This is not a discussion about how reasonable it is or is not to be devout. You're welcome to your opinion, just as others are welcome to theirs.Moth_Monk said:
Jimquisition: Only The Lonely
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What scares me is that Valve is going along with this. They did say that Portal 2 was their last game with truly isolated single player.
WWHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!???????????????
WWHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!???????????????
Whats wrong with playing a game on your own? Or reading a book or watching a movie? Everything seems geared towards the facebook people. How they cant go without 3 seconds without stating what they are doing. Its pathetic. Gaming is escapism. Escape from people and life. F3 or Skyrim isnt lonely, your the king making your own choices and being yourself. I am annoyed by the fact that every game seems to have a multi player, for instance the new tomb raider has one. Why? I see the death of single player gaming. Such a shame as it will be the death of gaming for me.
Thank you for saying this! My husband and I use to be able to pick up any game that said multi-player and start playing. Now we need to have 2 copies and be connected to the internet, even though we're literally sitting next to each other. Sometimes you just don't need 2 PS3s...Mr. Omega said:
OT: I adore single player games, especially RPGs. I feel like all weight is lost when there are lots more people that are also the "Chosen One!"
Knock it off, Adolf.Moth_Monk said:
OT: Yeah there is this irrational obsession with social interaction in our society, which has bleed into gaming. The phrase, "Hell is other people," was coined for a reason. Too often having to deal with other people is maddening. Too many times have I had to put up with people being obnoxious, annoying, or just plain sickening to be around.
Be it people who can't take "no" for an answer, people who think irrational hatred is a form of enlightenment, people who seem unable or unwilling to take note of the obvious, or people that are just plain irritating; this people have proven that being social is overrated.
I believe that forced social activity is more damaging, then voluntary solitude.
The annoying fact is that multiplayer (as far as suits are concerned) just makes more money. So unless wise people like Jim tell them to fucking stop, there's going to be wads of spambots champing at the bits to shove their way into every sandbox game, Mario game, horror game, etc. And I'm sure it wont stop there: figure out a way to charge people for it and we can get social media into movies, into books. Don't you want a running commentary from your friends while you're reading 50 Shades of Gay?
So please, Jim, keep it up. Remind people that there's a time and a place for multiplayer and a time and place for single player, and that they don't have to meet.
I was actually kinda hoping for some good ol' fashioned Christian backlash but haven't seen any yet. Oh well. Better luck next time?
So please, Jim, keep it up. Remind people that there's a time and a place for multiplayer and a time and place for single player, and that they don't have to meet.
I was actually kinda hoping for some good ol' fashioned Christian backlash but haven't seen any yet. Oh well. Better luck next time?
Well yeah...
I damn well hate multiplayer. None of my friends play the same games as me, and when they do we play them at woefully different rates (My failed experience buying Borderlands 2 to play with friends... who rapidly eclipsed me in level because I went on vacation and then didn't feel like playing when I got back blah blah blah).
Videogames are my solo activity, I have a social life, one in real life, a second one on the internet, I don't need one in my videogames as well. Hell if I can coordinate 4 friends we'll likely be doing something else other than playing videogames, especially since most devs have decided that Same Screen Multiplayer is for losers.
Mostly though, I'm pretty sure most games are so multiplayer heavy these days because it's cheaper and you don't need to program other people like you do AI opponents, you also don't need cool set pieces, voice actors, writers... everything that makes games GOOD for me... and people still buy them by the boatloads.
I damn well hate multiplayer. None of my friends play the same games as me, and when they do we play them at woefully different rates (My failed experience buying Borderlands 2 to play with friends... who rapidly eclipsed me in level because I went on vacation and then didn't feel like playing when I got back blah blah blah).
Videogames are my solo activity, I have a social life, one in real life, a second one on the internet, I don't need one in my videogames as well. Hell if I can coordinate 4 friends we'll likely be doing something else other than playing videogames, especially since most devs have decided that Same Screen Multiplayer is for losers.
Mostly though, I'm pretty sure most games are so multiplayer heavy these days because it's cheaper and you don't need to program other people like you do AI opponents, you also don't need cool set pieces, voice actors, writers... everything that makes games GOOD for me... and people still buy them by the boatloads.
To be honest, part of the problem is that there's a market segment with folks going "It doesn't have multiplayer? Not gonna buy it."
No matter how much you tell them that the single-player for Title X is worthwhile, they'll retort "Yeah, but it doesn't have multiplayer. I don't like single-player gamees."
Which is fairly ironic, as I don't believe that there's any way for any gamer to discover the medium with multiplayer titles, to actively play multiplayer titles and NOTHING BUT multiplayer titles.
