How was that out of nowhere, it was suggested a lot of times along the way and I thing it was well written it didn't just come out of nowhereigissx said:Basically i would say K.O.T.O.R but thats dumb when i can just say..... EVERY SINGLE GAME EVER MADE BY BIOWARE! They always have one plot twist that made me want to snap the controller in half...or keyboard...but the games were good so i forgive them.
Wait, he's there? Wow. I didn't know that. This changes a lot. I had my suspicions about that guy (sort of along the lines of yours) but I didn't really have anything to base them on, so I just forgot about it. Should have trusted my gut.spoiler about ME2 said:Illusive man looking over your team in the collectors base. Yeah he is actually looking over you there. I'm not sure if I remember it correctly but right before you go to the final boss you stand on the platform and start moving, and the Illusive Man appears in the background behind the wall (somehow) and he's super huge, it's like it's a gigantic TV screen and he is just filming his face. Not sure if I described it correctly because I played that game quite a long time ago.
But don't be surprised if in ME3 Illusive Man turns out to be:
A) Working with the reapers entire time
B) Some early version of the reaper HIMSELF (the eyes) but smoking kinda puts this off although he's the only smoking person in ME2 (and 1) universe so that puts me to my 3'rd version of the story
C) Illusive man is in fact some sort of... "ancient" person. Maybe hundreds of years old, maybe more and until I play ME3 I don't know how that would be explained.
The C option seems most "possible" to me, since Illusive man acts very weirdly, he doesn't act like any of the person within the universe, he is extremaly intelligent and eloquent and has a knowledge of human psychology that only comes with a lot of experience, while he doesn't look all that old, I would personally give him... early 40? Yeah somewhere around that. And that age seems to be not enough to accomplish all that he has accomplished. As said before he also smokes and he seems to be the only person in the universe to do such a thing (everyone else is doing "high-tec" drugs and alcohol)
As said earlier I might be completely wrong those are just preddictions but hey, if it turns out to be true (especially some form of option C) you know who told you that first (points finger at himself) ehe ;D
"But I must fight the demons!" "No Jon, you ARE the demons!"Sir Kemper said:"And then Jon was the demons."
A Cookie for the refrence.
MadeinHell said:Well most lately MW2 and
Also I find most plot twists lame cause let's be honest in 9 out of 10 times you see them coming from a mile away. For example I don't really get all that excitement over first KoTOR plot twist. I saw it coming pretty much right after you escape malak while he tries to own you by bombarding the entire planet and it gets more and more obvious with every hour of the game until it eventually HAPPENS. For me it was like "yeah I knew that" but for the rest of the world it seemed to be like "OH WHAT A TWIST!"spoiler said:Sheppard betraying his own country for no real reason, I mean... I know that he is supposed to be the general of those guys who got nuked in the first modern warfare, BUT THAT'S NEVER EXPLAINED! The only reason I found out about that was his monologue in the very end of the game nobody ever tells you:
"hey You know Sheppard lost like XXX people in that nuke blast? Yeah it was basically his entire division that must have been a punch to the balls"
NOBODY TELLS YOU THAT! It's just "Sheppard is evil, go kill the sob"
Still to this day I can't really understand what people find so great about this.
It's like being surprised that Kreia is the final baddie in KoTOR2... really? You are surprised? She told you multiple times that she doesn't really bother with good or evil and power is only thing worth grasping. HELL if you are particularly thick you are given an ANIMATED CUTSCENE indicating "Look Kreia raised and trained the 2 main villains of the game isn't that peculiar?". And still some people I talked to were surprised that she turned "evil" at the end of the game.
ARGH! I don't know why plot twists even the most obvious and usually bad ones have became "a necessary" part of every story. Can't it be like:
- "A to B" you are a soldier here is a bad guy and some epic music, bam bam! Bravo you feel victorious.
BUT NOoooooooooooooo (ironic no)
It has to turn out that the bad guy is actually your twin brother and that he has in fact boned your girlfriend who got pregnant and she has his baby. Does it make sense? NO! But it's a plot twist we MUST put it into the game...
WHY?! Just WHY!?
EDIT: Alright I calmed down a bit...
Maybe it's just me but most plot twists are visible to me from a mile away even if they are good. I saw Bioshock plot twist coming and got assured in it like 2 hours before it actually happened. I saw quite a lot of plot twists in ME2 coming (while there were not so many) and I actually AM PREDICTING RIGHT NOW the twists in ME3 (Ask me if you want but most of the stuff I predict is already available on ME-wiki).
Hell I saw all plot twists in SCRAPLAND and they were pulled out of someone ass most of the time (the game is great but the plot... urgh).
