Japanese Newspaper Confirms Wii 2 Controller Details

[theheroofaction]

DOOOOOOOOM, THIS WILL KILL THE WHOLE GAMES INDUSTRY AND MAYBE A FEW OTHER MEDIUMS.

anyway, actual opinion time.

Looks kinda cool if a bit gimmicky. If it doesn't cost a small fortune I might get it

The "separate handheld system" thing sounds a little far fetched though.

But hey, E3,s just around the corner so I guess I'll hear about it then.

 

[Prof.Beany]

If it is used to do non-gimmicky things in games eg: touch inventory system in zelda or something of the like than I would probably buy it.

If it turns into ds shovelware type usefulness I'll be dissapointed, it should aid the games playability, and not be the sole focus of the game if it wants to be seen as anything more than a gimmick... at least for me anyway.

 

[Mad1Cow]

You say this, but what with the recent kerfuffle over Sony's hacking problem, they'll have lost a lot of customer support...the non-hardcore playstation fans anyway. Also Nintendo will obviously market this to the people that bought a wii saying HEY GUYS, WE MADE IT BETTER so they'll sucker in a lot of casual players like that. If Nintendo prepare a good line-up for this system on launch it will probably be the more successful one...though that's just my opinion...frankly I think it's looking more and more doubtful we'll see a PS4, so if we get it, count your blessings...

You do not get to use the PsN thing as a "Sony fails everything forever" excuse, thats BS. People stopped blaming Sony for this thing after a month, after that only people who hate Sony anyway don't blame the hackers.

Even if you do, however, here's a couple of names. Uncharted 3. Infamous 2. Twisted Metal. Resistance 3. We, as gamers, have our opinions of companies swayed based on the games they give u s more than anything. Do people still blame Valve for the catastrophic launch of Steam?

But even if, even if you discount Sony completely, there's Apple. Apple, who have completely dominated the casual market. Apple, who have two products based on touchscreen controls. As for thinking the casuals will upgrade, why would they do that? Remember, the casuals hardly touched their Wii after a month, why would they want or need a new one?

No but the market will not be seeing Sony as a valid investment because of the hack. Like I said, the playstation fans which are most gamers will be coming back because they've looked into it, realised it isn't 100% sony's fault and noticed that good games are coming out. It's not an excuse, it's common logic that because of this and how badly it was dealt with, investors are going to think twice because they might lose money. You'd be ignorant not to think otherwise.

Also, the general public are idiots, easily suckered in for the next gimmick. Yes people stopped playing the Wii after a month of purchase, but it was still bought wasn't it? Purchased by over 1,000,000,000 people. The games are predicted to be a wider variety than on the Wii since developers say it's easy to modify for it (compared to the wii, I mean motion controls really threw that in for a loop). The Wii knows how to market itself, it will show off it's gimmick going "LOOK NO-ONE'S DONE THIS BEFORE!!!" and the people will believe them, even if it's already been done by apple and sony. Sony just treat everything like it's nothing special and really lose out on suckering in a lot of customers. That and there's no approachable games for people on the PS3 or Xbox 360 (mostly shooters, nothing colourful and child friendly, so a lot of people unfamiliar with the workings of games, which is a big number, won't be so quick to purchase).

End of the day, it's arrogance to think that Sony will have an easy time with their next console, I doubt Nintendo will do as well as the Wii ever again, but I predict this time in sales they'll win over Sony. The general public are easy to grab so long as you haven't lost their trust...and trust is hard to get once it's been lost.

 

[Stavros Dimou]

Some people say it will be like Dreamcast,but that's not true.

The controller will be the console.
The main proccessor,graphics card etc are all inside the "controller".

See it as a powerful handheld that you can link to your t.v. as easily as you can link a 3g phone to a t.v.
The console pack will have two components:
The controller/console and a cheap wireless signal reciever that will be hooked with your T.V.

The controller is the console.

 

[Jake Lewis Clayton]

omg same news repeated for 4th time, with same sketchy photo of controllers which is months old.

Bloody hell its getting boreing news wise, its all *Sniff* Hackers hurting big bad companies *whine* yeah heres some re-hashed news because the Pre E3 lul has set in.

