L4D2 Boycott Closing Down

[oppp7]

Well, it's nice to know that there are still reasonable people in the world.
Personally I'm against shortly released sequels not because the sequel is bad, but because that means the original was. I'm already paranoid about DLC coming out for the PC version 5 minutes after I get the Xbox version, now I have to worry about a better version of the game coming out shortly after I get it?

 

[ShadowKirby]

So, anyone up for taking bets on the next boycott rage.

And also: ""As a collective we have done more than achieve a few goals, we have paved the way for developer-community relations in the future. No matter what the press or other gamers say, we have made an indelible mark upon the future of this industry. You should all be proud, we certainly are," added Walking_Target. "The boycott has served its purpose and it is now up to you all as individuals to decide what is right for you.""

Man, that guy got one big head. They did not pave anything. They just proved how easily you can get teenagers with too much time on their hands to gather around something if you make them believe that they are fighting the man or are some fighters for the consumers rights. And if they ***** enough, they can get a trip. They are just little bitching teens that believe the world owes them something and I'm sure half of them get their games bought by their mom.

God I hate the mob mentality.

EDIT: reading the comments on their site....... it's pure gold. Some of them take a game way too seriously.

 

[Jonci]

The boycott was a rediculous notion to begin with. I think some gamers are getting too damn spoiled these days. You spend $60 to get a new game and you demand that you should get more free stuff before the company dares release a new sequel? It wasn't long ago that the idea of getting extra content was amazing and that companies were great for even supporting the game after release.

Now, if a game doesn't have some DLC, people whine as if their $60 was worth more than the game already got. That $60 didn't buy you some two-year stake in extra content after release. It got you the damn game you have and should be grateful to get anything more. And the majority of the boycotters were probably out of the Steam community who had been getting the extra content for FREE. They are protesting that they won't get more FREE content.

They are lucky Valve was even civil to them. If I'd been the company, I would have taken a bat to their head the moment they walked through the door.

 

[Assassin Xaero]

I have to say that I was excited when it was first announced, then when I saw the trailers and clips, it showed barely anything new and the characters looked like crap. Since then, have to say that it looks like they added enough and it looks different enough to get me to preorder, but the characters still look like crap...

 

[Arehexes]

The boycott was a rediculous notion to begin with. I think some gamers are getting too damn spoiled these days. You spend $60 to get a new game and you demand that you should get more free stuff before the company dares release a new sequel? It wasn't long ago that the idea of getting extra content was amazing and that companies were great for even supporting the game after release.

Now, if a game doesn't have some DLC, people whine as if their $60 was worth more than the game already got. That $60 didn't buy you some two-year stake in extra content after release. It got you the damn game you have and should be grateful to get anything more. And the majority of the boycotters were probably out of the Steam community who had been getting the extra content for FREE. They are protesting that they won't get more FREE content.

They are lucky Valve was even civil to them. If I'd been the company, I would have taken a bat to their head the moment they walked through the door.

I pretty much agree with this, stupid twits who think they bought the game so they should get free stuff after it came out. I guess no one knows what goes into game making. Also is it me or does it seem a little odd that they met Valve got to play the game early and say yeah we are cool now? I don't know seems like it's gonna start a trend of people complaining till they get to play a early version of the game (maybe we should do that with halo haha).

 

[Valine]

I'm not buying L4D2 and never was going to, so the "end" of the boycott is rather meaningless - but then I'm a non-buyer not a boycotter.

 

[Doktor Merkwurdigliebe]

Ok, so if I would whine for couple of months and make myself noticeable in the Internets, will I get my own trip to Valve?

 

[KSarty]

The boycott was a rediculous notion to begin with. I think some gamers are getting too damn spoiled these days. You spend $60 to get a new game and you demand that you should get more free stuff before the company dares release a new sequel? It wasn't long ago that the idea of getting extra content was amazing and that companies were great for even supporting the game after release.

Now, if a game doesn't have some DLC, people whine as if their $60 was worth more than the game already got. That $60 didn't buy you some two-year stake in extra content after release. It got you the damn game you have and should be grateful to get anything more. And the majority of the boycotters were probably out of the Steam community who had been getting the extra content for FREE. They are protesting that they won't get more FREE content.

They are lucky Valve was even civil to them. If I'd been the company, I would have taken a bat to their head the moment they walked through the door.

I pretty much agree with this, stupid twits who think they bought the game so they should get free stuff after it came out. I guess no one knows what goes into game making. Also is it me or does it seem a little odd that they met Valve got to play the game early and say yeah we are cool now? I don't know seems like it's gonna start a trend of people complaining till they get to play a early version of the game (maybe we should do that with halo haha).

