Leave me alone PC gamers!

[Mycroft Holmes]

This is gaming. Not civilisation. I am aware of the benefits of PC gaming however for me console is the logical choice.

You realize that reply to post function will auto correct spelling for you, right?

Gaming and civilization both function by the same laws. The 'stakes are lower' isn't a reason to choose the worse system.

1. i want to game with my friends. None of whom play PC or are interested in playing PC.

Sounds like a personal problem. I would just play consoles at their houses or not be friends with them in that manner. But you can just plug in multiple controllers on a PC and play the exact same games in the exact same manner. I've played 4 person games off of the same PC before.

2. There is no room in my room for a PC.

What are you Harry Potter? You don't have room for a one to two cubic foot box? Where is your computer then? Or is it your parents computer?

3. My internet goes off at 11 due to my parents trying to save electricity so I wouldn't be able to play any games on steam due to the recquired online connection.

I painted my media room and had to move my PC to a different room that had no access to internet last week. I was able to use my computer and play games on steam for 3 days without any internet access. You're completely wrong.

And I didn't even put it into offline mode first. I just moved it and booted it up. It saw there was no internet connection and went: 'hey do you want to play your games anyways?'

4. My console makes me happy, I feel no differant when I play Dawn of War on my PC.

Cool, but you're paying more for that same feeling. And don't have access to mod functions, fan patches to fix bugs, abandonware, emulators for older games, ect.

 

[gussy1z]

So you got annoyed with people saying mean things about consoles, so you start an attack on ALL PC players. Not the system. The players. And you still think your the victim?

 

[Originality]

Let me just get this out there: I am an elitist gamer.

I own every console except 3DS. I also have two and a half gaming PCs in my house, each with two 22-24" monitors. I switch between connecting my 360 or PS3 to either my 40" TV or my 24" secondary monitor, and just always have the Wii hooked up to the monitor. I've also got a laptop hooked up to it and my iPad 2 is never out of reach. Also I have a pair of DSs, PSPs and a PSV in my top draw. All the older consoles are neatly displayed on one of my bookshelves, along with 3 more laptops for LAN parties.

And I play games across all of the above platforms. There are even times when I plug the 360 controller into the PC for racing games or plug the keyboard into the 360 for MMOs. I've even got Plants vs Zombies on every platform! If this doesn't qualify me to make judgements on which is superior between PCs and consoles, nothing will.

PCs have newer, stronger, and generally better designed technology. This lets them render games to levels consoles only dream of (think Skyrim, and what PS3 did to it). If you're playing games for their visual quality, or need the functionality only dual monitors can create for your games, then PC instantly wins. However consoles don't get bogged down with all the extra baggage that plagues PCs (like freakin' Microsoft Windows, anti Virus suites, or endless driver updates). There are also some games that are simply more fun with consoles (Mass Effect). Sure, keyboard and mouse are easily superior to gamepads when it comes to headshotting people from half way across the map in FPS games, but it just feels better if you do it with a controller. Consoles are built for 2 things - gaming experience, and convenience with media (I don't even need this with everything I have, but my parents do enjoy borrowing my PS3 to watch their favourite movies on BluRay). If you can't enjoy the game because if the limitations if the platform you're on, switch platform.

That said, with W8 Metro spanning smartphones, Xbox and PC in the near future... The border between PC and console is getting even more blurred.
Also, don't get me started on camera controls. Neither Kinect nor Move are there. They're a step forward, but a clumsy step aimed at kids who are easier to impress. As for WiiUs tablet controller... As long as the games designed can make use if it, I look forward to it. Not going to buy one straight away (my job is not so generous), but when there are more interesting games to play, I'll definitely pick one up. Maybe by summer next year or so.

TL;DR, PC vs Consoles depends on the games and the gamer... And only people who have tried both are allowed to make judgement calls.

