Kinect Man Says "Hardly Anyone" Plays PC Shooters Anymore

[znix]

Wishful thinking on his behalf. Lovely delusional and completely misguided wishful thinking

 

[superbatranger]

No...just no. I am going to go to sleep before I snap and punch that man through a window.


*twitch*

 

[Rewold]

Watch out! He's manipulating you!

 

[ph0b0s123]

Do big FPS games released on the xbox outsell the same games released on the PC by a big margin?
Sure.

Each day are their a lot more people playing FPS games on the Xbox360 than or the PC?
Again yeah.

Do more people tune in to X-Factor, American Idol, America's got talent than other more worthy shows?
You bet.

Do TV exec's make statments that people don't watch any other show expect American Idol etc anymore?
Certainly not

I just don't get this attack on PC gaming, yeah sure it is not as mainstream as console gaming now. But if you are trying to big up Kinect, why pick on the PC? Surely you need to be going after the Wii and Playstation move. Aren't Microsoft looking at releasing a PC version of the Kinect tech after they have seen how it goes on the 360. Aren't you pissing off future customers? With Xbox and PC gaming being so interelated with XNA and Directx used on both and also Microsoft having a financial stake in both. It seems like beating on your sister in order to gain advantage over someone across the street.

And why talk about FPS games. Kinect is going to be even worse than a joypad for playing FPS games.

I play games on both PC's and consoles and play some PC games with a joypad and others with a mouse and keyboard. But I have only played an FPS with a joypad a couple of times and never will again. If FPS games stop being released for the PC (God forbid) I will never play an FPS again. Unless they allow mouse input via a future console that is (unlikely).

But I feel that PC FPS games are in good health and I am loving playing BFBC2 on-line in full DX11 beauty at the moment. The new Halo game almost seems a bit baby-ish in comparision (though I love it, before the flaming starts).

So to summerise they will have to take my FPS playing mouse 'from my cold, dead hands....'

Talking of BFBC2. Heres the data from bfbcs.com (way to represent PC gamers):

Global PC Statistics

Players at bfbcs:
1 889 890
Players online:
12 013
Servers:
6 851

Global XBOX360 Statistics

Players at bfbcs:
2 166 700
Players online:
?
Servers:
?

Global PS3 Statistics

Players at bfbcs:
1 767 218
Players online:
9 671
Servers:
2 792

 

[monkey_man]

by reading this statement i concluded that microsoft is derp
oh sure there are some good workers there but who cares about thousands?

 

[teh_gunslinger]

From the Steam page:

66,415 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 - Multiplayer
65,164 Counter-Strike: Source
61,036 Counter-Strike
17,888 Football Manager 2010
13,746 Team Fortress 2
10,053 Left 4 Dead 2

That's not quite in line with his statements.

And it also scares me that 1.6 is still so popular.

How can you say this is out of line with his statements without any context?

416,465 - Halo: Reach

http://www.bungie.net/stats/reach/online.aspx

That's a current number, not a peak number.

The current number for the above Steam games is considerably lower than you've quoted: only 13,376 for CS: Source and 12,818 for MOW2. Your numbers are closer to the peak numbers, but any way you slice it, there are somewhere between six and thirty times more players on XBL's most popular game than on Steam's most popular game.

A glance at the Steam stats above show that at this very moment, there are more people playing the single most popular game on XBL than there are playing all top 100 popular games on Steam: 416,465 vs 102,098.

In fact, there are more people currently playing Halo: Reach on XBL than the total of all peak concurrent player figures for all of Steam's top 100 titles: 416,465 to 408,693.

One can argue that this is launch time for Reach, and the numbers will settle. One can argue that Steam does not represent all PC gaming, because it doesn't. Of course, XBL does not represent all console online gaming either, although it may well represent a majority of online FPS play. One can argue that this is not a good trend. One can argue that Kinect is not relevant to shooters, and that Tsunoda's statement is hyperbole.

One can't argue that 66,000 is more than 416,00. Whether the difference is worth the descriptor "hardly any" is certainly arguable, but this places it within the realm of exaggeration, rather than inaccuracy or fabrication.

I can't argue with the Steam Stats at the moment you looked at them. I just took a poll at the moment of the artickle, give or take a few minutes as I recall.

I will ask you this: how many people are playing TF2 to on the 360 now? How many are playing CS:S on the 360 now? How many are playing CS1.6 on the 360 now? How many are playing

I wasn't trying to argue that 60000 CS1.6 players was all the people in the world. I was however trying to argue that 180000 people playing FPS on the PC at a given time was not the same as nobody.


And at the time of writing:
57,398 Counter-Strike: Source
57,221 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 - Multiplayer
56,661 Counter-Strike
19,873 Football Manager 2010
18,974 Sid Meier's Civilization V
14,146 Team Fortress 2.

This is not peak numbers. This is just at the time of writing. It might not be half a million fools playing Reach but it is 150000 people playing FPS on PC. And that is hardly nobody.


But I can't argue with Reach. It's like McDonalds.