Especially since their boycott actually had nothing to do with how L4D2 ended up. They were only interested in making sure Valve continued supporting the original. The whole boycott was ridiculous and a waste of time if you ask me, but something tells me that the 40,000 other members of the group are a little annoyed that the 2 founding members got to play the game early and are now dropping their boycott.

I still think this is simply the Canada strike from South Park brought to life. Where the agreement allows them to act as if they won, but that Valve really just doesn't care and didn't actually give them anything they were demanding.

 

[Walking_Target]

You all seem to miss the damn ponit. The boycott has always been about L4D support, NOT L4D2.

Then again, you've always ignored me when I've said that before, so keep on going....

 

[KSarty]

You all seem to miss the damn ponit. The boycott has always been about L4D support, NOT L4D2.

Then again, you've always ignored me when I've said that before, so keep on going....

Which is exactly what I just commented on buddy. If your boycott was about L4D support, then how did playing L4D2 convince you to end your boycott?

 

[Sparrow]

Hmm. Seems as if this another way to just say: "We give up". I never understood why the boycott was still going even though Valve repeatedly said they'd still support L4D1.

 

[Vocalillusion]

I personally was a member of the L4D2 Boycott. The reasoning is not that we want the game for free, or the fact that we hated what was proposed for L4D2, we wanted to make sure that Valve properly supported L4D like they promised, and like they do with all of their other games. As mainly a PC gamer (but I console game too), I must tell you that what makes Valve's games some of the best games out there (especially on the PC) is the communities that are formed around the games. Modders from around the net can get together and create new exciting content for the games that let you enjoy said game to its fullest extent. Valves late release of L4D's SDK Base (a tool essential for modding) when it was promised directly after release, was one sign to us community gamers that Valve might be abandoning the community and moving on too fast. The L4D2 Boycott was a way of the gaming community of saying, "I don't think your finished with L4D quite yet, don't get ahead of yourselves and leave the gaming communities behind".

How could we get their attention? How could we tell them to hit the brakes?
By telling them we wouldn't buy L4D2 if they didn't finish support for the original.

It makes perfect sense.

What I am wondering is, what have they promised about L4D support that has made you guys want to call off the boycott. I know L4D2 is going to be awesome, it looks awesome, but what are they going to do to L4D.

The newest campaign Crash Course, quite frankly was only half of a real campaign. So maybe you can tell me Walking_Target, what do they have planned for the future of L4D. What can you tell us.

 

[Diablini]

And the world is safe once again.

 

[Diablini]

I personally was a member of the L4D2 Boycott. The reasoning is not that we want the game for free, or the fact that we hated what was proposed for L4D2, we wanted to make sure that Valve properly supported L4D like they promised like they do with all of their other games. As mainly a PC gamer (but I console game too), I must tell you that what makes Valve's games some of the best games out there (especially on the PC) is the communities that are formed around the games. Modders from around the net can get together and create new exciting content for the games that let you enjoy said game to its fullest extent. Valves late release of L4D's SDK Base (a tool essential for modding) when it was promised directly after release, was one sign to us community gamers that Valve might be abandoning the community and moving on too fast. The L4D2 Boycott was a way of the gaming community of saying, "I don't think your finished with L4D quite yet, don't get ahead of yourselves and leave the gaming communities behind".

How could we get their attention? How could we tell them to hit the brakes?
By telling them we wouldn't buy L4D2 if they didn't finish support for the original.

It makes perfect sense.

What I am wondering is, what have they promised about L4D support that has made you guys want to call off the boycott. I know L4D2 is going to be awesome, it looks awesome, but what are they going to do to L4D.

The newest campaign Crash Course, quite frankly was only half of a real campaign. So maybe you can tell me Walking_Target, what do they have planned for the future of L4D. What can you tell us.

They never promised. They said that maybe there will be a new campaign.


Watch at the end:

MAYBE a new campaign


And that campaign has arrived already.


PS: I don't want to start a flamewar, but just pointing out that they did not promise anything.

 

[cleverlymadeup]

i'll put this in the not a big surprise pile. i knew it wouldn't last and was just some whiny kids

 

[Vocalillusion]

They did not say "I promise that we will continue support for L4D". But they said they wanted to continue creating things for L4D like they did with Team Fortress 2, which online has had huge continuing support. In TF2 they have added new weapons, levels, and tons of achievements. Why wouldn't a community player like myself not want such a great game like L4D to have the same support as some of Valve's other games. I have come to expect such greatness from L4D, why would I want them to stop.

And its not really just some whiny kids. If being a whiny kid means wanting whats best for the gaming community and gaming industry, then call me a whiny kid.

You here the title Hardcore Gamer thrown around a lot. Lemme tell you what it means, being a hardcore gamer means that you actually care what happens to the games that you play, and the games that are to come out in the future. You care whether the games are well supported and that the franchises are continued not for the sake of profit or just to get more people to play the game, but to create a game to continue the creative genius and game play that made the original great.