 

[AnotherAvatar]

:words:

As someone else mentioned you can use any game controller you want on a PC. You can also plug your PC into the TV if that's the reason why your 'neck is hurting.' Unless your TV is like a CRT from the 90s there should be a connector for the monitor so that you can switch the input. And if it is a really old TV you can probably buy an adapter for like a buck fifty at most.

That's the setup that I have and it's really nice for watching streaming netflix and other videos.

That's the worst idea I've ever heard. How the hell am I gonna control it from my bed?

... They make these things now, they're pretty sweet, they call them wireless keyboards/mice...

See also: Keyboard lap tray.

 

[Thyunda]

:words:

As someone else mentioned you can use any game controller you want on a PC. You can also plug your PC into the TV if that's the reason why your 'neck is hurting.' Unless your TV is like a CRT from the 90s there should be a connector for the monitor so that you can switch the input. And if it is a really old TV you can probably buy an adapter for like a buck fifty at most.

That's the setup that I have and it's really nice for watching streaming netflix and other videos.

That's the worst idea I've ever heard. How the hell am I gonna control it from my bed?

... They make these things now, they're pretty sweet, they call them wireless keyboards/mice...

See also: Keyboard lap tray.

So much for not having to buy many accessories.

 

[AnotherAvatar]

:words:

As someone else mentioned you can use any game controller you want on a PC. You can also plug your PC into the TV if that's the reason why your 'neck is hurting.' Unless your TV is like a CRT from the 90s there should be a connector for the monitor so that you can switch the input. And if it is a really old TV you can probably buy an adapter for like a buck fifty at most.

That's the setup that I have and it's really nice for watching streaming netflix and other videos.

That's the worst idea I've ever heard. How the hell am I gonna control it from my bed?

... They make these things now, they're pretty sweet, they call them wireless keyboards/mice...

See also: Keyboard lap tray.

So much for not having to buy many accessories.

Funny thing about that is I can find all of this for less than the price of a 360 controller... Hmmmmmm

 

[theblindedhunter]

This sounds eerily familiar.
It wasn't so long ago that the feeling was kind of the same, for us PC players. At least as I remember it. The consoles (as in the ones that actually completed with PCs at the time, the Xbox and PS1) came out and developers and people flocked to them, they took a vast portion of the market share, and there was a bit of fear there that those of us who played on computers exclusively, and have that preference, would lose our connection to the medium in the process. So we got defensive, in general, and tried to sway the tide with logic in some cases and bile in others. And still do.
Welcome to life, I guess? This thing happens. You mostly learn to just deal with it, or maybe ought to.

 

[chuckdm]

Jokes aside, if anyone calls you stupid or a bad person, or not a "true gamer" because you game on a console, they're just being stupid themselves.

Certainly PCs have technical improvements and advantages over consoles. But this doesn't mean that PC gamers have free reign to browbeat console gamers because of it.

This coming from a PC gamer.

I have no problem with console users. I have a problem with studios that only develop for consoles. This problem indirectly causes me to get very angry at console users because I am then forced to invest my money into a $500 box that has no purpose other than playing games, just so I can play 2 or 3 "exclusive" titles.

Don't misunderstand that - if you have the money, or you just don't like the keyboard/mouse/whatever, or you don't like Windows, or even you only have enough money for one $500 box and you'd rather it run a third of your games well than a $500 PC running all your games slowly, I can understand ALL of that and I respect that.

The problem is when a studio somewhere out there assumes I am willing to do the same. Exactly 0 games are developed ON a console, yet almost half are developed exclusively FOR a console. This I have a problem with.

Release every game for every platform. Then I'm happy.

 

[VeneratedWulfen93]

Sounds to me like you're just making yourself feel their comments all the more because you're aware you should just get a better PC.

And if that's the case, then do it already man!

Quick fact: Every year new gear comes out, making last years gear much cheaper.

