Jimquisition: How Skyrim Proves The Industry Wrong
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pathetic... comparing skyrim to any other game
it's an open world game for at least 50+ hours... of course it doesn't need an online mode
and of course because it does not need an online pass because there is no such thing as server fees
where do you come from to assume that any of that can say anything about any other game?
what are we comparing next?
minesweeper to assassin's creed?
it's an open world game for at least 50+ hours... of course it doesn't need an online mode
and of course because it does not need an online pass because there is no such thing as server fees
where do you come from to assume that any of that can say anything about any other game?
what are we comparing next?
minesweeper to assassin's creed?
1. I saw the Fus Do Rah bit from a mile away, but still thoroughly enjoyed it.
2. I have to admit, I watched one episode of Jimquisition and wasn't very impressed, but after watching this, I have nothing but love for it. He is completely reasonable and accurate on all counts, including online passes. I can only say this about his Skyrim video: Jim is a brilliant, sexy bastard, the likes of which have not been seen since the beginning of ZP.
2. I have to admit, I watched one episode of Jimquisition and wasn't very impressed, but after watching this, I have nothing but love for it. He is completely reasonable and accurate on all counts, including online passes. I can only say this about his Skyrim video: Jim is a brilliant, sexy bastard, the likes of which have not been seen since the beginning of ZP.
Thank God for you, Jim...someone who will tell it like it is.
It's easy to blame the industry big-wigs for not exercising wisdom about this stuff, but truly, it's the consumers buying into those ideas that is creating these problems.
I teach middle-schoolers. When they asked me if I was buying MW3, I said no. They asked why and I explained that the first thing I look for in a game is a good single-player experience. Their response?
"Oh come on, nobody plays single-player anymore!"
Yeah... Granted these are a small handful of pre-teens, but there's an example of someone thinking that "buy a new CoD each year, pay for XBOX Live Gold, play thousands of hours of multi-player, buy new map packs as they come out, rinse and repeat" is the quintessential gaming experience. And there more people who think that way than I'd like to admit.
Way to go, Bethesda for proving that that model of gaming isn't the ONLY model worth pursuing, despite the existence of millions of CoD-kiddies.
It's easy to blame the industry big-wigs for not exercising wisdom about this stuff, but truly, it's the consumers buying into those ideas that is creating these problems.
I teach middle-schoolers. When they asked me if I was buying MW3, I said no. They asked why and I explained that the first thing I look for in a game is a good single-player experience. Their response?
"Oh come on, nobody plays single-player anymore!"
Yeah... Granted these are a small handful of pre-teens, but there's an example of someone thinking that "buy a new CoD each year, pay for XBOX Live Gold, play thousands of hours of multi-player, buy new map packs as they come out, rinse and repeat" is the quintessential gaming experience. And there more people who think that way than I'd like to admit.
Way to go, Bethesda for proving that that model of gaming isn't the ONLY model worth pursuing, despite the existence of millions of CoD-kiddies.
Meh beth makes huge worlds sure they are buggy and unbalanced but the sheer amount of content tends to make up for it, even more so with expansions.mjc0961 said:
All in all on the PC the games are good to great becuse you can mod it to taste, if you are on the console you are doubly screwed due t a lack of mods and never ending beta testing.
All the things he listed are also why I'm loving Skyward Sword. Nice, long single-player quest with no DLC just doin' it's own thing. Skyrim has also been awesome, and despite both having some issues, they've never been enough to make me think of either as any less than awesome.
There is a reasons why people won't shut up about it. It is a brilliant game. Not to say it is just an amazing game none the lessMB202 said:
On the multiplayer note: I mostly agree. As an amendment, however, I'd suggest that a lot of multiplayer games should stop trying to shove in a single-player component. TF2, MAG, and probably a few other games I can't remember have shown that you can create a game that exists solely in multiplayer space and is still successful.
Since CoD4, none of the games in the series have presented a single player experience to me that felt worth the price of admission, despite the fact I was borrowing half the games rather than paying for them.
Future CoD (and apparently Battlefield) titles would benefit from not including campaign modes at all - most of the negative press for both titles focuses on short nonsensical stories.
Since CoD4, none of the games in the series have presented a single player experience to me that felt worth the price of admission, despite the fact I was borrowing half the games rather than paying for them.
Future CoD (and apparently Battlefield) titles would benefit from not including campaign modes at all - most of the negative press for both titles focuses on short nonsensical stories.
Jim is surprised that a developer which has already had great success with games without multiplayer or online passes i.e Fallout 3 and Fallout New vegas releases a ridiculously similar game, makes it easy enough for anyone to play, backs it with loads of cash and advertising, benefits from mob mentality selling and does well. I am sorry but the Call of Duty of RPGs hasn't done anything that shouldn't be expected.
Proves the industry wrong? I don't think so.
Proves the industry wrong? I don't think so.
Im rather disapointed. I saw the title of this and thought YES! Finally some good points to be made.
Yet after watching it, All he really said boiled down to common knowledge that morons tend to fall into and get duped into believing and astoundingly enough, defending.
I guess it makes sense, you have to educate beyond idiocy before you can expect enlightenment.
I mean Jim, you do realize that Bethesda actually did more damage, than good, right? You realize that Bethesda has evolved into the RPG equivalent of CoD, right? Its sort of like Taco Bell, You can order a burrito, a taco, a chalupa, a Qeacolipca, or any other mexican sounding food item from their menu and you realize its still just beef, shell and cheese. The only difference is the manner of which it is assembled. So by supporting Skyrim, your really just reinforcing that which is wrong with the industry, because they are just taking the working formula from CoD and reassembling their own version that fits with their design.
