League of Legends Tournament: LGBT Players Have "Unfair Advantage" - Update

[CardinalPiggles]

We need more information than "LGBT players might have an unfair advantage".

Did anyone try to get a better answer out of the organisers? Or are news outlets contempt with some bullshit explanation to post for traffic?

 

[ender1200]

Going to the source It seems that they only meant to put a cap on trans* player and not lesbians or bisexual and the announcement seems to imply the latter due to language barrier. (Gay, in opposition to lesbian, when used to describe a woman in the Philippines refer to certain trans identity).
This is still a shitty decision of course.

Which leads me to some good news: Iron Solari League revised this decision and now anyone who identify herself as a woman is allowed to register.

http://esports.garena.ph/newsArticle.php?contentid=00000604

 

[Erttheking]

Not that banning trans-people alone is particularly fair, but at least you can follow the reasoning involved (however flawed the logic behind it may be.)
But banning lesbians and bisexuals? That makes very little sense on any level...

They are not banning "lesbians" or "trans-people", but the bakla [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakla].

The clear distinction between heterosexuals, lesbians, bisexuals, and transsexuals, is a modern western concept that the Philippines don't happen to entirely share.

So the real story here is, "people don't understand different culture, blames them for discrimination"

Especially ironic seeing SJW already gearing up and mentioning racism.

I seem to recall you falling into the same pitfall as everyone else. You really should think about things like that before you get overeager to toss around terms like "SJW".

 

[Deathfish15]

... so trangendered men are good to go? Also I'm confused by transgendered women. Is it natural females transitioning to males or males transitioning to females? If your going to be a bigot at least tell us exactly what it is you are aiming at exactly. Oh what does it matter you're wrong anyway.

Also the idea there needs to be a girls only tournament at all seems bizarre. Are women at a natural advantage/disadvantage in league or are the men such savages that they can't control themselves around female competitors.

Hit the nail right on the freakin' head. Men are assholes to other men in the game, but when they find out a woman is in their match it becomes far worse and degrading. The vulgarity turns up 20 fold and it becomes a nightmarish scene similar to that of a lone woman walking down middle row in between prison blocks. Yes, LoLers can be compared to prisons in vulgarity and social disgust.


O.T. I think their wording is wrong on this and they went to broad with the regulation. I completely understand that they don't want teams filled with males identifying as females or post-op sex changed males either. They want a tournament for women to be strictly for women and not male dominated through circumstances (i.e. extreme circumcision)

 

[go-10]

advantages and all that other stuff aside I can't help but wonder. How do they know if a person belongs to the LBGT community? It's not like they give out ID cards to members of the community and how hard can it be for a person to lie about being part of it?

this tournament should be only be for female players only, sexual orientation shouldn't play any part in this

 

[SonOfVoorhees]

We all know LGBT gamers have more skills that straight gamers. ;-) Seriously though you do wonder how these kind of rules even exist as they are stupid. You would think they would bring every one together under the banner of gaming instead of splitting people due to their sexuality and gender.

 

[Risingblade]

I find it pretty ironic that in an event discriminating man from entering they are being blamed of discrimination for restricting LGBT from entering

That was the first thing I noticed while reading article
[sub][sub][sub]Don't get me wrong, discriminating against people based on their sexuality is awful too[/sub][/sub][/sub]
BUT WHY THE FUCK THERE IS FEMALE TOURNAMENT FOR VIDEO GAMES TO BEGIN WITH???
Unless I missed something and women have reaction time of snail, it makes no fucking sense.
Existence of female tournaments for non-physical activities has strong "ladies you suck, that is why you're playing in this cushioned sandbox" vibe.
You are either good at something or not.
I have a novel idea. Lets have video game tournaments for blacks- we all know they are dumb as bricks, so it is unfair for them to compete with superior races. Right? RIGHT???
Equality? What's that? Let's segregate everything and everyone.

Captcha: Very doubtful
I start to suspect that captcha can see future.

The reason is because there are barely any female players in the tournament leagues. Pretty much 0 in the world championships, so pretty much the idea was probably to get more women involved in pro play.

 

[Vivi22]

I understand the Trans and not wanting a biological male competing in the female division of a sport, but why lesbian?

What the fuck does being transgender have to do with not being able to play a video game against players of their identified gender?

Before anyone says anything stupid I'll state flat out that it has nothing to do with it. And if this were a competitive game in a western nation we probably wouldn't even have separate male/female divisions.

Anyway, the organizers of this tournament need to be taken out back and shot.

 

[Jadak]

You know, I can sort of see where the topic might arise when you're trying to hold a specific gender tournament. You've got to decide where the 'Ts' fit in, but what do 'LGBs' have to do with anything?

 

[Solkard]

'Tis better to have [penis] and lost, than never to have [penis] at all?

 

[Ishigami]

Oh wow... misrepresenting the issue made sure SJW came to the rescue and change something that was completely fine...
Next time they should just exclude anyone with a dick, way easier and can be checked.

 

[josemlopes]

The problem starts at the fact that there is a "Iron Solari all-feminine tournament", why not just a tournament?

You know how to play? That is the only question that needs to be made.