I just looked up the graphics card I have in my PC, a little over a year ago I bought it for around $700, now it's down to $350, and this card has run EVERY game I've thrown at it at full settings, and that includes Crysis, mind you my unnecessarily large ram adds to this, but that wasn't a bad price a year ago and I bet it's dirt cheap now. The tech is getting so strong now that I don't think you should try and box yourself in to the "I can't afford it" mindset, sure, if you are looking at this years absurd cards, but I'm here to tell you that it's not that expensive to build a quality gaming PC using last years parts, and it can easily be strong enough to last you for a while as well (plus, if there is a some huge leap in graphics made you can SLI in another card of your card the next year when it's even cheaper).

I feel like a lot of console gamers just buy into the "I can't afford a PC" mindset, while spending probably easily enough to build a new PC on accessories, the much more expensive games, or even having to pay to play online.

When I say things like this, I'm not trying to rub it in console gamers faces, I'm trying to wake them up and help them realize they're being swindled, especially if they own a 360 (from the mind-blowing-ly still an issue RRoD, to the absurd price of accessories, to paying for online play, that system is a money sink, long run you would likely save money on a PC compared to this).

I don't want the unwashed console masses to stay ignorant, I want to bathe them in the light of knowledge so they come out as the PC gaming masters they have always been inside.

If you read my post you would know I have a descent PC with an £80 graphics card. Seriously leave me to my shit system and stop being a damn priest. The only games I prefer on PC are RTS. Seriously do you guys every stop trying to make everyone a PC gamer? I havn't had RRoD since the jasper chip and people like you really get on my nerves. The smart alick 'There is no logical reason to play console' bastard that thinks all the problems of the industry will go away if people play PC.

As I said PC is better for RTS, that is all. Shooters are floaty and stupid on the PC. I played Fire Warrior a few years back and the PS2 version was so much better.

If by floaty you mean precise, and by stupid you mean hard for anyone not used to people actually being able to shoot you the second they see you.

I don't think everyone playing on a PC will solve all the problems in the industry, just a lot of them, and if you don't think that them maybe you aren't paying attention to the tactics Sony and Microsoft have been using on the console crowd.

And if you're going to insult me I'll have to throw some back. You're the type of person I hate, happy to be gouged by a faceless corporation with no hopes of freedom nor even a concept that they are trapped. Always quick to ***** about anyone pointing out the simple fact they are in their cage for fear of what that happy little cage really represents.

One last note: I don't go around in my daily life converting people to pc gaming, I'm an electronic musician and a student, gaming has very little to do with my life aside from as a terribly addicting hobby. So yes I do "stop trying to make everyone a pc gamer" quiet often, you're the one who made a post putting a massive target on your head saying "PC GAMERS! ON WHAT IS PROBABLY PRIMARILY A PC FORUM, FUCK YOU I LIKE CONSOLE!"

If you want to wallow in your console slavery, be my guest, for now, like everyone else, my only thought for you is:
Quit bitching.

I frequent these forums enough, I'm on a games design course and its all I bloody do when I'm not reading about video games on the internet. I don't feel like a slave at all. Microsoft charges me £40 a year when I earn £125 a week. I buy around 2 games a month, this week I'm buying Dishonoured.

I don't feel entitled to anything other than games and I get them. As soon as all the stuff you go on about effects me then I'll raise my fists in anger or when I get a job in the industry then I'll take action because then it will be my job.

Freedom? Trapped? Seriously? I can buy whatever games I want and play them whenever I want. You can rant about faceless corporations and such but unless it becomes and inconvinience to me then I won't care until I actually have a chance to do something rather than sign useless petitions or boycott developers because I didn't like a game.

 

[Techno Squidgy]

Besides, it was just two years ago that "PC Gaming was dying!"

PC gmaing has been 'dying' for years and years now.

 

[Thyunda]

:words:

As someone else mentioned you can use any game controller you want on a PC. You can also plug your PC into the TV if that's the reason why your 'neck is hurting.' Unless your TV is like a CRT from the 90s there should be a connector for the monitor so that you can switch the input. And if it is a really old TV you can probably buy an adapter for like a buck fifty at most.

That's the setup that I have and it's really nice for watching streaming netflix and other videos.

