L4D2 Boycott Closing Down

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Vocalillusion said:
Whatever anyone may think, whether you were against the boycott or supported the boycott. Something wonderful has happened, a great company (Valve) has recognized the concern of its consumers and supporters publicly, and has shown that they are deserving of the title: Best Game Company Today.

Yay for Valve.
Actually I think what Valve did to appease these people was just down right stupid. Way to go Valve, you gave in to a bunch of whiny idiots.

jonmcnamara said:
P.S. I was just thinking of the patches they did and they have been fucking stupid also.

Remember when they fixed the smoker tongue?

How about the patch that made it harder to melee hunters in mid air?

Shotguns doing less damage toward the tank?
So let me get this straight. You think that the patches and fixes Valve has made for L4D are all terrible. So the announcement of L4D2 made you afraid that Valve would stop their...terrible support?
 

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KSarty said:
So let me get this straight. You think that the patches and fixes Valve has made for L4D are all terrible. So the announcement of L4D2 made you afraid that Valve would stop their...terrible support?
It made me realize that the reasons the patches are worthless is not because they are having technical issues with the source engine, or that there is something big coming that they are working on (in this game anyway, ha ha), or that it was because they werent implemented correctly and would be fixed soon; it is because they are working on something else and they dont have the time or care about this game anymore.

I am angry because I paid 50 dollars for a game that is broken, is going to remain broken, when I could have waited a year to get the finished product.

It is the equavelent of buying a spagetti in a restarant, getting an unfinished meal. Waiting, and hoping it will be fixed only to find out, "Don't worry, the chef was too busy making this other meal to fix your problem. However, if you are willing to give us another 50 dollars maybe this one will be even better!"

How do you guys know L4d2 isnt going to be 1 campaign because they are busy with the 3rd one?
 

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uppitycracker said:
Hey, look at that, the mass of whining children discovered that yes, they were indeed getting more than they thought they were, and yes, it is worthy of a sequel. just like so many people said. who woulda thought? only difference is, they got a little more out of it all, including a trip to meet the team.... absolutely amazing. developers really shouldn't cater to this method of attention seeking BS, they'll create a standard that they'll never really be able to live up to...
Have you been in a coma for the last few years? If you have not then you would know that company's that make new sequels almost yearly have a reputation for making sequels that range from being just ok to poor, that plus the fact that Valve talked about giving allot of support to Left 4 Dead 1 made there decision to make a sequel so early look even worse.

Plus anyone who made new custom content for the first one (Source engine games are famous for all of the custom content) will soon see it ignored once the sequel is released.
And what has valve done differently since the boycott started? I'll tell ya what they've done differently, they've spent money on flying a couple of those boycotters out to see first hand exactly what they had in store all along. Everything they've done, they already had a plan to do. This just gives people the false impression that boycotts actually DO something, when in reality, they just waste valuable space on websites like this.
 
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Vocalillusion said:
Whatever anyone may think, whether you were against the boycott or supported the boycott. Something wonderful has happened, a great company (Valve) has recognized the concern of its consumers and supporters publicly, and has shown that they are deserving of the title: Best Game Company Today.

Yay for Valve.
Sorry for myself being quite a douchebag, but "This is what boycotters actually believe".
Valve is known for their constant support of their titles via the customer relations, and your puny boycott did nothing.
As nothing wonderful has happened. I don't understand why there is so much bragging about "If it weren't for US, YOU wouldn't have the Crash Course"(that's an actual oppinion from that Boycott group).
 

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I feel bad about the crap walking_target and Agent of Chaos are getting from other members, there are so many trolls its rediculous, I mean, look at this example from a comment for the boycott closure announcement:

Kiranos posted on October 14, 2009 @ 11:30am
It's just sad that you sold your ass to Valve. Stop to be hyporcrite for a while, seriously, and don't tell us it's not a democraty so we have to STFU. Nothing change at all !
By closing this group you're just show us two things : Valve win & customers loose, and you're taking us for dumb.

