintendo has planned.
looks interesting but I,m worried the console is going to be overrun by shovelware due to Nintendo,s inability to say no to developers.
This is interesting. I wonder how they're gonna connect the controllers to the main game on-screen. If it was just another screen, I think it would be cool for some games to go the Crystal Chronicles route and have the main game on the TV, and a map/radar on the controller.
What I'm hearing about the haptic technology is cool, if not confusing. I don't understand how I'm supposed to play DS and gamecube at the same time? I only have two hands, Nintendo.
What I'm hearing about the haptic technology is cool, if not confusing. I don't understand how I'm supposed to play DS and gamecube at the same time? I only have two hands, Nintendo.
I say it's could be a half truth. Considering the track record of Nintendo it is highly likely the controller will be a touch screen but I think it will be like the GBA was for the Gamecube.
That or an attempting to make a full touch screen interface that changes what's on it's screen depending on the game, in which case I would be pissed off since I spent 20 years perfecting my muscle memory... unless it's just for retro games and the on screen buttons are those of the original controllers, in which case good idea as long as it still has shoulder buttons and an analog stick.
I would prefer the just make a wireless version of the Classic controller they have for the Wii for it that you plugged a touchscreen to so you can have some stuff like mini maps or something there.
That or an attempting to make a full touch screen interface that changes what's on it's screen depending on the game, in which case I would be pissed off since I spent 20 years perfecting my muscle memory... unless it's just for retro games and the on screen buttons are those of the original controllers, in which case good idea as long as it still has shoulder buttons and an analog stick.
I would prefer the just make a wireless version of the Classic controller they have for the Wii for it that you plugged a touchscreen to so you can have some stuff like mini maps or something there.
Exactly what I was going to ask.Pingieking said:
Ahem... NINTENDO? NOBODY WANTS TO PAY MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF MONEY FOR FREAKING CONTROLLERS. WE'RE ALREADY A LITTLE BUGGERED BY THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TO PAY 40 BUCKS FOR CONTROLLERS. ARE YOU LISTENING?
If somehow nintendo can make a touch screen, camera, and controller all-in-one affordable, then it sounds... Interesting.
I have to admit I'm a bit iffy about it. It sounds like they're sticking a handheld and a standard console together, which makes me wonder how interdependent the pieces are. I don't want to have to stick around my TV while using my handheld. Apart from that it just sounds a bit cluttered. If you have to look back and forth between the two screens on a regular basis, it's going to feel like a chore. The DS works because everything is nested well together and it's relatively easy to do everything at once(microphone shenanigans aside). Separating the two screens by about 90 degrees of head rotation sounds like a good way to strain something.
For everyone crying "gimmick", here are some practical uses for the screen I can think of off the top of my head:
1: in a game like Okami, you can draw the symbols on the touchscreen
2: in an FPS game, you can have a selection of guns on the screen and tap the one you want to switch to.
3: in an RTS game, you can make little routes planned or make notes on a map, or give commands.
4: in an RPG game, you can put certain spells or skill on the screen as a shortcut to fast-use.
5: in anything requiring numerical or alphabetical input, you can use the touchscreen.
6: in a turn-based strategy, it can be used to move units and select action and micro-manage
7: in a point-and-click game, it can be used to... well, point and click.
8: in an option menus, you can toggle certain features on and off.
9: in a character creation screen, the screen can be used for those little sliders.
10: in a sports game, you can set formations and select plays you frequently use.
11: in a party game, you can doodle on images on the big screen.
And this is from a sleep-deprived 18-year old. Imagine what a competent game designer could come up with. And if devs are smart, they can simply make a game for the console and IGNORE THE SCREEN IF IT ISN'T NEEDED. The controller itself is good enough for most AAA games these days. It's not like the Wii where there were little buttons to use and motion control was all but needed. The controller is a lot like modern controllers with plenty of buttons and the screen can simply be used to make things simpler.