That's the worst idea I've ever heard. How the hell am I gonna control it from my bed?

... They make these things now, they're pretty sweet, they call them wireless keyboards/mice...

See also: Keyboard lap tray.

So much for not having to buy many accessories.

Funny thing about that is I can find all of this for less than the price of a 360 controller... Hmmmmmm

Try to remember your aim is to convert console players to PC gamers, not non-gamers to PC gamers. I already HAVE everything I need to play enjoyable games. You're gonna need some serious persuasion.

 

[VeneratedWulfen93]

This is gaming. Not civilisation. I am aware of the benefits of PC gaming however for me console is the logical choice.

You realize that reply to post function will auto correct spelling for you, right?

Gaming and civilization both function by the same laws. The 'stakes are lower' isn't a reason to choose the worse system.

1. i want to game with my friends. None of whom play PC or are interested in playing PC.

Sounds like a personal problem. I would just play consoles at their houses or not be friends with them in that manner. But you can just plug in multiple controllers on a PC and play the exact same games in the exact same manner. I've played 4 person games off of the same PC before.

2. There is no room in my room for a PC.

What are you Harry Potter? You don't have room for a one to two cubic foot box? Where is your computer then? Or is it your parents computer?

3. My internet goes off at 11 due to my parents trying to save electricity so I wouldn't be able to play any games on steam due to the recquired online connection.

I painted my media room and had to move my PC to a different room that had no access to internet last week. I was able to use my computer and play games on steam for 3 days without any internet access. You're completely wrong.

And I didn't even put it into offline mode first. I just moved it and booted it up. It saw there was no internet connection and went: 'hey do you want to play your games anyways?'

4. My console makes me happy, I feel no differant when I play Dawn of War on my PC.

Cool, but you're paying more for that same feeling. And don't have access to mod functions, fan patches to fix bugs, abandonware, emulators for older games, ect.

I hate splitscreen. Are you also implying that I should just tell my friends (Who I know in real life and have done for years) to fuck off and go play PC? No, just no. I only get a chance to speak to them on xbox due to our conflicting work hours and only see them about once a week.

My PC is in the study and in use by the family constantly.

Fair point on the internet one yet why does everyone complain about it?

I don't mind paying extra since I can still afford 40k stuff, tabs, drink on the weekends and food at college. Counting coppers.

 

[Fenris97]

I don't really care either way. I play both PC and Console - One's nice for one set of games (e.g. Morrowind, Minecraft, etc. on PC), the other's great for another set (E.g. Dark Souls, Halo, etc. on Xbox or Rayman on wii). What I'm saying, is this: Each to their taste, use what fits you best.

 

[MysticToast]

I always felt that gamers should not be prejudiced against because of how they play their games. I think that only divides the gaming community as a whole. To me, a gamer is a gamer. Whether that's on a console, PC or a handheld. I personally don't understand the need to take offense with others on how they choose to play games either. :x

Who are you and why aren't there more of you on this forum?

 

[hazabaza1]

Is PC gaming better?
Yes.
Is it because of graphics? No.
Are you not a true gamer if you don't play on pc? No.
PC is better because you don't have to go out and get a game, you can just buy it off steam.
Speaking of steam, you can get awesome deals on it, like Elder Scrolls 3-5+all dlc for only 50 bucks.

Consoles have downloadable games too and you can just order stuff online. (Not exclusive to consoles but y'know)
Steam is probably quicker, yes, but you can still get games on any platform without leaving the house.

 

[Mycroft Holmes]

That's the worst idea I've ever heard. How the hell am I gonna control it from my bed?

The same way you control a console system?

I don't see how it would matter that much unless your room is huge and you'd need a 50 foot cable to cross it. And if that is the case for some reason, there are wireless controllers.

Are you also implying that I should just tell my friends (Who I know in real life and have done for years) to fuck off and go play PC? No, just no.

Sounds like fun to me. Enemies are so much better than friends.