Gee, I certainly don't see how anyone could take him for dumb, after all, he just thinks it should be a democraty, and wants those guys to stop to be hyporcrite for a bit, lol
 

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jonmcnamara said:
You are definitely right about the Autoshotgun, it is ludicriously overpowered. Yet some people still deny it to this day :S

I really hope it gets hit hard in Left 4 Dead 2.
 

KSarty

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danpascooch said:
I feel bad about the crap walking_target and Agent of Chaos are getting from other members, there are so many trolls its rediculous, I mean, look at this example from a comment for the boycott closure announcement:

Kiranos posted on October 14, 2009 @ 11:30am
It's just sad that you sold your ass to Valve. Stop to be hyporcrite for a while, seriously, and don't tell us it's not a democraty so we have to STFU. Nothing change at all !
By closing this group you're just show us two things : Valve win & customers loose, and you're taking us for dumb.

Gee, I certainly don't see how anyone could take him for dumb, after all, he just thinks it should be a democraty, and wants those guys to stop to be hyporcrite for a bit, lol
I think they deserve all the crap they are getting. First of all, as already mentioned by someone else in this thread, they are incredibly egotistical for people who have achieved nothing. Second, what are the other 40,000 members of the boycott supposed to do now? Be happy because 2 teenagers gave Valve a thumbs up?

jonmcnamara said:
KSarty said:
So let me get this straight. You think that the patches and fixes Valve has made for L4D are all terrible. So the announcement of L4D2 made you afraid that Valve would stop their...terrible support?
It made me realize that the reasons the patches are worthless is not because they are having technical issues with the source engine, or that there is something big coming that they are working on (in this game anyway, ha ha), or that it was because they werent implemented correctly and would be fixed soon; it is because they are working on something else and they dont have the time or care about this game anymore.

I am angry because I paid 50 dollars for a game that is broken, is going to remain broken, when I could have waited a year to get the finished product.

It is the equavelent of buying a spagetti in a restarant, getting an unfinished meal. Waiting, and hoping it will be fixed only to find out, "Don't worry, the chef was too busy making this other meal to fix your problem. However, if you are willing to give us another 50 dollars maybe this one will be even better!"

How do you guys know L4d2 isnt going to be 1 campaign because they are busy with the 3rd one?
I'm angry that I paid $50 for a game that I didn't like at all. I didn't like L4D. I played it for maybe a day with some friends of mine, and that was it. Do I think it was because they were working on L4D2? No. Do I think boycotting L4D2 will accomplish anything? No. Do I think this boycott accomplished anything? No. Way to go guys. Upon the announcement of L4D2 all you had was Valve's word that they would continue supporting L4D. Thanks to your efforts you now have the assurances of both Valve, and these 2 teenagers whom you don't know. 2 thumbs way up on that one.
 

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FightThePower said:
jonmcnamara said:
You are definitely right about the Autoshotgun, it is ludicriously overpowered. Yet some people still deny it to this day :S

I really hope it gets hit hard in Left 4 Dead 2.
If I'm not mistaken, I believe they downgraded the AutoShotty in the last update. That's all people used to use on the Tank, now they vary. *shrug* That's what I was told and so far after shooting the tank with it, I believe so.
Not trying to argue, but I thought Valve did make it less powerful.
 

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So basically they decided to boycott the game up untl its release then magically forget they weren't going to buy the game.

The irony here is weapons-grade.
 

jonmcnamara

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KSarty said:
I think they deserve all the crap they are getting. First of all, as already mentioned by someone else in this thread, they are incredibly egotistical for people who have achieved nothing. Second, what are the other 40,000 members of the boycott supposed to do now? Be happy because 2 teenagers gave Valve a thumbs up?
"The boycott is what matters, not the fucking group. I am not angry, its your group, do what you must.

Just because you are convinced doesn't mean I am. The boycott isnt over until everyone is convinced they have changed.

Nothing has changed for me. "

Is my comment for the closing. I dont give a shit about the group. The boycott will continue until I see them change,even if it is just me.

Valve lost a loyal customer when they pulled this shit. If you think that is nothing so be it.
 

