Kickstarter Video Project Attracts Misogynist Horde

[Thrashgrinder]

"so you're a bolshevik feminist jewess that hates White people and does website design for Tim Wise extremist platform and you expect to be taken seriously when you're "critique-ing" video games," writes charming YouTube user, Haploguy. [http://www.youtube.com/user/haploguy]

"fucking ovendodger," he adds.

Wow. Nice job targeting individual people on the internet. I think you should also give the persons home adress too. That's the kind of journalism this site was lacking.

they deserve it, the fucking scum should be thrown into the street like the trash they are.

Yeah. If you say so.

I do, as should those who support segregation, bans on equal rights (based on race, sexual orientation, religion, etc), the KKK, Al Qaeda

Well, You and I have very different opinions on this matter. There is no reason for argument.

 

[ARCTIC_EAGLE]

"so you're a bolshevik feminist jewess that hates White people and does website design for Tim Wise extremist platform and you expect to be taken seriously when you're "critique-ing" video games," writes charming YouTube user, Haploguy. [http://www.youtube.com/user/haploguy]

"fucking ovendodger," he adds.

Wow. Nice job targeting individual people on the internet. I think you should also give the persons home adress too. That's the kind of journalism this site was lacking.

they deserve it, the fucking scum should be thrown into the street like the trash they are.

Yeah. If you say so.

I do, as should those who support segregation, bans on equal rights (based on race, sexual orientation, religion, etc), the KKK, Al Qaeda

Well, You and I have very different opinions on this matter. There is no reason for argument.

agreed, I just wanted to be sure you understood the kinda of people I group with the commenter's. So how do you evaluate these people? Morons on the internet, jerks, trolls, or people who have an opinion yet haven't articulated it well?

 

[Eternal_Lament]

At this point in time it would seem more reasonable (and more productive) to use Kickstarter to fund games with better female characters rather than to make a documentary about the lack of good female characters in video games. It's sort of like a hospital getting funding to help improve hospital standards, and rather than improving the hospital the money is instead used to make a documentary on how the hospital is in disarray. I guess my thought is that with the countless number of youtube videos, blogs, even forum posts dedicated to the subject, it would seem to me that we have gone past the "Identify the problem" stage and should be heading into the "How do we resolve this" stage.

I disagree, because it seems we haven't identified the problem. The problem is sexism, not mysogyny. The problem isn't how women are treated badly in games, it's how all genders are forced to adhere to respective sets of stereotypes. Focusing on the misogyny while ignoring the misandry isn't helping, it's showing unfair bias.

The point really can apply to any group or issue. My point was that if this person was really upset about the portrayal of women in games, a better solution would be to use the kickstarter to fund a game with a positive portrayal of women rather than making a documentary about how there are few games with positive portrayals. The first one is productive, the second one does nothing to help. As people said, it's not just because many vids or vlogs have been done on the subject or that it may be a very opinionated documentary, but because it just prolongs the issue. To use another analogy, it's like a burning building. Sure announcing the fire brings attention to it, but sooner or later someone has to put it out or call 911. We don't need more people making vids about the issue, we need people to take a proactive stance and actually make products to help rectify the issue.

 

[OtherSideofSky]

I would like to point out that the amount of money she's gotten would suggest that there are in fact a lot of gamers who are more than okay with this, and just don't comment on Youtube.

More to the point, why does she need thousands of dollars for this? She talks about the "scope and scale" of the research and production work involved, but, based on what I can see of her work, there are people out there who produce content of similar quality for no money at all (besides what they get from website ads).

For this price, the finished product had better be pretty damn impressive. It should also feature audio quality significantly better than what I can hear in that video (seriously, what is with all that white noise in the background?).

 

[Kahunaburger]

We don't need more people making vids about the issue, we need people to take a proactive stance and actually make products to help rectify the issue.

We need both. Constructive discussion is good, better portrayals are good. There's no mutual exclusivity, here.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

WOW people on the internet being sexist, racist assholes.
http://lolvirgin.com/wp-content/uploads/U-must-be-new-here.jpg
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basically this..

It's like a very rich jewish man walking by a nazi house while being blinged out, of course they were saying shit before on there front porch, but now they are going to be vehemently raging about it. You could argue that she did it in that way so she would get those responses that would fuel her video/kickstarter even more, everyone knows youtube is the worst place for that kind of shit.

Not to say that there shouldn't be better women characters in video games, especially based on alot of the stereotypes that are cliched today in games, but I don't think she is going about it in the right way nor should she need/recieve 6000+ dollars for it, people have done more for less on youtube just as a hobby/passion.