Yet after watching it, All he really said boiled down to common knowledge that morons tend to fall into and get duped into believing and astoundingly enough, defending.
I guess it makes sense, you have to educate beyond idiocy before you can expect enlightenment.
I mean Jim, you do realize that Bethesda actually did more damage, than good, right? You realize that Bethesda has evolved into the RPG equivalent of CoD, right? Its sort of like Taco Bell, You can order a burrito, a taco, a chalupa, a Qeacolipca, or any other mexican sounding food item from their menu and you realize its still just beef, shell and cheese. The only difference is the manner of which it is assembled. So by supporting Skyrim, your really just reinforcing that which is wrong with the industry, because they are just taking the working formula from CoD and reassembling their own version that fits with their design.
Right then... can we set a date? This coming Thursday I'll do you. With the plush hat on of course. Nothing else though.
Skyrim's one of the largest in-game maps to date, has great graphics, skilled voice acting, respawning, realistic-moving dragons, dozens of spells, multiple crafting styles, multiple weapon styles, hundreds of sets of armor, near-endless character facial customization, and endless hours of gameplay.Vamast said:
That's why.
All hail the Dovahjim!
Thank you for saying aloud what I'm sure several of us were thinking. Skyrim is the prime example of what games *should* be, which is to say, something engrossing that can spark conversations and trigger gatherings around the player, because he or she did something totally awesome.
Multiplayer should always remain a secondary focus or be entirely absent in these types of games. If you're in need of some multiplayer action, there's always five or six reigning champions in that area. Even moreso, Skyrim proves all the idiots who refuse to touch a game unless it's multiplayer-centric or an MMO wrong. You *can* have a single-player package with enough content to make you wonder if you aren't playing your own personal MMO, at times.
Because that's honestly what Skyrim is. An MMO with none of the hassle associated with MMOs.
Thank you for saying aloud what I'm sure several of us were thinking. Skyrim is the prime example of what games *should* be, which is to say, something engrossing that can spark conversations and trigger gatherings around the player, because he or she did something totally awesome.
Multiplayer should always remain a secondary focus or be entirely absent in these types of games. If you're in need of some multiplayer action, there's always five or six reigning champions in that area. Even moreso, Skyrim proves all the idiots who refuse to touch a game unless it's multiplayer-centric or an MMO wrong. You *can* have a single-player package with enough content to make you wonder if you aren't playing your own personal MMO, at times.
Because that's honestly what Skyrim is. An MMO with none of the hassle associated with MMOs.
This was a good video, but it won't do anything to the industry.
Because rehashing the same damn bang-bagn-boom-shoot game year after year is a lot cheaper than making a totally great game that can stand on its own. Furthermore, you can always expect a good bunch of idiots to pick up the latest military shooter, regardless of quality, whereas making a unique (or just different) game is a risk.
And shareholders don't LIKE risk, they want more money. And what the shareholders want, the company must do.
Because rehashing the same damn bang-bagn-boom-shoot game year after year is a lot cheaper than making a totally great game that can stand on its own. Furthermore, you can always expect a good bunch of idiots to pick up the latest military shooter, regardless of quality, whereas making a unique (or just different) game is a risk.
And shareholders don't LIKE risk, they want more money. And what the shareholders want, the company must do.
Well I was all like: "Yeah Jim, these are things I've been saying too. Thank god one of us has a show to spread the word!"
Then you made me choke on my Dr.Pepper and trashed a perfectly good podium with your willy-nilly use of the Thu'um.
I hope you're pleased with yourself.
Also.
My large PVC mini-Alduin says hello to your large PVC mini-Alduin and wonders if he would like to get together sometime to end the mortal plane?
Then you made me choke on my Dr.Pepper and trashed a perfectly good podium with your willy-nilly use of the Thu'um.
I hope you're pleased with yourself.
Also.
My large PVC mini-Alduin says hello to your large PVC mini-Alduin and wonders if he would like to get together sometime to end the mortal plane?
I really didn't like Jim whenever he started on this site(I've never seen his other stuff before that)
Now, I love it. He is right most of the time, and that ending was wonderful. I was waiting for the thank god for me, and then BAM!
Skyrim is so damn replayable, I haven't even finished the main quest with my character and I'm already planning another character.
Now, I love it. He is right most of the time, and that ending was wonderful. I was waiting for the thank god for me, and then BAM!
Skyrim is so damn replayable, I haven't even finished the main quest with my character and I'm already planning another character.
This is probably one of the best videos Jim has done, and I couldn't agree more with everything. That'll do Jim, that'll do.
Also, I damn near choked on my coffee with the last bit.
Also, I damn near choked on my coffee with the last bit.
What are you talking about?vivster said:
You can quite easily compare Arkham City to Skyrim.
Both current gen, multi-platform, single player, open world games yet one feels the need for an online pass and the other doesn't.
What server costs is Arkham City generating again?
The length of the game has bugger all to do with anything. Besides the fact that there's no actual need for Arkham city to be any longer. It's a more condensed game and more importantly a different style of game. But again not the point. If the game is good enough people will buy it - no need for an online pass and that's the point.
Also the Minesweeper/Assassin's Creed quip is so typical of many people on the internet who's points are so wafer thin they have to resort to ridiculous superlatives which no one actually ever even brought up in the original argument.