Actually, scratch that. I remember meeting guys in Champions Online and City of Heroes/Villains who honestly didn't touch anything OTHER than MMOs.
The funny thing is, even with other players running around, most MMO participants tend to clear out the solo aspects of the gameworld on their own. MMO devs are considerate enough to set up quest tiers specifically designed for solo play!
No matter how much you tell them that the single-player for Title X is worthwhile, they'll retort "Yeah, but it doesn't have multiplayer. I don't like single-player gamees."
Which is fairly ironic, as I don't believe that there's any way for any gamer to discover the medium with multiplayer titles, to actively play multiplayer titles and NOTHING BUT multiplayer titles.
Actually, scratch that. I remember meeting guys in Champions Online and City of Heroes/Villains who honestly didn't touch anything OTHER than MMOs.
The funny thing is, even with other players running around, most MMO participants tend to clear out the solo aspects of the gameworld on their own. MMO devs are considerate enough to set up quest tiers specifically designed for solo play!
Wait... so what I do in MY city will affect the people around me now?!
I need to get this game and crank up the pollution and crime!
I need to get this game and crank up the pollution and crime!
I agree 100%. I'm an introvert and love playing games by myself. I'm not anti-social or deprived of friends. I have Facebook if I want to talk to people. I can't stand that media is pushing me to be an extrovert. Not every video game needs to have multiplayer.
For someone who is an observant person making a living in the industry, fully immersed in day to day affairs, trends, outcomes and even has a webshow based around being insightfully observant. How can you look the effect and disregard/ignore/miss the cause?
Its simple, the concept of ostracizing single player is an intended effect. These people WANT you to feel bad for not playing with other people. They want you to think every game MUST have multiplayer components. They want online connectivity to be a standardized gaming element.
These people do not care how "unhealthy" it might be to not socialize. They actually like it when players spend 16+ hours a day playing their products instead of engaging in real life. It does not bother them when a kid dies of DVT due to abysmal habits and failing priorities.
They proactively are pushing this to indoctrinate gamers. They want gamers to accept these impositions as givens to create industry standard.
Why?
Because it gives them the ability to control the products, even after sale which they have no right to. It grants them accessibility and freedom to utilize their product as marketing tools to spur on further and perpetual sales. They view their games as gamers willingly paying to have a full size corporate owned billboard in their front yard. It gives them a foot in your door to push DLC, expansions, sequels, other products while you foot the broadband bill to deliver their "important messages from our sponsors" How can they achieve this level of free marketing, guilt sales, cosmetic add ons, DLCs all the while keeping you connected to THEIR servers to ensure that despite proactively purchasing it, you arent pirating it? If you arent plugged in they have to go back to relying on expensive techniques like paying for advertisements, or developing a game good enough to generate word of mouth buzz. Worst part is, you cant even fault them for trying to do it, because it is just an extension of what they are supposed to do as a company, generate profit while reducing overhead. Capitalism Ahoy! Right?..... Right?
Getting tweaked over the effect is impractical if you did not see or chose to ignore the cause.
Its simple, the concept of ostracizing single player is an intended effect. These people WANT you to feel bad for not playing with other people. They want you to think every game MUST have multiplayer components. They want online connectivity to be a standardized gaming element.
These people do not care how "unhealthy" it might be to not socialize. They actually like it when players spend 16+ hours a day playing their products instead of engaging in real life. It does not bother them when a kid dies of DVT due to abysmal habits and failing priorities.
They proactively are pushing this to indoctrinate gamers. They want gamers to accept these impositions as givens to create industry standard.
Why?
Because it gives them the ability to control the products, even after sale which they have no right to. It grants them accessibility and freedom to utilize their product as marketing tools to spur on further and perpetual sales. They view their games as gamers willingly paying to have a full size corporate owned billboard in their front yard. It gives them a foot in your door to push DLC, expansions, sequels, other products while you foot the broadband bill to deliver their "important messages from our sponsors" How can they achieve this level of free marketing, guilt sales, cosmetic add ons, DLCs all the while keeping you connected to THEIR servers to ensure that despite proactively purchasing it, you arent pirating it? If you arent plugged in they have to go back to relying on expensive techniques like paying for advertisements, or developing a game good enough to generate word of mouth buzz. Worst part is, you cant even fault them for trying to do it, because it is just an extension of what they are supposed to do as a company, generate profit while reducing overhead. Capitalism Ahoy! Right?..... Right?
Getting tweaked over the effect is impractical if you did not see or chose to ignore the cause.