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

I wonder how many of these mental reprobates have gone on-record as saying they want more maturity in games? (Of course, to this crowd, "maturity" means T&A.) And how many have complained that the stereotype of "gamer" is "mentally-adolescent shut-in"? (Which, of course, they then go and prove here.)

Sharp shootin', pardners, y'got yerselves right in the collective foot.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was a LOT of them. Gamers, for all their demand of gaming being taken seriously, seem to be content to let the medium stagnate in the same white, heterosexual male power fantasy it has been for awhile now. Women are surprisingly underrepresented in gaming and are also subject to being shown in a sexist manner (unintentional or otherwise).

 

[RaNDM G]

Considering the company she works for, she probably could do this for half of her goal and still make a substantial profit in the education sector. The way the media could portray this, the amount of money she's making makes it seem like she's padding her wallet.

Granted, if this does end up becoming part of a classroom curriculum, I could understand her needing to receive some funding or sponsorship. $6k seems enough for the scope of her research, but $43k is just astronomically high. I wouldn't want to censor her or debase her because of her viewpoint alone. I do think she should put a cap on her Kickstarter now that she's already 7 times past her initial goal.

 

[fozzy360]

..It's Youtube, who willingly reads the comments section? Even for one's own video?

That said, it's obvious the comments selected are nothing short of vile.. but how is this news?

This guy gets it.

Sure, it's been a slow news day, but this really isn't newsworthy in the least.

 

[Thoughtful_Salt]

Well

At this point in time it would seem more reasonable (and more productive) to use Kickstarter to fund games with better female characters rather than to make a documentary about the lack of good female characters in video games. It's sort of like a hospital getting funding to help improve hospital standards, and rather than improving the hospital the money is instead used to make a documentary on how the hospital is in disarray. I guess my thought is that with the countless number of youtube videos, blogs, even forum posts dedicated to the subject, it would seem to me that we have gone past the "Identify the problem" stage and should be heading into the "How do we resolve this" stage.

Well, seeing as how the gaming community at large still fails to see this as a problem, there needs to be more exposure of the issue before we can break the gender barriers in videogames. I seem to remember Planet Earth and an Inconvenient Truth bringing vastly needed attention to the natural world we are destroying, or the Thin Blue Line getting a guy saved from death row. sometimes exposure on an issue is needed before breakthroughs are made, because if you seriously expect some indie kickstarter projects to just suddenly make everyone go "hey, women can be treated better in games overall can't they?", then you clearly haven't been seeing all the money and exposure that goes into making a game a hit with influence.

But anyway, those misogynistic commenters don't deserve this amount of attention, but they are still unworthy of enjoying a great game anymore.

 

[The Wooster]

"so you're a bolshevik feminist jewess that hates White people and does website design for Tim Wise extremist platform and you expect to be taken seriously when you're "critique-ing" video games," writes charming YouTube user, Haploguy. [http://www.youtube.com/user/haploguy]

"fucking ovendodger," he adds.

Wow. Nice job targeting individual people on the internet. I think you should also give the persons home adress too. That's the kind of journalism this site was lacking.

I haven't given out any information he wasn't willing to share. What exactly are you suggesting? That I should avoid naming people in news posts? That'll make things kind of vague.

By adding direct links you are basicly suggesting people to go to their profiles and harrass them.

No I'm not.

 

[Vault101]

i'd guess most people just desperately pretend they aren't there.

or...you know

they know that shit usually isnt worth the time it takes to read

 

[Vault101]

I used to like being part of the gaming community but stupid BS like this is occurring so frequently I'm actually embarrassed to be associated with 99% of gamers.
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I agree....

thank god its mostly an online thing

 

[Thrashgrinder]

"so you're a bolshevik feminist jewess that hates White people and does website design for Tim Wise extremist platform and you expect to be taken seriously when you're "critique-ing" video games," writes charming YouTube user, Haploguy. [http://www.youtube.com/user/haploguy]

"fucking ovendodger," he adds.

Wow. Nice job targeting individual people on the internet. I think you should also give the persons home adress too. That's the kind of journalism this site was lacking.

I haven't given out any information he wasn't willing to share. What exactly are you suggesting? That I should avoid naming people in news posts? That'll make things kind of vague.

By adding direct links you are basicly suggesting people to go to their profiles and harrass them.

No I'm not.

My bad. I actually wasn't suggesting you were doing it but thats what it means. People doesn't go around giving adresses of rapists on their newspaper articles for a reason.