Console and PC devs tried cross-platform multiplayer but it was no fun for the console players because they got dominated by perfect sensitivity and accurate controls.

I only get a chance to speak to them on xbox due to our conflicting work hours and only see them about once a week.

Still a problem of them choosing a poor gaming system and not a real reason for consoles. If your friends all only played tic-tac-toe, it doesn't make it the greatest game ever. It just means that your friends have bad taste.

Fair point on the internet one yet why does everyone complain about it?

Because the people who complain about it don't even do a modicum of research beyond 'other people said it and it fits into my world view so I'll report it as truth.' Which is generally the logic behind most statements people make.

I don't mind paying extra since I can still afford 40k stuff, tabs, drink on the weekends and food at college. Counting coppers.

wow. great plan. Pay more for less.

 

[VeneratedWulfen93]

That's the worst idea I've ever heard. How the hell am I gonna control it from my bed?

The same way you control a console system?

I don't see how it would matter that much unless your room is huge and you'd need a 50 foot cable to cross it. And if that is the case for some reason, there are wireless controllers.

Are you also implying that I should just tell my friends (Who I know in real life and have done for years) to fuck off and go play PC? No, just no.

Sounds like fun to me. Enemies are so much better than friends.

Console and PC devs tried cross-platform multiplayer but it was no fun for the console players because they got dominated by perfect sensitivity and accurate controls.

I only get a chance to speak to them on xbox due to our conflicting work hours and only see them about once a week.

Still a problem of them choosing a poor gaming system and not a real reason for consoles. If your friends all only played tic-tac-toe, it doesn't make it the greatest game ever. It just means that your friends have bad taste.

Fair point on the internet one yet why does everyone complain about it?

Because the people who complain about it don't even do a modicum of research beyond 'other people said it and it fits into my world view so I'll report it as truth.' Which is generally the logic behind most statements people make.

I don't mind paying extra since I can still afford 40k stuff, tabs, drink on the weekends and food at college. Counting coppers.

wow. great plan. Pay more for less.

No it just means my friends like differant things to you. I'd rather have console gaming friends than PC gamers if all of them are as big a dickhead as you. Frankly I'd gladly get shafted by developers, pay more for games and take all the disadvantages of consoles x10 than associated with anyone with the same sense as you.

 

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

having read through (and responded to) a few posts, I'm going to add my two cents.

the PC gamers we have on here are, for the most part, a bunch of jerks.

The thing is that some people don't have the time and money to sink into a PC, and it isn't just the PC itself but all the other software that comes with it quickly makes teh damn thing very very expensive.

you build your PC for...oh...let's say around 700 dollars. Then add on top the different programs you need to buy to help it run or stay protected: and at least some of them are going to have monthly fee's that go along with it.

Congratulations! You are already 3 times more expensive then my console, and I haven't even bought a game yet.

Then you ahve the problem of people hacking your PC, the various viruses and bugs that come along with it and the general unpleasantness of the PC community.

And the funny thing is about this whole discussion is that half of the PC gamers on here are proving the OP's point: PC Gamers are Elitists.

I do not care how powerful your system is, I do not care how pretty your graphics are, I do not care about your PC exclusives and I do not care about your complaining about the inferior ports.

Someone I care about has offered to buy me a PC for gaming and I have reluctantly agreed, it's simply so we can play Guild Wars II together and that's it really.

But even when I get that, I'm still going to be a console gamer. Because it's fun, because it's simple and because I frankly couldn't care less about PC gaming.

If you're happy up in your ivory tower PC gamers, then fine: I'm happy for you. Stay up there.

What software are you talking about?

You gotta buy windows, but nothing really after that. The anti-virus software that is free does a perfectly good job.

Hacking, bugs and viruses - That's a computer problem, not a gaming problem...and it's not at all likely to be a problem at all so long as you're responsible on the internet. PSN getting hacked was more worrying to me than anything that's happened on a pc.