 

[Mad1Cow]

You say this, but what with the recent kerfuffle over Sony's hacking problem, they'll have lost a lot of customer support...the non-hardcore playstation fans anyway. Also Nintendo will obviously market this to the people that bought a wii saying HEY GUYS, WE MADE IT BETTER so they'll sucker in a lot of casual players like that. If Nintendo prepare a good line-up for this system on launch it will probably be the more successful one...though that's just my opinion...frankly I think it's looking more and more doubtful we'll see a PS4, so if we get it, count your blessings...

You do not get to use the PsN thing as a "Sony fails everything forever" excuse, thats BS. People stopped blaming Sony for this thing after a month, after that only people who hate Sony anyway don't blame the hackers.

Even if you do, however, here's a couple of names. Uncharted 3. Infamous 2. Twisted Metal. Resistance 3. We, as gamers, have our opinions of companies swayed based on the games they give u s more than anything. Do people still blame Valve for the catastrophic launch of Steam?

But even if, even if you discount Sony completely, there's Apple. Apple, who have completely dominated the casual market. Apple, who have two products based on touchscreen controls. As for thinking the casuals will upgrade, why would they do that? Remember, the casuals hardly touched their Wii after a month, why would they want or need a new one?

No but the market will not be seeing Sony as a valid investment because of the hack. Like I said, the playstation fans which are most gamers will be coming back because they've looked into it, realised it isn't 100% sony's fault and noticed that good games are coming out. It's not an excuse, it's common logic that because of this and how badly it was dealt with, investors are going to think twice because they might lose money. You'd be ignorant not to think otherwise.

Also, the general public are idiots, easily suckered in for the next gimmick. Yes people stopped playing the Wii after a month of purchase, but it was still bought wasn't it? Purchased by over 1,000,000,000 people. The games are predicted to be a wider variety than on the Wii since developers say it's easy to modify for it (compared to the wii, I mean motion controls really threw that in for a loop). The Wii knows how to market itself, it will show off it's gimmick going "LOOK NO-ONE'S DONE THIS BEFORE!!!" and the people will believe them, even if it's already been done by apple and sony. Sony just treat everything like it's nothing special and really lose out on suckering in a lot of customers. That and there's no approachable games for people on the PS3 or Xbox 360 (mostly shooters, nothing colourful and child friendly, so a lot of people unfamiliar with the workings of games, which is a big number, won't be so quick to purchase).

End of the day, it's arrogance to think that Sony will have an easy time with their next console, I doubt Nintendo will do as well as the Wii ever again, but I predict this time in sales they'll win over Sony. The general public are easy to grab so long as you haven't lost their trust...and trust is hard to get once it's been lost.

If investors were the ones who decide if a product sells, that'd be a valid point. However, two things - most of the costs incurred by the PsN hack were covered by insurance. Son y also recently told this to investors, and you know what? The response from investors was overall positive.And at the same time, the capital for the NGP is already spent. It exists already. Investors can't just say "take it off the market, we've lost confidence".

For the second, once again, Apple. Apple have beaten Nintendo in the "make gimmicky shit and pretend its an innovation" race. Have you noticed how the 3DS's sales continue to slip more and more? People can blame that on a terrible launch, but that doesn't explain the dropoff in casuals. Where's the people who buy it for Nintendogs?

As for approachable games on the Ps3, what, does Ratchet and Cank not exist? Did the weaponised cuteness of LittleBigPlanet go away?

The casual market Nintendo was courting have been snatched up by Apple. And its going back to a market of gamers who it spent the past 5 years insulting, spitting in their faces and neglecting. You wanna talk about losing trust? How about treating us like shit for 5 years. Hows that for losing trust?

Oh wow, I have seen the error of my ways, quickly I must buy a PS3 and revel in this mastery for as long as I can think. Oh but before I leave...2 games? That's all you can give me? No-one is going to shell out for 2 casual games unless they're REALLY REALLY good, like Portal good. You have to agree that the majority of games, like 80-90% of games on the PS3 are shooters or dark games for the gaming market, whereas the wii is the complete opposite. That's the reason why you don't see many people saying "THE WII IS EVIL!!!" no when they say "games are evil" they are referring to the overpopulated shooter market and the games like Mass Effect where apparently their 4 year old will be having saucy sex scenes with aliens...even though it's like a 16+ game...anyway gonna buy that PS3 now, learning how wrong I've been in my life, thank you for your revelling thoughts...

