Lawyer: California Law Could Destroy Videogame Industry

lemby117

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If you are under 17 just get your parents to buy the mature rated games, problem solved.
Yeah in britan the ratings can be leagaly enforced if they are bbfc so I just get my mum to buy me halo, cod, fable ect.
OT all this seems like it will do is force people to make less violent games . but to be honest GTA would be better in my oppinion without all the violence... because then I would be aloud to play it. :)
 

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EcoEclipse said:
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Guys. What is this law doing? The same thing that is already a policy in most retail stores. As in, something we've already had going on for a long time.

I can honestly say I don't understand why people are getting so fired up about it. Nothing will change.
Store policy and government regulation are not the same thing.I think your having trouble understanding why people are so fired up because you don't understand what this hearing means.

Not sure if your aware but there is a very informative episode of Extra Credits that will help you understand what's at stake and what this law will mean check it out the title of the episode is Free Speech
I've seen every episode of Extra Credits. I know.

I don't see why it's such a big deal. If stores are doing it already, why does it matter if the government backs it up?
Here you go Negatempest summarized it really well

Negatempest said:
Lancer873 said:
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Thumper17 said:
Uhm, as far as I know. The law they are talking about just means violent videogames wont be able to legally be sold to minors. They do that in Canada already. Nothing has changed.

People need to calm down.
And what was the last good game to come from a Canadian developer? Thought so...
Modern Warefare 2, which had "epic controversy" despite telling people SEVERAL TIMES that there was a scene that could be considered traumatizing. There are plenty of others, but I thought I'd just point that one out in particular.
And crud, sorry about the double post X.X
Let me clarify the Californian law. If the law passes, it will allow any state to regulate what content they want in video games. i.e. Each state is given the chance to have their own law of what is appropriate for a video game. 50 states, 50 different video game laws. Yeah, the California law isn't a big deal...

Unlike the movie ratings, comic ratings and alcohol age limit of which is regulated by the entire country of the USA. The California law allows the HUGE loop hole of allowing every state of the USA to have their own individual video game laws.

EDIT: If you believe each of the 50 states of USA have the same views of what is appropriate as a video game, you'd be wrong. You can have 50 different laws that govern the type of video game children can play.
Thanks Negatempest for putting it in perspective for those who aren't sure whats the haps
 

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For those outside the U.S. that don't understand that our constitution is pretty much the single most important thing in our country and don't think that this law isn't a big deal and won't cripple the industry and won't remove Video Games' rights, it is and will. Restricting the sale of video games to minors is what this law will allow people to do because the law is contesting the First Amendment rights of Freedom of Speech and Expression by making it restricted. The knee-jerk reactionaries will see to it that it goes much farther than this because this will give power to the states to decide legislation on video games making it hard to determine which states will find this appropriate if any at all, and this means that Mature or even Teen rated games will most likely stop being made because the state governments will decide what is "violent" or "obscene". Plus the U.S. is basically the biggest market for Video games and is also home and prime market for some of the biggest and/or best companies and publishers [Bioware, Bilzzard, Epic, Bungie, Rockstar, Take 2, valve, the list goes on...] and they make games primarily intended for the U.S. Market. If we restrict this medium in any way that takes away it's it's rights, people will go even further than just restricting sale of video games to minors, most likely going to such extremes as to end the medium due to lobbyists and special interest groups having a lot of power over legislatures. Interest gropus who want to "protect" their children or come from other industries (Parents Television Council and from the Film industry).

People comparing this to the rating system in your country being legally binding and that it's just fine if we get one too, it's not because of the difference in our societies. The U.S. is full of lazy parents who don't want to accept responsibility for their child because they, like many people don't have the maturity level because they party most of their time before they get married and don't have enough responsibility to watch their kids so they want the government to do it for them. Look at the general public we have here. There is NO reason Jersey Shore should be on TV at all, yet it's a high rated show and most of America loves it. Most people in America are the same kinds of idiots you see on that show, but they're too stupid too admit it and will deny being anything like them. These people are the ones who become irresponsible parents (which is most people) who blame that industries are responsible for their kids seeing violent or "offensive" media on TV or Video Games because they're too lazy or too stupid to put Child Blocks on their TV or Game System, don't realize that the Mature on the box means not for your 10 year old, and just leave their kids to watch TV or Video Games so they don't have to be responsible for them. The only reason this law is happening is because these stupid people are too irresponsible to even take 30 friggin seconds to check in on what their kids do.