 

[TsunamiWombat]

"so you're a bolshevik feminist jewess that hates White people and does website design for Tim Wise extremist platform and you expect to be taken seriously when you're "critique-ing" video games," writes charming YouTube user, Haploguy. [http://www.youtube.com/user/haploguy]

"fucking ovendodger," he adds.

Wow. Nice job targeting individual people on the internet. I think you should also give the persons home adress too. That's the kind of journalism this site was lacking.

I haven't given out any information he wasn't willing to share. What exactly are you suggesting? That I should avoid naming people in news posts? That'll make things kind of vague.

By adding direct links you are basicly suggesting people to go to their profiles and harrass them.

No I'm not.

My bad. I actually wasn't suggesting you were doing it but thats what it means.

I'm sort of the mentality that if you spew hate you don't deserve to be anonymous. That's the sort of shit that let the KKK get away with terrorism for years in the south. Now this guy is probably just an internet troll, so his bullshit is a combination of immaturity and anonymity, rather than actual bigotry (or so I would imagine). Anonymity isn't a right however, it's a privilege and a responsibility. You can't be civil, you lose your anonymity. Have fun.

People doesn't go around giving adresses of rapists on their newspaper articles for a reason.

Hardly the same thing, it's just the guys Youtube ID. Which he himself posted, next to his comment, all on his own.

 

[yeti585]

Am I the only one that went back 61 pages of comments and found that 99% of comments are actually complaining about the comments section being full of sexist comments

 

[Eternal_Lament]

Well

At this point in time it would seem more reasonable (and more productive) to use Kickstarter to fund games with better female characters rather than to make a documentary about the lack of good female characters in video games. It's sort of like a hospital getting funding to help improve hospital standards, and rather than improving the hospital the money is instead used to make a documentary on how the hospital is in disarray. I guess my thought is that with the countless number of youtube videos, blogs, even forum posts dedicated to the subject, it would seem to me that we have gone past the "Identify the problem" stage and should be heading into the "How do we resolve this" stage.

Well, seeing as how the gaming community at large still fails to see this as a problem, there needs to be more exposure of the issue before we can break the gender barriers in videogames. I seem to remember Planet Earth and an Inconvenient Truth bringing vastly needed attention to the natural world we are destroying, or the Thin Blue Line getting a guy saved from death row. sometimes exposure on an issue is needed before breakthroughs are made, because if you seriously expect some indie kickstarter projects to just suddenly make everyone go "hey, women can be treated better in games overall can't they?", then you clearly haven't been seeing all the money and exposure that goes into making a game a hit with influence.

But anyway, those misogynistic commenters don't deserve this amount of attention, but they are still unworthy of enjoying a great game anymore.

I disagree. I think that if you want to actually change opinions, you just make the games. Vids are nice and all, but only theoretical. They can certainly explain the issues or suggest solutions, but a solid product is what will help. An actual game not only proves that it can be done, but there are people out there that actually want to do this rather than to simply talk about it. It gives more credibility, showing both initiative and ability, something that vids don't, especially since (as mentioned before) there is literally an ocean of vids like this. What about this documentary, for example, is going to make it stand out amongst the numerous other vids like it? At least a game is something different than what we're used to (in regards to discussing the issue).

Also, obviously opinions won't change with just one game, and it shouldn't. The best way to make positive portrayals of any group isn't to point it out, but to make it as subtle as it can be, so it is seen simply as a "standard practice" rather than a unique or extreme "practice", something which can only be accomplished by many games (something that can be done, for example, through kickstarter, allowing funding for games that will have more of an impact than a documentary on the issue we've most likely seen before because it is the same documentary we have seen before)

 

[not_you]

*sigh* once again the scum of the gaming community comes out in full force...

I'm not going to take sides here other than the people threatening her are retarded lowlives with nothing better to do than try to grow a larger e-penis...

But, she is right and wrong...

Sure, there is sexualisation of women and stereotypes that most female characters abide by... Becoming nothing more than eye-candy or "a reason to beat the bad guy"

But, most people already know this....
Sure, it's a good idea to make a video about it and try and change the world (not)

Things like this have been said before, time and time again... Will this change anything?
No...

All it will do is make her a target for such previously mentioned dickbags who know nothing more than how to write in FULL CAPS LOCK!?!!!?!1

what she SHOULD be doing is making a video on said assholes and how they live through life without getting shot by the normal members of the gaming community... now THAT would at least give people to aim snipers at...
Still; good on her for at least TRYING...
(as I said, I don't know what side I'm on...)

 

[unacomn]

Eh... this is why we can't have nice things.
The depths to which the internet sink is often saddening.

 

[The Mighty Stove]

Just out of curiosity, what is she going to do with that extra cash? Just keep it? Charity?