FightThePower

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VanityGirl said:
FightThePower said:
jonmcnamara said:
You are definitely right about the Autoshotgun, it is ludicriously overpowered. Yet some people still deny it to this day :S

I really hope it gets hit hard in Left 4 Dead 2.
If I'm not mistaken, I believe they downgraded the AutoShotty in the last update. That's all people used to use on the Tank, now they vary. *shrug* That's what I was told and so far after shooting the tank with it, I believe so.
Not trying to argue, but I thought Valve did make it less powerful.
They definitely reduced the amount of damage it does to Tanks quite a while ago but that's it. It still has way too much ammo, easily spammable etc.
 

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Before I say anything else, I just want to say this.



Now then, time for seriousness. This boycott never stood a chance. It was formed mere days after the E3 announcement of the game. An announcement that amounted mostly to just a teaser of things to come. The kneejerk reaction that followed was unexpected. I mean, who in their right mind would be upset for a company releasing a sequel on-time? Especially if it's Valve, who are known for having long development times.

More hilarious is the fact that within 2 weeks they'd already announced just about everything we'd need to know about their plans to continue supporting L4D, as well as why L4D2 had to be a sequel instead of a DLC pack. The boycott was already dead in the water. Yet it persisted. For nearly five months people harangued, complained, trolled, DoS'ed, and convinced themselves that they were making a difference. Even after word came out that the preorders for L4D2 were greater than that of L4D1, they continued. When Crash Course was announced, somehow they believed they had caused that despite the fact that it was probably in development before L4D2 was even announced. I have to hand it to the boycott movement, it at least had a lot of confidence and drive; unfortunately that was all wasted on a fruitless endeavour that will not be remembered for doing anything but wasting time and acting like self-entitled brats. I'm sure that's unfair to some of the group but if you can't keep the reins on your most damaging of elements then it seems to me that the methodology here was to get your way, no matter how badly the online L4D community may suffer for it.

You know who the real winner in this is? Valve. There was a number of things they could have done about the boycott, my personal favorite idea being to put all the boycotter's Steam IDs into a piece of code that would ban them for a week if they ever played L4D2, but then again I'm a very vindictive person. Anyway my point is that Valve reacted to the boycott by doing two things.

1. They continued their work, as they always had been before even announcing the game. It's not like the boycotters could keep complaining nothing was being done after more content was added to L4D, right? (not quite)
2. They flew out the heads of the movement to Valve and showed them that yes, this is more than just a reskinning of everything. Granted I feel that shouldn't have been done because if someone is too dense to see that Valve wasn't trying to screw us out of our money after countless articles and press releases, then they're probably too dense to be deserving of a free trip. But hey, it worked. The entire movement crumpled slowly, as it should have way back in June.

So let me finish by reiterating some things that have already been said. Boycott, you have accomplished nothing. L4D2 is already on track to sell better than the first, how can you even claim a victory? Oh what's that? You think you're responsible for Crash Course? You think that they didn't have anything for L4D1 being worked on at all and your whining did something? Well that's pretty amazing that you have 40,000+ people in your group yet not one of you knew how video game development works, or have any idea how long it takes to develop a level, much less a campaign. You did nothing except try to salvage victory from a defeat that was ensured the minute you raged about E3. You will not be remembered for anything save for all the nothing that you accomplished. And I tried to be civil. I tried to explain that maybe this was a bad idea. After all, I didn't want people to waste time that could have been better spent oh I dunno, reporting things to Valve about these so-called bugs. Like this one:


jonmcnamara said:
How about the patch that made it harder to melee hunters in mid air?
Huh, that's funny, just a week ago I was playing and I've had no trouble meleeing hunters in mid-air with the same success rate (75% or better) that I've always had. Perhaps you've just been doing it wrong. But then again nobody ever wants to admit that they can't deal with changes made in the name of game balance, or they can't adapt, or whatever it is. It's not anything to be ashamed of, but whining about it is pretty shameful.

