Lawyer: California Law Could Destroy Videogame Industry

Buccura

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While I'm not for the bill, I have to say, these arguments are classic examples of the Slippy Slope Argument, which is a big argumentative no-no.
 

Furious Styles

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My understanding of this is clearly flawed, I though it sought to ban the sale of 18 rated games to kids under 18.

Fancy doing silly thing like that!
 

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Champion Argos said:
The case is said to decide if video games will be considered an artistic medium. This means that if the court decides it has no artistic value then it will no longer be protected by the first amendments right to free speach and expression. This means that laws can be placed on video games, regulating what content can and cannot be placed on those shiny discs we all cherish so much. Pray for us all.
You know that that's EXACTLY what Extra Credits said?
 

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Lawyers love to exaggerate inorder to get people to join their clients side of the argument. As you can see, even if this law did pass, this wont lead to a decrease in the video game industry. Companies that produce cigarettes and alcohol still make boatloads of money. Plus, that law firm doesn't even represent small game producers.
 

Sliverwings

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I love this state, what with our laws that hold down minorities and now regulation of video games
 

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Furious Styles said:
My understanding of this is clearly flawed, I though it sought to ban the sale of 18 rated games to kids under 18.

Fancy doing silly thing like that!
Ah, the problem isn't that the law is trying to regulate games being sold to minors. The law opens a flood gate that allows every state in the USA to have their own view of what is appropriate as a video game.

Let us use China as an example of how the law is placed. China has multiple provinces in their territory. If such a law passes in China each province of china can control how video games are regulated. This means that there can be roughly 23 individual, but different, video game laws in China alone.

Any regulation of video games in China are done as a whole, not as a part. Now imagine game developers trying to make the same game that would satisfy each province. Yeah, 23 different versions of the same game.
 

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sliverwings1123 said:
I love this state, what with our laws that hold down minorities and now regulation of video games
How will this effect more than just California though? I'm not American and haven't really been following this so I need someone to help fill me in because people seem to be taking this very seriously. Like apocalypse of games seriously.

Never mind. I read more into the thread.
 

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KiruTheMant said:
The Austin said:
Gxas said:
Whats up 1984? I thought you happened sixteen years ago.
Twenty seven years ago. Sixteen Years ago was '93. :p

OP: NO!
I support the first amendment, and as such, this law must not pass!
16 years ago was 1984 o_o

Its '10 buddy.
No. 16 years ago was '93. It's 2010.
 

US Trooper

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Why is this even going to the supreme court it's like what extra credits said "Any first year law student can tell you that this is unconstitutional"
 

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cool beans soon you'll have ACTA, A dead video game industry and Republicans back in the white house.
 

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I payed over $5 U.S. on taxes on each of the new fallout game and halo reach, I wonder where that $5 goes? Oh YEAH the people who don't want that tax. I could maybe get CoD:Black Ops off of all the taxes they put on the video games i got this year for free. (I put a $5 pre-order deposit on fallout: nv and that did not even cover tax.)
 

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lacktheknack said:
Folio said:
lacktheknack said:
Folio said:
CALIFORNIA'S law will wreck entire companies in America, Europe, Japan and the rest of the world!

California is not the world... Your governor is from Austria, another part of the planet. (see where I'm going with this?)

So you can't play every game in California. Move. Besides, California isn't really the place to stay inside.
But if California goes down, you've knocked over a domino, thus all the other states that are suspicious re-enact their bills (they'll probably go through). Bang, America is now hostile to games. Too bad most devs are from America.

Domino effect: It sucks.
I wonder... There were game titles never released in some parts of the world. It's not like releasing became a domino effect...

Besides, Sweden doesn't have a law against illegal downloading, even though the rest of the world clearly tries to fight it.

Switzerland stays neutral in any way. The Netherlands allows smoking pot as long as it's home grown, it's illegal to distribute it out of the country. Not every law spreads like wildfire.

If it did, we all would be aware not to go skydiving with a donkey in a bathtub. (there seriously is some kind of law for that. I'm dead serious!|-( Really, what the hell?)
You missed the point. Laws DO spread like wildfire when they're barely held back then suddenly it breaks through, especially in the States. There's much, much, MUCH more tension then you think there is.
Hmm... I guess I just can't relate to it because I'm not from the States. My perspective is making me look like a douche here because I'm not bothered with it.

There might be tension, but the fact that you are focussing on all the problems is what's making it worse. If you are afraid of games being banned, the government will be curious why you are scared, and so look in to all the reasons to be. I even wonder if America can ban games with the current economy and all.
 

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May the power of games help us through all this. And may this issue conclude like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEMICfWLOig
 

klaynexas3

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shit, we're fucked. they took it to the one place in this country where the constitution doesn't matter, court. those cunning bastards.

in all seriousness, this can't be the end. for the most part anyway. besides, because of steam and the playstation network with psp go, as long as they switch everything to doing it this way, by just downloading it off an internet store, then it can't be regulated. for instance, computer gaming and psp gaming will continue no matter what because of the fact that you don't need discs for those anymore. soon, every other console will be like that, and the government can't do shit about what happens with the internet as long as it isn't like child porn or pirating. really, there are alternatives everywhere, you just gotta keep an eye open for them. hopefully the companies aren't stupid enough to not try this out.
 

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Oh, I do love watching train wrecks in progress.
If the law passes, I will be partly angry, partly amused, and partly motivated.
If it is struck down, well. Life goes on.

Mr. Omega said:
Expect twenty responses from anti-gaming groups to call this man an "Un-American disgusting man who seeks to aid in corrupting our innocent children."
From my experiences and study, children are about the least innocent creatures on the planet.
"Innocence from Ignorance" be damned. A crime is still a crime and we have wrote ourselves out of punishing crimes based on merit.
 

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If the people fighting for us can sucessfully prove that games are art, then no other argument trying to censor games will be valid, due to the constitution.
 

Staskala

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I don't even care about the ruling anymore, let's just get this over with so noone has to throw a tantrum about stuff that could hypothetically happen. It's not even funny anymore.

Seriously, at this point there's nothing that can be done, just wait and see.
Yeah yeah, get public attention, voice your opinion, make use of your rights, whatever, but sometimes you just have to observe what's actually happening. If you are so eager to do something, go out on the streets and demonstrate, it won't affect the ruling, but at least accomplish more than panicking on the internet.
 

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This is really just being alarmist. While this ruling might lead to further anti-videogame legislation, The law itself will just help restrict the sale of M-rated games and the like to minors. Which seems to already be mostly in place anyway... I mean, I get carded when I buy M-rated games... Or I did a year or two ago, anyway. And seriously, most politicians have to know that committing to massive anti-videogame legislation would be political suicide. The gamer demographic is quite large, and it just keeps growing.
 

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Folio said:
I even wonder if America can ban games with the current economy and all.
If our government was incapable of making stupid decisions in the face of economic crisis, we wouldn't still be in an economic crisis.