And lemme tell you I am a Hardcore Gamer.

Even with games like Halo, if you don't care what the next Halo game's story is like, and what its game play is like. If all you care about is that there's a new one coming out, then your just a casual gamer. Simply you play to play, nothing more nothing less.

 

[Arehexes]

The boycott was a rediculous notion to begin with. I think some gamers are getting too damn spoiled these days. You spend $60 to get a new game and you demand that you should get more free stuff before the company dares release a new sequel? It wasn't long ago that the idea of getting extra content was amazing and that companies were great for even supporting the game after release.

Now, if a game doesn't have some DLC, people whine as if their $60 was worth more than the game already got. That $60 didn't buy you some two-year stake in extra content after release. It got you the damn game you have and should be grateful to get anything more. And the majority of the boycotters were probably out of the Steam community who had been getting the extra content for FREE. They are protesting that they won't get more FREE content.

They are lucky Valve was even civil to them. If I'd been the company, I would have taken a bat to their head the moment they walked through the door.

I pretty much agree with this, stupid twits who think they bought the game so they should get free stuff after it came out. I guess no one knows what goes into game making. Also is it me or does it seem a little odd that they met Valve got to play the game early and say yeah we are cool now? I don't know seems like it's gonna start a trend of people complaining till they get to play a early version of the game (maybe we should do that with halo haha).

Especially since their boycott actually had nothing to do with how L4D2 ended up. They were only interested in making sure Valve continued supporting the original. The whole boycott was ridiculous and a waste of time if you ask me, but something tells me that the 40,000 other members of the group are a little annoyed that the 2 founding members got to play the game early and are now dropping their boycott.

I still think this is simply the Canada strike from South Park brought to life. Where the agreement allows them to act as if they won, but that Valve really just doesn't care and didn't actually give them anything they were demanding.

The boycott was a rediculous notion to begin with. I think some gamers are getting too damn spoiled these days. You spend $60 to get a new game and you demand that you should get more free stuff before the company dares release a new sequel? It wasn't long ago that the idea of getting extra content was amazing and that companies were great for even supporting the game after release.

Now, if a game doesn't have some DLC, people whine as if their $60 was worth more than the game already got. That $60 didn't buy you some two-year stake in extra content after release. It got you the damn game you have and should be grateful to get anything more. And the majority of the boycotters were probably out of the Steam community who had been getting the extra content for FREE. They are protesting that they won't get more FREE content.

They are lucky Valve was even civil to them. If I'd been the company, I would have taken a bat to their head the moment they walked through the door.

I pretty much agree with this, stupid twits who think they bought the game so they should get free stuff after it came out. I guess no one knows what goes into game making. Also is it me or does it seem a little odd that they met Valve got to play the game early and say yeah we are cool now? I don't know seems like it's gonna start a trend of people complaining till they get to play a early version of the game (maybe we should do that with halo haha).

Especially since their boycott actually had nothing to do with how L4D2 ended up. They were only interested in making sure Valve continued supporting the original. The whole boycott was ridiculous and a waste of time if you ask me, but something tells me that the 40,000 other members of the group are a little annoyed that the 2 founding members got to play the game early and are now dropping their boycott.

I still think this is simply the Canada strike from South Park brought to life. Where the agreement allows them to act as if they won, but that Valve really just doesn't care and didn't actually give them anything they were demanding.

Personally I think these founding members bought the game like a month before valve announced the new game and felt hurt so they wanted to complain. Now they get to play L4D2 early and are ok with it even though the complaint was as you said to keep support of L4D1. But really does anyone complain when Halo 3 came out? I mean that split the community for online, or how about Maddine 09 and Maddine '10 wouldn't that split the community for online? Personally I'm on valves side, they make the game cause they want to (true it's for the people who buy it). But doing this for these two guys it's gonna cause people to complain even more (I think valve was smart though to shut them up as they had no basis on there claim).

 

[Vocalillusion]

I think many people did complain when Halo 3 came out. Heck I remember people complaining when Halo 2 came out. Personally I still think Halo (1) is the best. And the community for console games is limited. With things like Xbox Live and PSN (not really sure about), consoles are now getting their first taste of gaming communities. But people that have played PC games for a while, know how long communities can last. I was in a community for BF1942/BF2 that was together for 6 years. These people became true friends, and that is what makes a good gaming community. If you can create a community that can last for years rather than months, then you have created an extremely good product. And why would Valve not want to claim that kind of feat. Tons of effort is put into every game, why would you want people to pick up your game only to throw it away when the next one comes out (I am sure the people that worked on the first wouldn't). That is ridiculous.