Maybe it's the fact that I spot the little details in the background like
spoiler about ME2 said:Illusive man looking over your team in the collectors base. Yeah he is actually looking over you there. I'm not sure if I remember it correctly but right before you go to the final boss you stand on the platform and start moving, and the Illusive Man appears in the background behind the wall (somehow) and he's super huge, it's like it's a gigantic TV screen and he is just filming his face. Not sure if I described it correctly because I played that game quite a long time ago.
But don't be surprised if in ME3 Illusive Man turns out to be:
A) Working with the reapers entire time
B) Some early version of the reaper HIMSELF (the eyes) but smoking kinda puts this off although he's the only smoking person in ME2 (and 1) universe so that puts me to my 3'rd version of the story
C) Illusive man is in fact some sort of... "ancient" person. Maybe hundreds of years old, maybe more and until I play ME3 I don't know how that would be explained.
The C option seems most "possible" to me, since Illusive man acts very weirdly, he doesn't act like any of the person within the universe, he is extremaly intelligent and eloquent and has a knowledge of human psychology that only comes with a lot of experience, while he doesn't look all that old, I would personally give him... early 40? Yeah somewhere around that. And that age seems to be not enough to accomplish all that he has accomplished. As said before he also smokes and he seems to be the only person in the universe to do such a thing (everyone else is doing "high-tec" drugs and alcohol)
As said earlier I might be completely wrong those are just preddictions but hey, if it turns out to be true (especially some form of option C) you know who told you that first (points finger at himself) ehe ;D
While granted it did seem like they pulled that idea out of their asses most of the game story was okay so i kind of let that slide. also I think the only reason why it was so easy to kill was because like it said in game. it was still being built. The reaper you fought was not yet completly built.ben---neb said:I don't know if this counts as a proper twist but the Human Reaper in Mass Effect 2. It was pitiful for the following reasons:
1) What was wrong with the orginial reapers?
2) It was stupidly easy to kill effectively ruining the whole idea that the Reapers were a threat
3) Seriously, a human reaper? What b-rated movie did you get that from?
It was such an anti-climatic ending to a great game it fair ruined it for me. I prefer Mass Effect because the end sequences (running along the outside of the citidal) was suitably epic. Mass Effect 2 was just a giant 'meh'
Be careful, posting these may have, *puts on sunglasses*zHellas said:"But I must fight the demons!" "No Jon, you ARE the demons!"Sir Kemper said:"And then Jon was the demons."
A Cookie for the refrence.
And then Jon was a zombie.
You replied with exactly what I was gonna saysinclose said:Yeah but that's the whole point. It was just meant as a dramatic tool and made no logical sense. He shouldn't have to fake a story for his slave.Hail Fire 998 said:To make you think you were your own man and it was all your choice.dumblogic511 said:Bioshock Spoiler:
At first I really liked the twist for bioshock, I had already figured out that your character is Ryan's son because of the pole dancer scene, and I was pretty sure Atlas was a bad guy, but I thought the twist about him having control over your mind was pretty sick. But then I started to think about it, and it doesn't make much sense. If he has complete control over your mind, why doesn't he just command him to take the adam from the little girl in the early part of the game? Why does he feel the need to fake some shit about saving his family to a guy he has complete control over?
I don't know, you've got me IN THE DARK there...ForgottenPr0digy said:I'm the fucking Universe!!!!!!!!!
*guess the refrence*
Funny story about that one: I played through the whole game thinking that we knew he was bad already and then he was conspiring with 141 and I was like "whaaaaat, he's on my team?" That was more surprising than the actual twist. It's the same thing that they did in doom 3: make a character so obviously evil you don't even realize the plot twist is a plot twist.MadeinHell said:Well most lately MW2
Actually I really liked the Infamous one.Lord Honk said:thisCK76 said:The new Bionic Commando.
Your arm...is your wife...and wait, whaaaaa?
any. other. game. would've come up with a better story than this. i even liked
more than that.Dark Messiah's "NO, I'm your father" and
inFamous' "No, I'm you from the future"
Actually the question you should be wondering is why create a sleeper agent when all you're going to do is send him away and expect him to come back and fight his way to the target he's suppose to kill.dumblogic511 said:Bioshock Spoiler:
At first I really liked the twist for bioshock, I had already figured out that your character is Ryan's son because of the pole dancer scene, and I was pretty sure Atlas was a bad guy, but I thought the twist about him having control over your mind was pretty sick. But then I started to think about it, and it doesn't make much sense. If he has complete control over your mind, why doesn't he just command him to take the adam from the little girl in the early part of the game? Why does he feel the need to fake some shit about saving his family to a guy he has complete control over?
Yeah.... actually I kinda accepted that without thinking too hard... hm. what really is WTF is.... wait wait wait i need asquidbuddy99 said:Kingdom Hearts II
ROxAS is SORA(x)'s Nobody! And xEMNAS is ANSEM(x)'s Nobody. Kinda. Didn't see that coming, durpy durp-durp!