 

[Spud of Doom]

I can see this being a very promising concept if they integrate it well into the games. Using it basically as shortcut-style selection pad which can be used without looking, or viewing character stats/equips/missions in an RPG or something. Think like what the Poketch was in Pokemon D/P/Pt. Non-urgent displays and urgent complex (hotkey'd) inputs.

When they say it can operate as a portable, I wonder what that means. Not likely as a standalone system but perhaps something like streaming downloaded virtual console games, still receiving from the main console. So you can play those old SNES games on a nice handheld device. Something like that would be best since it drains minimal battery compared to alternatives and won't ramp the price right up by demanding a lot from the controller's internals.

I'll wait and see how it goes at E3. I feel like this will be a more reliable and versatile input method than what the Wii had with its instability and lack of good buttons.

 

[cydvis]

well we don't know anything: maybe the console won't even need a TV.
In that case it would be some sort of stream station for her wireless hd touchscreen controllers. It can be good, seriously.

 

[Mad1Cow]

You say this, but what with the recent kerfuffle over Sony's hacking problem, they'll have lost a lot of customer support...the non-hardcore playstation fans anyway. Also Nintendo will obviously market this to the people that bought a wii saying HEY GUYS, WE MADE IT BETTER so they'll sucker in a lot of casual players like that. If Nintendo prepare a good line-up for this system on launch it will probably be the more successful one...though that's just my opinion...frankly I think it's looking more and more doubtful we'll see a PS4, so if we get it, count your blessings...

You do not get to use the PsN thing as a "Sony fails everything forever" excuse, thats BS. People stopped blaming Sony for this thing after a month, after that only people who hate Sony anyway don't blame the hackers.

Even if you do, however, here's a couple of names. Uncharted 3. Infamous 2. Twisted Metal. Resistance 3. We, as gamers, have our opinions of companies swayed based on the games they give u s more than anything. Do people still blame Valve for the catastrophic launch of Steam?

But even if, even if you discount Sony completely, there's Apple. Apple, who have completely dominated the casual market. Apple, who have two products based on touchscreen controls. As for thinking the casuals will upgrade, why would they do that? Remember, the casuals hardly touched their Wii after a month, why would they want or need a new one?

No but the market will not be seeing Sony as a valid investment because of the hack. Like I said, the playstation fans which are most gamers will be coming back because they've looked into it, realised it isn't 100% sony's fault and noticed that good games are coming out. It's not an excuse, it's common logic that because of this and how badly it was dealt with, investors are going to think twice because they might lose money. You'd be ignorant not to think otherwise.

Also, the general public are idiots, easily suckered in for the next gimmick. Yes people stopped playing the Wii after a month of purchase, but it was still bought wasn't it? Purchased by over 1,000,000,000 people. The games are predicted to be a wider variety than on the Wii since developers say it's easy to modify for it (compared to the wii, I mean motion controls really threw that in for a loop). The Wii knows how to market itself, it will show off it's gimmick going "LOOK NO-ONE'S DONE THIS BEFORE!!!" and the people will believe them, even if it's already been done by apple and sony. Sony just treat everything like it's nothing special and really lose out on suckering in a lot of customers. That and there's no approachable games for people on the PS3 or Xbox 360 (mostly shooters, nothing colourful and child friendly, so a lot of people unfamiliar with the workings of games, which is a big number, won't be so quick to purchase).

End of the day, it's arrogance to think that Sony will have an easy time with their next console, I doubt Nintendo will do as well as the Wii ever again, but I predict this time in sales they'll win over Sony. The general public are easy to grab so long as you haven't lost their trust...and trust is hard to get once it's been lost.

If investors were the ones who decide if a product sells, that'd be a valid point. However, two things - most of the costs incurred by the PsN hack were covered by insurance. Son y also recently told this to investors, and you know what? The response from investors was overall positive.And at the same time, the capital for the NGP is already spent. It exists already. Investors can't just say "take it off the market, we've lost confidence".