"Unpleasantness of the community" - Well I guess there's subjectivity at play here. My own personal experience is that I basically make a friend everytime I load up CS:GO, whereas when I played 360 online I got called a "******" alot... Your post makes you sound like you have no experience of gaming on PC's anyway...so you're just guessing, right?

Lastly. Aha ha ha..."ivory tower". Try not to stare at the beauty of the ivory-tower, it might cause you to fall off of your high-horse.

I gotta ask. Are the people who are bothered by this kind of thing as wimpy and moany in their day-to-day lives as they are on the internet? It must be hell going through life with such thin skin.

 

[VeneratedWulfen93]

having read through (and responded to) a few posts, I'm going to add my two cents.

the PC gamers we have on here are, for the most part, a bunch of jerks.

The thing is that some people don't have the time and money to sink into a PC, and it isn't just the PC itself but all the other software that comes with it quickly makes teh damn thing very very expensive.

you build your PC for...oh...let's say around 700 dollars. Then add on top the different programs you need to buy to help it run or stay protected: and at least some of them are going to have monthly fee's that go along with it.

Congratulations! You are already 3 times more expensive then my console, and I haven't even bought a game yet.

Then you ahve the problem of people hacking your PC, the various viruses and bugs that come along with it and the general unpleasantness of the PC community.

And the funny thing is about this whole discussion is that half of the PC gamers on here are proving the OP's point: PC Gamers are Elitists.

I do not care how powerful your system is, I do not care how pretty your graphics are, I do not care about your PC exclusives and I do not care about your complaining about the inferior ports.

Someone I care about has offered to buy me a PC for gaming and I have reluctantly agreed, it's simply so we can play Guild Wars II together and that's it really.

But even when I get that, I'm still going to be a console gamer. Because it's fun, because it's simple and because I frankly couldn't care less about PC gaming.

If you're happy up in your ivory tower PC gamers, then fine: I'm happy for you. Stay up there.

What software are you talking about?

You gotta buy windows, but nothing really after that. The anti-virus software that is free does a perfectly good job.

Hacking, bugs and viruses - That's a computer problem, not a gaming problem...and it's not at all likely to be a problem at all so long as you're responsible on the internet. PSN getting hacked was more worrying to me than anything that's happened on a pc.

"Unpleasantness of the community" - Well I guess there's subjectivity at play here. My own personal experience is that I basically make a friend everytime I load up CS:GO, whereas when I played 360 online I got called a "******" alot... Your post makes you sound like you have no experience of gaming on PC's anyway...so you're just guessing, right?

Lastly. Aha ha ha..."ivory tower". Try not to stare at the beauty of the ivory-tower, it might cause you to fall off of your high-horse.

I gotta ask. Are the people who are bothered by this kind of thing as wimpy and moany in their day-to-day lives as they are on the internet? It must be hell going through life with such thin skin.

For your point on the whole wimpy and moany. Its yes and no. I'm a wimp as expected of a geek and so would rather be a smart ass and get punched in the face than actually fight someone. However I rarely moan about anything. The last 3 things I moaned about extensively were, in order of most recent: This (I kept it bottled up for a long time), The new Necron codex (That shit just ain't funny) and the sawn off in Gears 3 (Worst weapon idea ever). Otherwise it normally takes alot to get under my skin, I was bullied for most of my school life and so just kinda put up with it. Physical abuse and such i can handle, having my passion for games questioned because of my system I guess I can't.

 

[VeneratedWulfen93]

The new Necron codex (That shit just ain't funny)

Matt fucking Ward man....

If he touches my Tau Codex...I shall be enraged

I can sum up the bullshit with three things.

Warscythe

Mindshackle scarabs

Complete butchering of the lore

I hope Matt Ward is dead by the time the new Eldar codex and even the Tau one. I can see it now. Assualt 15 Markerlights, Pulse Rifles would be AP 4, Fire Warriors BS 4!. That and he'd probably replace the Caste system with a fuedal japanese one or something.

I mean come on. Necrons= TOMB KINGS IN SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE now.