Wow... page three before someone commented on the intro in a negative fashion... that honestly surprises me.
Not that this is likely to change you mind, but if you compare the way Jim speaks in his intro/conclusion with the way he talks in the main portion of his video, it's pretty obvious that he isn't expecting himself to to be taken seriously in that part. The main portion of his video has some good points, as usual, and the rest is merely entertainment. Does he have a generally mocking attitude? Sure, but what's wrong with being lightly mocked from time to time? As usual, XKCD puts it best:gonephishing said:
Thank God for Jim indeed.
OT: I can identify with everything Jim said. There are just some occasions where I want to get lost in a large open area without running into any other player-controlled being. It just feels like quality time to gather your thoughts or just totally immerse yourself in the experience.
OT: I can identify with everything Jim said. There are just some occasions where I want to get lost in a large open area without running into any other player-controlled being. It just feels like quality time to gather your thoughts or just totally immerse yourself in the experience.
If your god is so fucking thin skinned that he is honestly hurt that fucking Jim Sterling, a guy who made videos asking Cliffy B to fill his 'epic hole' and to tell gay Mass Effect fan fiction, is making fun of him, then he truly is lucky that Jim would note him as beneath him.gonephishing said:
Statements like the one from the Sims City guy are what makes me very weary of so many of the big named western developers. They're so quick to use marketing to tell us what we want. Rather than trying to actually identify an untapped or viable market they would rather convince you that you're playing the wrong games. Marketing and game development is to chummy and its ruining the industry.
There is a market out there for light RPGs in the vein of JRPGs, or some good, old fashion hack and slash games but as the presence of Japanese developers slips away from the US market rather than trying to tap into a demographic with little, or no, competitors the US industry leaders would sooner belittle you for playing those games in the first place, rather than waste a cent trying to make a game that actually appeals to your demographic.
It all boils down to these, big budget, AAA games, those soulless, one size, fits all experiences. Companies like EA and Activision would sooner make a single game that everyone buys than have to pander to various interest groups and thanks to the power of marketing that's exactly the sort of industry we're looking forward to, one where publishers won't greenlight anything remotely different or new. When you starve so many demographics and genres for so long it's no wonder that everything but a few sure things shrivel up and die.
There is a market out there for light RPGs in the vein of JRPGs, or some good, old fashion hack and slash games but as the presence of Japanese developers slips away from the US market rather than trying to tap into a demographic with little, or no, competitors the US industry leaders would sooner belittle you for playing those games in the first place, rather than waste a cent trying to make a game that actually appeals to your demographic.
It all boils down to these, big budget, AAA games, those soulless, one size, fits all experiences. Companies like EA and Activision would sooner make a single game that everyone buys than have to pander to various interest groups and thanks to the power of marketing that's exactly the sort of industry we're looking forward to, one where publishers won't greenlight anything remotely different or new. When you starve so many demographics and genres for so long it's no wonder that everything but a few sure things shrivel up and die.
Jim
You are beautiful, gorgeous, amazing, and utterly utterly legendary.
P.S. your video was good too....
Speaking as an introvert, you hit the proverbial nail on the head for me. I view games as pure escapism (not unlike the site name) and quite frankly thanks to wow, i no longer enjoy playing with other players online. Why would i ruin my free time worrying/dealing with drama queens on power trips who think that seniority in a game entitles him/her to be an arsehole, when i can immerse myself in a single player experience that works/plays/developes at my level and speed and gives me nothing but escapism and fun.
You are beautiful, gorgeous, amazing, and utterly utterly legendary.
P.S. your video was good too....
Speaking as an introvert, you hit the proverbial nail on the head for me. I view games as pure escapism (not unlike the site name) and quite frankly thanks to wow, i no longer enjoy playing with other players online. Why would i ruin my free time worrying/dealing with drama queens on power trips who think that seniority in a game entitles him/her to be an arsehole, when i can immerse myself in a single player experience that works/plays/developes at my level and speed and gives me nothing but escapism and fun.
This episode was bang on. This is probably one of my biggest problems with gaming.
I'm an introvert, therefore I don't want to be around people all the time. I don't enjoy going to parties, meeting dozens of new people at a time, or small talking with people I don't know. This translates directly into the way I game. I play multi-player games when I feel like it, and 90% of the time I don't feel like it.
I'm an introvert, therefore I don't want to be around people all the time. I don't enjoy going to parties, meeting dozens of new people at a time, or small talking with people I don't know. This translates directly into the way I game. I play multi-player games when I feel like it, and 90% of the time I don't feel like it.