For the second, once again, Apple. Apple have beaten Nintendo in the "make gimmicky shit and pretend its an innovation" race. Have you noticed how the 3DS's sales continue to slip more and more? People can blame that on a terrible launch, but that doesn't explain the dropoff in casuals. Where's the people who buy it for Nintendogs?

As for approachable games on the Ps3, what, does Ratchet and Cank not exist? Did the weaponised cuteness of LittleBigPlanet go away?

The casual market Nintendo was courting have been snatched up by Apple. And its going back to a market of gamers who it spent the past 5 years insulting, spitting in their faces and neglecting. You wanna talk about losing trust? How about treating us like shit for 5 years. Hows that for losing trust?

Oh wow, I have seen the error of my ways, quickly I must buy a PS3 and revel in this mastery for as long as I can think. Oh but before I leave...2 games? That's all you can give me? No-one is going to shell out for 2 casual games unless they're REALLY REALLY good, like Portal good. You have to agree that the majority of games, like 80-90% of games on the PS3 are shooters or dark games for the gaming market, whereas the wii is the complete opposite. That's the reason why you don't see many people saying "THE WII IS EVIL!!!" no when they say "games are evil" they are referring to the overpopulated shooter market and the games like Mass Effect where apparently their 4 year old will be having saucy sex scenes with aliens...even though it's like a 16+ game...anyway gonna buy that PS3 now, learning how wrong I've been in my life, thank you for your revelling thoughts...

Okay, one, its called an example. Do you want me to list every G rated Ps3 game? Cause thats an exhaustive bloody list. Do you understand thats how examples work?

3. Wow, 90%? That numbers so clean, its like you pulled it straight out of your ass. The actual number for people who know what they're talking about is 5%. 5% is not 90%, unless you know absolutely nothing about the issue at hand. Next you'll be telling me that was not intended as a factual statement.

No next I was going to say how I invented the rainbow you see flying out of many arses and how unicorns are indeed fact not fiction and how nobody could ever satisfy your intellectual charm you charismatic stallion you. Frankly I just realised about several posts ago, even if I did shove facts into your face, your view would not be changed whatsoever, so there's no point in attempting anymore. I can guarantee you're now thinking of posting something like "no I accept any valid facts and I'm an even person", but before you do post that, I'd like to point out that you may take valid facts, but your opinion still won't change, you'll just throw any related fact at the matter and claim me irrelevant because I have no facts to back up the matter and woe is me and how my IQ is less than that of the amount of hairs on vin diesel's head etc etc.

Oh, point 2 in the matter is that I'm bored of this conversation and while we're at it, for point 3, yes I would like you to list every G rated PS3 game, I'll be doing fun stuff while I wait, CIAO

EDIT: Oh right, real smart going and adding more points to a previous comment, whoop-dee-doo. OK let's begin. When I said the casual games have to be as good as Portal for people to shell out for, I meant because they'd have to buy a PS3 for 2 games. Rachet and Clank and Little Big Planet were not worth paying for a PS3. Ok they were good games, but I wouldn't have payed $599 for just 2 games unless they were Portal quality. Glad we cleared that up. NEXT

The numbers I pulled out was a rough estimate of mine scanning through the charts and previous sales and ROUGHLY they are mostly shooters and dark fantasy games and JRPGs. So ROUGHLY 20% of games on the PS3 are what we'd call "child friendly". If I'm linking an actual number I would most likely quote where I got that information from and wouldn't phrase my terms so loosely around it. Again just to reiterate, it's a ROUGH ESTIMATE. NEXT

At what point good sir did I say "parents hate the PS3 because of the Mass Effect thing"? I was referring to the state of overprotective parents in general. In fact I clearly stated the "overpopulated shooter market" and stated nothing about a PS3 in that sentance. It was a comment on gaming in general compared to what the Wii does. But I guess I should have made that more obvious, you know because EVERYTHING has to be exact and EVERYTHING that's a number has to be 100% accurate and EVERYTHING I say has to be sourced. You know it must be a criminal act for people to have an opinion nowadays, so go ahead, lock me up for my crimes, I've done no harm (unless I have, someone else stop me if I'm being an arse please).

Wow that was a long edit...surprised I haven't crashed the servers...

