Certainly, my hope is/was more that it would be useful in some other capacity even if it requires outside energy.Flac00 said:
Laws of physics broken as a perpetual motion machine was invented
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If that works as an source for electricity it might not be perpetual, but perhaps...well a nice source for electricity?Ampersand said:
I dont know a bloody dirt about most physics so thats just my ~211 Sao Tome Dobras .
If you can break a law in science, that puts your name in science books. I'm going to wait until I know this guy's name (I never bothered to even read into it to see his name). Once I know that, then I'll start believing what he says. If I never learn it, then he didn't do anything worth note.
I'd actually go so far as to say that "perpetual motion" IS possible, in a completely frictionless environment.. But the idea that because something could potentially not stop moving could somehow create more energy then it uses by moving? That's poppycock I say! Poppycock!! Even if you got a perpetual motion machine, attaching a generator to it will invariably cause it to stop moving.
The patent office just has to see "perpetual motion" and that's an automatic fail, because ALL ESTABLISHED SCIENCE says that it's impossible, so the patent office will not patent perpetual motion machines, because in order to get a patent, your device actually has to do what you say it does (even if it does something stupid, it has to be able to do it), Perpetual motion is impossible, therefore it can't be patented. You could patent a machine that spines a wheel with a boot attached to it that kicks someone in the butt when they stand in the right place much easier then patenting a perpetual motion machine.
I'd actually go so far as to say that "perpetual motion" IS possible, in a completely frictionless environment.. But the idea that because something could potentially not stop moving could somehow create more energy then it uses by moving? That's poppycock I say! Poppycock!! Even if you got a perpetual motion machine, attaching a generator to it will invariably cause it to stop moving.
Fake and kind of neat.
Funny how they don't mention the creator's name and why it's not on the news yet.
Physics will make this thing cry.
Funny how they don't mention the creator's name and why it's not on the news yet.
Physics will make this thing cry.
I guess if it made a more efficient engine it might work, but basing it off of gravity is not a good idea. I say, the intensions may be good, I just hate the people who point at this and say that the gas companies are stopping this sort of research or some bull like that. But you have a good point.WorkerMurphey said:
Impossible. The saying "laws are meant to be broken" DOES NOT apply to physics, as the many "This Superman costume does not enable the wearer to fly" labels attest.
The idea of this machine seems to be the following: Engine is used to turn a wheel with hanging weights attachted, so that the weight is on the top of the wheel. The engine turns off. Gravity pulls the weight down. This pull is used to generate electricity with a dynamo. This electriticy is used to turn the wheel etc. Here is WHY it doesn't work, aside from the fact that it doesnt:
m*g*h = W
W is the energy gained from lifting, or moving something for a certain distance (h) against gravity (g). This formula can be used to calculate the energy needed to pull the weight up. It also discribes the amout of energy, set free by letting it fall down again. So all is solid, right? AS much energy is consumed, as produced, but the thing still moves.
NO! Not all energy from the "fall" is turned into movement. A lot of it is used to move air around, to warm the parts of the machine, to bend parts of it for very small amounts. You loose energy. May be not in a detectable amount, during a small amout of time, but definatelty during an infinte amount of time.
You know these desk playthings with the balls on cords, that keep bumping? They don't move forever. But if you look them for one second, they mihgt look like they did.
m*g*h = W
W is the energy gained from lifting, or moving something for a certain distance (h) against gravity (g). This formula can be used to calculate the energy needed to pull the weight up. It also discribes the amout of energy, set free by letting it fall down again. So all is solid, right? AS much energy is consumed, as produced, but the thing still moves.
NO! Not all energy from the "fall" is turned into movement. A lot of it is used to move air around, to warm the parts of the machine, to bend parts of it for very small amounts. You loose energy. May be not in a detectable amount, during a small amout of time, but definatelty during an infinte amount of time.
You know these desk playthings with the balls on cords, that keep bumping? They don't move forever. But if you look them for one second, they mihgt look like they did.
My child-like imagination makes me wonder if someone can't just arrange magnets in such a way that they repell themselves in a circle, generating electricity by their own force. Probably not strictly perpetual as it would weaken with time, but I would think it'd be rather efficient.
This thread annoys me.
That machine and the people who created it annoy me.
The people who believed this story annoy me slightly less, but still annoy me.
Perpetual motion machines simply can't exist inside this universe. The most likely explanation is simply that those people made a very efficient flywheel and stopped filming before it stopped moving.
That machine and the people who created it annoy me.
The people who believed this story annoy me slightly less, but still annoy me.
Perpetual motion machines simply can't exist inside this universe. The most likely explanation is simply that those people made a very efficient flywheel and stopped filming before it stopped moving.
I'd love to belueve this, but even someone on Dragon's Den had some contraption that apperantly created more enegy than it was run on. The Dragon's said that they would endorse it IF he could prove it worked... It did not.
Likely it CONVERTS. Gravity makes things fall. a ball hanging in midair has Potential energy, a ball falling has kinect energy. This could be a great number of things, but I don't buy it.
To be honest, I don't buy anything with that ostentatious a name... The freewall, maybe, but come on.
Likely it CONVERTS. Gravity makes things fall. a ball hanging in midair has Potential energy, a ball falling has kinect energy. This could be a great number of things, but I don't buy it.
To be honest, I don't buy anything with that ostentatious a name... The freewall, maybe, but come on.
Oi, use your inside voice!Futurenerd said:
I bet gravity is just making up for all the aspiring ninjas it has crushed.