I'm sorry this wall of text is so long it's just so frustrating to me how my Country's general population is THIS damn stupid, ignorant, and irresponsible. I'm only 18 and I'm more mature than most people under 40 in the U.S. To me, that's scarier than any terrorists or WMD's.
I think this comment is impressive, well thought out, and I couldn't agree more with it. Sadly, it's true. All of it. I wish I could say you were crazy, or that you didn't know what you are talking about, but I can't. It's hard to admit that a majority of our countries populace are ill-educated and irresponsible, especially when it comes to something like parenting. The U.S. is full of 'babies-having-babies' (as my Father used to say), who want their families taken care of. Spoon-fed by the government so then they always have a chance to blame someone else. They don't want to admit blame to something that could be easily remedied with a bit of good parenting or just moderately okay parenting, and that is,..amazingly sad. They'll go along with anything as long as it means they are not at fault.

My parents always had an eye on me. They always knew what I was doing where mass media was concerned. Whether it was on the internet, television, or the books I read (books were always the preferred entertainment source for my parents). I did not start playing real video games and making my own real media decisions until I was well into my teens, and moved out of my Father's house at an early age with a job and my own way.

At first, I was upset at my parents for their sheltering and never minding their own business, since I was treated with a sort of unnecessary pity for my naivety when I was out and making life decisions among people who called themselves, 'responsible adults'. Now, of course, I realize my parents were just doing what was right by me and their job as parents. I sincerely appreciate their efforts, and wouldn't have had it any other way.


If I could actually have children (or even liked children enough to have them), I would be confident now in my abilities as a parent because my parents cared enough to show some responsibility and to understand that they were to blame for the decisions they made with their own children, whether right or wrong. I wish I could say the same for a majority of others who keep pumping out units.

That these laws and 'knee-jerk reactions', are a band-aid over a cut that will only continue to fester and infect until it's properly cleaned and cared for by someone who is knowledgeable enough to properly take the time and look at both sides of the spectrum before making a decision. That will not be happening anytime soon, I fear.



I think more then just the (sexy) eyes of Escapist forums should see your post. =)
 

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Unfortunately, I already know how the case will go. The Supreme Court is not impartial. The Constitution doesn't matter one bit in cases like this, I'd be surprised if they even pay lip service to it. Like any other legislative body in the USA, the Supreme Court is staffed with old people who don't know and don't WANT to know anything about video games, and will freely abandon any semblance of respect for free speech when confronted with a big scary new medium they don't understand and/or when they want to make a political point. I know this because I've seen it happen, a gazillion times. The political status of video games is exempt from all semblance of logic or reason when the government gets involved. They won't uphold the constitution, they'll trump up excuses why the constitution doesn't apply in this case, like every other governmental organization does.

So, the law will be upheld, the American game industry will collapse and be relegated to B-list stuff, if that. Yeah, developers can just move all their wares to Steam (which will be near-impossible to ban in any even remotely enforceable way), but without Wal-Mart sales, no big-budget game will sell enough in the USA to make up production costs, and the Canadian/PAL market isn't nearly large enough to sustain an A-list games market on its own. So, developers will be forced to make small- and medium-budget products for online distribution.

This will leave Japan as pretty much the only major market for A-list video games. So once again, a status quo of "Video Games Come From Japan" will be instituted. Wave good-bye to first-person shooters, since Japanese gamers don't care for those, and you won't be able to make any big-budget game that won't sell big in Japan.

As if Nintendo needed an even BIGGER dominance in the market.

On the other hand, vastly reduced budgets and platform distribution might end the obsession with graphics that the medium has fallen victim to. So every cloud has a silver lining.
 

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gee the vid game industry is too big to stop , just like the porn industry it pumps alot of money into the government they won't ban certain games ,they just want some control...the little bastards always have away to bypass the rules anyway and when in doubt wait till mommy and daddy go out and raid their game stash

too bad the government couldn't make a law banning crappy games ...
 

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CALIFORNIA'S law will wreck entire companies in America, Europe, Japan and the rest of the world!

California is not the world... Your governor is from Austria, another part of the planet. (see where I'm going with this?)

So you can't play every game in California. Move. Besides, California isn't really the place to stay inside.
 

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Folio said:
CALIFORNIA'S law will wreck entire companies in America, Europe, Japan and the rest of the world!

California is not the world... Your governor is from Austria, another part of the planet. (see where I'm going with this?)

So you can't play every game in California. Move. Besides, California isn't really the place to stay inside.
But if California goes down, you've knocked over a domino, thus all the other states that are suspicious re-enact their bills (they'll probably go through). Bang, America is now hostile to games. Too bad most devs are from America.

Domino effect: It sucks.
 

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Wael Kash said:
Thumper17 said:
Uhm, as far as I know. The law they are talking about just means violent videogames wont be able to legally be sold to minors. They do that in Canada already. Nothing has changed.