Edit:

I should add that 6000 people are playing Empire Total War at the moment. So it goes to show that PC players are not quite as one eyed as console players.

 

[Wing Dairu]

Let's see...lemme pull up the Servers tab on Steam and see what I can find...

Half-Life 2: Deathmatch: 569 servers
Team Fortress 2: 1,378 servers
Counter-Strike: Source: 4,353 servers (wow)

Whoever says that those numbers indicate that "hardly anyone" plays PC shooters anymore, they need to go back to grade school and learn some basic math. Good luck on your next performance review.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

How desperate this Kinect is being sold. I mean my god, first they insult their own fanbase by saying we will learn to like it and should essentially shut up and now they pan another media. What they are doing is so hilariously ironic, it is a literal version of a lmao. This horrendous attempt to sell their new product just screams they already know it will be a complete failure and thus they are praying people buy into Kinect without realizing it will flop.

 

[Sneaklemming]

"Counter-Strike servers online if you look hard enough"

Yeh since counterstrike servers are hard to find... It's not like there's still thousands running. You can still find servers for ricochet, and even obscure mods for hl1 with like 50 people who play - there are servers.

 

[ph0b0s123]

After writing my initial comments, I went and read the whole linked gameinformer article. Yeah, I know, sorry.... My previous comments still stand though, "from my cold, dead hands..."

Anyway the point he is making and using a warped view of reality to backup, is that Kinect will not work well with games, like FPS in their present form. In the same way that FPS games for the PC did not orginaly work well with consoles. They had to be changed from the ground up to be fun on consoles, i.e dumbed down. I know I will get flamed, but auto aim, etc, is esentially dumbing down a game to work with a controller, that is not suited to that type of game. So you can now expect a furher dumbing down of FPS, so they work well with Kinect. Maybe they will become 'turn based' to get over the latency issues.

I have no major axe to grind against Kinect and will welcome it to sit on my desk with my other controllers, mouse, joypad, etc to be used only were it makes sense. But please stop trying to change the way games are played, just so they work with your latest controller idea. Whats next, we want to sell sterring wheels, lets make changes to the way FPS are played so they work realy well with steering wheels?

I also really hate this idea, he and others put over, that playing an FPS on a console must be better than on a PC because more people do it that way. It's the same as saying people would rather drive a Ford than a Ferrari becuase there are more Fords than Ferraris on the road. I have nothing against Fords or consoles, but you get my drift....

 

[Plurralbles]

Sir, wold you kindly go fck yourself?

That guy is clueless.

 

[SimuLord]

I have in my hands a Louisville Slugger and the bell from a boxing ring. They describe Kuro Tsunoda wonderfully:

"Ding! Bat."

 

[Treefingers]

Oh dear...

What a fucking idiot.

 

[gl1koz3]

Lol? Using PCs is all we do here. Dunno what part of world is he from.

He's a Kinect marketer.
I hear you have to give up your dignity, your brain, and your soul when you take the job.

And now kids will be referencing this guy for the parents to get them an X360. We need an international law against disinformation. Something about cutting the tongue, perhaps.

 

[UberMore]

Yes, no-one plays FPS on the PC anymore, which is why the last FPS I bought on PS3 was CoD World at War, but I've got BC2 for my PC, getting Medal of Honor, probably gonna get CoD Black Ops and I play alot of Half Life, Killing Floor and the occasional bout of TF2.

This guy should have his communications HEAVILY monitored if he's gonna say such retarded things.
And Xbox was doing so well, managing to not be the big retards...but this is another nail in their PR coffin.

Are they just determined to set themselves up for as big a fall as they can?

This aswell. Kinect is going to be...bluntly, shite for FPS shooters. Moving with them, aiming, reloading, changing weapon, inventory, even pausing the damn thing is gonna be killer.

Atleast Move has buttons to facilitate some of these things.

 

[Funkysandwich]

From the Steam page:

66,415 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 - Multiplayer
65,164 Counter-Strike: Source
61,036 Counter-Strike
17,888 Football Manager 2010
13,746 Team Fortress 2
10,053 Left 4 Dead 2

That's not quite in line with his statements.

And it also scares me that 1.6 is still so popular.

Halo Reach. 734,000. Obviously 60,000 people is nothing to shake a stick at, but by comparison all of those games don't add up to one xbox game. So not hardly anyone by any means... but definitely fewer than there should be.

You realize that Halo: Reach just came out. Give us the numbers a year from now, then we will see.

It's not just that. These numbers on Steam are all legitimate sales. You can pirate Xbox 360 games and play them online as if you bought them fair and square. Who knows how many people actually pirated it. Lets have a look at some of the torrent sites shall we?

Not only that, but those figures are just steam players for a few of the FPS games on PC from only one distribution service. Those figures don't include retail sales or sales from other online distribution platforms.

 

[Layzor]

What the heck does a "Kinect Man" know about gaming?

 

[Cid Silverwing]

I literally stopped reading after the headline.

How far up your own ass must you be to make such a statement?