Anyway for all my initial benign efforts to explain why the boycott was a misguided venture, I got called a fag. Not surprising since this is the Internet after all, but the point remains that this "fag", as some of your supporters so eloquently put it, knew right from the start how this was going to go down. To paraphrase a character from another Valve game: "despite my best efforts to instruct and better you, you all found a new way to fail". Egotistical? Yes, but then again the only way to talk to a group of egotists is to smack them around with one's own ego.
 

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What a ***** way to fade away, it would have been far more entertaining if the boycott group hand managed to create a giant shit storm then die in a blaze of embarrassment.
 

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FightThePower said:
VanityGirl said:
FightThePower said:
jonmcnamara said:
You are definitely right about the Autoshotgun, it is ludicriously overpowered. Yet some people still deny it to this day :S

I really hope it gets hit hard in Left 4 Dead 2.
If I'm not mistaken, I believe they downgraded the AutoShotty in the last update. That's all people used to use on the Tank, now they vary. *shrug* That's what I was told and so far after shooting the tank with it, I believe so.
Not trying to argue, but I thought Valve did make it less powerful.
They definitely reduced the amount of damage it does to Tanks quite a while ago but that's it. It still has way too much ammo, easily spammable etc.
Ah, I see what you mean. But if you have some shit teammates and you're the only compitant one with a gun, the shotgun doesn't seem so bad. The game I played in yesterday I had very stupid teammates who went off by themselves, rushed ahead of the group, and just did generally stupid things. Times like that call for a shotgun... So I can kill my teammates and highfive a boomer.
 

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VanityGirl said:
FightThePower said:
If I'm not mistaken, I believe they downgraded the AutoShotty in the last update. That's all people used to use on the Tank, now they vary. *shrug* That's what I was told and so far after shooting the tank with it, I believe so.
Not trying to argue, but I thought Valve did make it less powerful.
The weapon stats are as follows (damage only)
M16 DPS: 373 damage/s, 262 sustained
Hunting Rifle DPS: 338 damage/s, 193 sustained
Auto Shotgun DPS: 960 damage/s, 411 sustained

So if you factor in the reduction of 25% towards tanks only, the autoshotgun still out damages every other gun at 720dps, or 308 sustained (347 more dps than the m16, and 46 sustained damage over the m16).

So they nerfed the gun from doing a holy fuckton of damage, to just more than every other gun.

Oh wait, the change is only in effect against tanks... it still does 590dps more than the other guns normally.

Don't worry guys, I am sure all of l4d2 will be balanced.
 

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AceDiamond said:
Kind of harsh, don't you think?
Sadly though, I must agree with you on most points. I had the same feelings as you did.
Please refer to my earlier posts in this thread.

I do believe you should be prepared to be misquoted and misunderstood.
 

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Vocalillusion said:
Whatever anyone may think, whether you were against the boycott or supported the boycott. Something wonderful has happened, a great company (Valve) has recognized the concern of its consumers and supporters publicly, and has shown that they are deserving of the title: Best Game Company Today.

Yay for Valve.
You mean talk to two crying babies out a group of around 40,000 because they don't want it, and now that they played it they are A-OK with it? I'm sorry but boycotting a game is just stupid, I couldn't care less about L4D1 or 2 and if they drop the whole thing a week after L4D2 comes out. You blindly follow two guys like sheep because they felt the game was to suck out L4D1 support (when really the fans also support it not just valve SHOCKER O_O), and you agree. And the kicker is they got to meet valve play L4D2 early then disband the group, if you ask me I think the group they made got hurt the most. I'm surprised there aren't these many groups boycotting Guitar Hero, Rock Band, or the whole EA Sports series for them more or less making the same game each year. Lets boy cot valve who always gave a crap about the players and not EA who is making Lego Rock Band or Activision for making Guitar Hero Polka Rock Edition. I wouldn't mind seeing groups like that as big or get as much news on that like this group did.
 

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jonmcnamara said:
I'm not doubting your stats, but where did you get them from? The hunting rifle is a one shot kill from far or close range. I would have thought it would have a higher damage rate.