 

[Scorpid]

... so trangendered men are good to go? Also I'm confused by transgendered women. Is it natural females transitioning to males or males transitioning to females? If your going to be a bigot at least tell us exactly what it is you are aiming at exactly. Oh what does it matter you're wrong anyway.

Also the idea there needs to be a girls only tournament at all seems bizarre. Are women at a natural advantage/disadvantage in league or are the men such savages that they can't control themselves around female competitors.

Hit the nail right on the freakin' head. Men are assholes to other men in the game, but when they find out a woman is in their match it becomes far worse and degrading. The vulgarity turns up 20 fold and it becomes a nightmarish scene similar to that of a lone woman walking down middle row in between prison blocks. Yes, LoLers can be compared to prisons in vulgarity and social disgust.


O.T. I think their wording is wrong on this and they went to broad with the regulation. I completely understand that they don't want teams filled with males identifying as females or post-op sex changed males either. They want a tournament for women to be strictly for women and not male dominated through circumstances (i.e. extreme circumcision)

As a man and as a "LoLer" that sort of blanket statement doesn't help. If you want to go after a group of men that think its okay to sexually harass females attack the actual offenders themselves instead of ALL of the League community (which includes a massive number of women). For example; that evil man child Aris Bakhtanian is a sexist prick and anyone that thinks his views are okay is as bad as he is.

 

[jurnag12]

Same reason why Usain Bolt can't say he identifies as a woman and then set sprinting records that no woman is capable of beating.

While I'm not denying that there may be differences in base psychological and mental performances between males and females, I highly doubt that they'd be on the same level as that of the physical differences between them. There is no valid reason why trans people should not be able to compete in mental challenges (Which games basically are) against members of the sex they identify as.

Next time they should just exclude anyone with a dick, way easier and can be checked.

Which would exclude transwomen who choose not to or have not yet undergone genital reconstruction, and provide an entry for transmen and any bloke with severe damage to their genitals. Which defeats the point of a women-only tournament.

Not to mention that essentially asking people to show you their junk so you can check their gender is a breach of privacy and an all-around awful thing to do.

The problem starts at the fact that there is a "Iron Solari all-feminine tournament", why not just a tournament?

Because, as has been previously mentioned, the LoL pro-scene has a tiny amount of female players. All-feminine tournaments are an attempt to give more exposure to female LoL gamers to hopefully lead to an increase in the amount of female pro-gamers.

 

[McElroy]

The problem starts at the fact that there is a "Iron Solari all-feminine tournament", why not just a tournament?

You know how to play? That is the only question that needs to be made.

And thus the pro-scene remained 100% male. The End. For some people diversity is something to be valued, and so they want to give it a bit of a push. In an ideal world this isn't needed (or to go the other way: no one would give a damn), but these guys want to. After all, if women truly can play on the same level as everyone else, and these Iron Solari tournaments along whatever else slowly help in getting good female players into high elo then any need for these sort of tournaments will be gone.

On February 22nd I'll be watching the stream (there's gotta be one) even if it's just to unfavorably compare them to better teams. And to check if anyone's hot.

edit: agh, ninja'd

 

[jurnag12]

Look at ratios of male to female chess grandmasters. There are clearly differences.

The ones that could have just as easily come about due to the vastly greater amount of men who play chess compared to women?

http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/276/1659/1161.abstract

Captcha: blinded by science. Well, not appropriate for basic statistics, but I'll take it.

EDIT: To save you the trouble of going through the article for the part that I'm talking about, the sample used for the study is the list of ranked members from the German chess federation. It's used due to both it's size and because of how nearly all of it's activities are taken into account for the purposes of rating chess players, putting nearly every competetive and hobby player in the country on that ratings list.

In Germany alone, out of a total of 120,399 players, 7013 are female and 113,386 are male. That's a ratio of 16 men to every women on the list. It's a rather bad example for indicating intellectual prowess when only 5,8% of your chosen audience is female.

 

[josemlopes]

The problem starts at the fact that there is a "Iron Solari all-feminine tournament", why not just a tournament?

Because, as has been previously mentioned, the LoL pro-scene has a tiny amount of female players. All-feminine tournaments are an attempt to give more exposure to female LoL gamers to hopefully lead to an increase in the amount of female pro-gamers.

Well, then I'm the fuck out of here since obviously what comes next is a shitload of different opinions about the subject.

I mean, is it discriminating transgenders if the purpose is to give focus and attention to female gamers? Where does a person put the line in where one is a man or a woman? That is some hard to figure out shit, I guess something like this would be bound to happen.

I dont know, I still think that this kind of stuff doesnt need an all-feminine tournament, those that play probably already play on their own teams and the ones that dont play but could be interested in playing probably watch these tournaments anyway and probably already follow them on their own teams.

I dont think that making an all-feminine tournament, something that by default is about not letting a certain group play, will help in anything when they want to be inclusive, especially when there are people that are hard to figure out if they do or not belong in that group.

And the "unfair advantage" argument from the people there gave me a chuckle, people in tournaments are so insecure.

Either way, see! Now I ended up putting my shitty opinion on this thread too.