People need to calm down.
I don't think you get the fact that if you start to restrict rights and free choices, slowly but surely, they will be restricted all together. Laws aren't as simple as everyone makes it out to be. Politicians only explain it to you like its simple so you can be on board with their side. California is trying to push for laws so that each state can govern itself as to which video games are allowed to be sold in their state and what alterations must be made to be acceptable in the state of (?????).

There's a simple solution to this shenanagans.... why not have every gamestop, wal*mart, target, etc. have a "we ID if you look younger than 40" policy? they do that for cigarettes and alcohol, so why can't this policy be applied for R-rated movies, PA CDs, and M Rated Games? Instead, the "Governator" wants to take an irrational course of action and do soemthing that would totally put his shitty name down in history.

off-topic: Just like how floridia is referred to as the wang of america, Califoria is the ass of america (Also referred to as "The butthurt state"), pass it on :D
And watch: if the Court decides to piss on the founding principles of the nation regarding video games, all of the other states will not only jump on board due to pressure by inane parents, but games will become taboo contraband with all sorts of absurd restrictions BY state. I would be interested to see which states *cough* would desire to make the public display of video game advertising or even public possession a punishable offense, while classifying video game controls with rumble as "vibrating sex toys." Hyperbole aside, I would almost guarantee there are actually supporters of such asinine declarations.

Wael Kash, you are positively correct as this is an "issue" being addressed so poorly; it's a legal blitzkrieg by Skynet wrath when all that is needed is a humble age enforcement policy. Restricting sales to minors is entirely different from the proposed "pornography" status of video games. You have to show a valid ID to buy a lottery ticket, something about everyone of age can do freely without social reprimand. This is especially pertinent when comparing the "caution tape" being threatened against video games, as they could be treated in a different manner like the aforementioned pornography or drugs and alcohol.

Should the California Law pass, I somewhat hope that it comes to bite that wrinkly has-been in the [California][footnote]Certainly the "Ass of America!"[/footnote] by eventually leading to a crusade specifically against violent movies. How would the Terminator like to see his films suddenly be treated like youth-corrupting contraband?

The sad truth is that the him and his ilk are blissfully unaware of the future potential breaches of American rights that they have unearthed. The United States may be populated by the moderates, but it certainly is not operated by them. Sanctimonious zealots have shown their consistent tendency to open any minor legal crack and create a divide of inflammatory, politicized controversy to have their way by tearing apart the constitution bit by any feasible bit.
 

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lacktheknack said:
Folio said:
CALIFORNIA'S law will wreck entire companies in America, Europe, Japan and the rest of the world!

California is not the world... Your governor is from Austria, another part of the planet. (see where I'm going with this?)

So you can't play every game in California. Move. Besides, California isn't really the place to stay inside.
But if California goes down, you've knocked over a domino, thus all the other states that are suspicious re-enact their bills (they'll probably go through). Bang, America is now hostile to games. Too bad most devs are from America.

Domino effect: It sucks.
I wonder... There were game titles never released in some parts of the world. It's not like releasing became a domino effect...

Besides, Sweden doesn't have a law against illegal downloading, even though the rest of the world clearly tries to fight it.

Switzerland stays neutral in any way. The Netherlands allows smoking pot as long as it's home grown, it's illegal to distribute it out of the country. Not every law spreads like wildfire.

If it did, we all would be aware not to go skydiving with a donkey in a bathtub. (there seriously is some kind of law for that. I'm dead serious!|-( Really, what the hell?)
 

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Well fuck ...

If this goes through it'll make E.T. and Pac Man killing the gaming industry of the Atari days look like nothing. All I can do is watch and wait, hope that this artistic medium survives so that one day my kids can grasp the full experience.
 

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Folio said:
lacktheknack said:
Folio said:
CALIFORNIA'S law will wreck entire companies in America, Europe, Japan and the rest of the world!

California is not the world... Your governor is from Austria, another part of the planet. (see where I'm going with this?)

So you can't play every game in California. Move. Besides, California isn't really the place to stay inside.
But if California goes down, you've knocked over a domino, thus all the other states that are suspicious re-enact their bills (they'll probably go through). Bang, America is now hostile to games. Too bad most devs are from America.

Domino effect: It sucks.
I wonder... There were game titles never released in some parts of the world. It's not like releasing became a domino effect...

Besides, Sweden doesn't have a law against illegal downloading, even though the rest of the world clearly tries to fight it.

Switzerland stays neutral in any way. The Netherlands allows smoking pot as long as it's home grown, it's illegal to distribute it out of the country. Not every law spreads like wildfire.

If it did, we all would be aware not to go skydiving with a donkey in a bathtub. (there seriously is some kind of law for that. I'm dead serious!|-( Really, what the hell?)
You missed the point. Laws DO spread like wildfire when they're barely held back then suddenly it breaks through, especially in the States. There's much, much, MUCH more tension then you think there is.