 

[Xanthious]

And that gimmick train keeps on a' rollin. Good to see Nintendo still can't make a console anymore that stands on the quality of the actual console and games rather that distracting people with some meaningless gimmick like Motion Controls or 3D or now a big ass touch screen in the controller that will likely also have some form of clunky motion control.

Fucking Christ man, how much or these monstrosities going to cost? You will likely only get one when you buy the console so if you want to play with another actual human being you will likely have to shell out at least another 50 (although I'm guessing closer to 100).

Nintendo hasn't released a decent home console since the SNES. The N64 was a failure on every single level conceivable. The Gamecube followed right in the N64's footprints down the fail path. While the Wii failed on every level except it was able to turn a tidy profit due to Nintendo courting the Farmville crowd and getting a big pile of that casual money as a result. I guess it's true when they say those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Nintendo is securing a rather secure place for themselves in the gaming world right along side Zynga. Both are largely completely devoid of quality while being fiscally successful. Soon we can debate which of the two made a bigger pile of money with the shittiest product they could produce.

 

[Balobo]

And we see Nintendos success end without any sort of dignity.

That's what they said about the Wii. And the DS, for that matter.

Were the Wii and DS trying to recreate an experience that you can get cheaper and better with several competitors products, as well as one of their own?

They're touting touchscreen controls, twin thumbsticks and current gen graphics. You know what else has that? The NGP. Difference? The NGP will be out a year ahead, will have a lower price, and is a fucking portable.

Well, in all fairness, Sony has already confirmed the NGP to be significantly less powerful than the PS3. By next gen (when Cafe is released), those graphics will be last gen.

Slightly, not signifigantly. Also, you're assuming Nintendo will do more than the bare minimum to try and appeal to people who care at all about graphics. The most prevelant estimations for the Cafe say slightly better than the 360 - pretty much dead on with the NGP.

Sources are also saying that it's significantly more powerful than the PS3/360. Whichever ones you're choosing to identify as prevalent are up to you, but these rumors exist too. In fact, they seem the most realistic, as an R700 series chipset will almost certainly outperform the 360 in almost every way.

Which'll be great if Nintendo decide to build a PC. The stronger rumours, i.e. the ones that come later on and aren't from IGN trying to stubbornly cover up their mistake, says its power is between the 360 and Ps3. You must admit, multiple sources saying the same thing is a bit more credible than people just linking back to IGN.

The rumors about it only being slightly more powerful than 360/PS3 ARE the early rumors. The large possibility of it being drastically more powerful only came recently.

We're arguing over rumors, nobody can win because we don't know anything for sure, but why are you so hellbent on "proving" it to be a weak system?

 

[Rensenhito]

Oh, okay. So it's like how you could use the DS as a controller for Pokemon Battle Revolution on the Wii, only not. Except not not, because it's pretty much exactly like that except that the controller's primary function is as a controller and not a handheld, as opposed to the DS's situation where it's a handheld first and a controller (very) second.
And now I've confused everybody ever in the world ever.

 

[Delusibeta]

And we see Nintendos success end without any sort of dignity.

That's what they said about the Wii. And the DS, for that matter.

Were the Wii and DS trying to recreate an experience that you can get cheaper and better with several competitors products, as well as one of their own?

They're touting touchscreen controls, twin thumbsticks and current gen graphics. You know what else has that? The NGP. Difference? The NGP will be out a year ahead, will have a lower price, and is a fucking portable.

Honestly? I think you'll probably turn out to be wrong in the first two counts.

 

[Stavros Dimou]

I will but the new console only if I'm sure series like Elder Scrolls,Mass Effect,Duke Nukem,Metro 2033,and others will actually be released on it.

 

[frasafrase]

This report is kind of vague. Most people are interpretting that that the controller is JUST a tuch screen. But in the previously leaked skematics to the Wii 2 controller, it showed both buttons AND the touch screen. So Nintendo isnt really taking anything away, just adding a new method for console gaming. I actually like what nintendo is doing.

NO MORE WAGGLE!

 

[frasafrase]

I totally agree. Hopefully third parties will actually come out with some main stream stuff.

 

[UnravThreads]

but it was still bought wasn't it? Purchased by over 1,000,000,000 people.

I think your sales figure is a little wrong.