1: in a game like Okami, you can draw the symbols on the touchscreen
2: in an FPS game, you can have a selection of guns on the screen and tap the one you want to switch to.
3: in an RTS game, you can make little routes planned or make notes on a map, or give commands.
4: in an RPG game, you can put certain spells or skill on the screen as a shortcut to fast-use.
5: in anything requiring numerical or alphabetical input, you can use the touchscreen.
6: in a turn-based strategy, it can be used to move units and select action and micro-manage
7: in a point-and-click game, it can be used to... well, point and click.
8: in an option menus, you can toggle certain features on and off.
9: in a character creation screen, the screen can be used for those little sliders.
10: in a sports game, you can set formations and select plays you frequently use.
11: in a party game, you can doodle on images on the big screen.
And this is from a sleep-deprived 18-year old. Imagine what a competent game designer could come up with. And if devs are smart, they can simply make a game for the console and IGNORE THE SCREEN IF IT ISN'T NEEDED. The controller itself is good enough for most AAA games these days. It's not like the Wii where there were little buttons to use and motion control was all but needed. The controller is a lot like modern controllers with plenty of buttons and the screen can simply be used to make things simpler.
Sources are also saying that it's significantly more powerful than the PS3/360. Whichever ones you're choosing to identify as prevalent are up to you, but these rumors exist too. In fact, they seem the most realistic, as an R700 series chipset will almost certainly outperform the 360 in almost every way.OutrageousEmu said:
We'll see....
Hopefully there'll be some solution to the controller price problem.
And since there's backward compatibility with the Wii, I'd expect GC controller ports....It would be the biggest fail ever if it didn't considering certain games' demand for them. (Brawl and Mario Kart, not to mention the ones that actually require it)
I'm getting the impression that devs will have a wide selection of control methods to choose from....and display methods to boot.
Hopefully there'll be some solution to the controller price problem.
And since there's backward compatibility with the Wii, I'd expect GC controller ports....It would be the biggest fail ever if it didn't considering certain games' demand for them. (Brawl and Mario Kart, not to mention the ones that actually require it)
I'm getting the impression that devs will have a wide selection of control methods to choose from....and display methods to boot.
Can you please explain what you mean by that. Touchscreens are gimmicks? Does that mean you would prefer your laptop had no trackpad? Does that mean you want to control your iPhone with a 360 controller?Ulquiorra4sama said:
How is something as simple, versatile, intuitive, and (at this point) universal as a touchscreen a gimmick?
Power Glove 2?minarri said:
I don't see Nintendo releasing a brand new handheld so soon after having released the 3DS unless the new controllers will function similarly to the PSP-Go in that they can be loaded with a memory stick (unless they also feature internal memory) and can be used to play games you've downloaded onto the system...which I think is Wiiware...I dunno...just thinking out loud as I tend to do.
Please tell me this will make up for the shittiness that is the 3DS. A console with decent games and whatnot.
I know I'm not the first for this but...Earnest Cavalli said:
OT: Why do I get the feeling that some monstrosity of a console is about to be belched forth from Nintendo. I'd be lying if I didn't say my collection has sorely missed the presence of a modern Nintendo console and games since the Gamecube went into obsolescence. Sorry gang, I just can't bring myself to buy a Wii; I think it sucks as a console. Before you all run to post your rage post I would direct you to posts where I've already defended my position on the matter here [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/7.149978.3512897] and here [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/7.149978.3513313]. No, you can't convince me to buy a Wii and no I am not a PS3/360/PC fanboy; I grew up a die-hard Nintendo fan and still am to an extent.
I hope dearly that this next console remedies all that was wrong with Wii. I've been jonesing for a proper Zelda title on a console for years now. Don't get me wrong I still enjoy the hell out of Wind Waker, OOT, and Majora's Mask but I need something fresh with the Zelda title in my library that's not a handheld release.
So yeah, Nintendo, please, please, please don't mess this up.