Let the incest begin!

[Shpongled]

Not saying i'm into it, but the sooner we leave illogical taboo's behind the better.

I don't think incest is an 'illogical taboo'.
It's genetically playing Russian roulette, for one, and, in this case, it just screams 'mommy issues'.
The guy lost his mom, and went search for his Grandmother. Sounds like a bizarre way for him to hold onto the memory of his dead mother, rather then him just 'falling in love' with this 72 year-old woman. 5 bucks says the guy never got along great with his mom, or never felt like he was the best son he could be.

I'm sure we won't agree on this, since objectivity is probably one of those 'illogical taboos' you've mentioned, but this is flat out wrong.

It's nothing to do with genetically deformed kids here. Read the article.

 

[Meggiepants]

You guys realise the only reason you find it wrong is because its been socially ingrained in you to think its wrong?

Actually, for me it has nothing to do with social norms. There's something icky feeling about it when I think of it.

I get the same feeling when I think of cannibalism. It think it's more instinctual than cultural, in my case at least. I don't see any moral problems with it.

I don't see any reason to stop it for others. It just grosses me out to think of my relatives on any level other than relatives. It goes much deeper than what society has decided is okay.

 

[Baby Tea]

I don't think incest is an 'illogical taboo'.
It's genetically playing Russian roulette, for one, and, in this case, it just screams 'mommy issues'.
The guy lost his mom, and went search for his Grandmother. Sounds like a bizarre way for him to hold onto the memory of his dead mother, rather then him just 'falling in love' with this 72 year-old woman. 5 bucks says the guy never got along great with his mom, or never felt like he was the best son he could be.

I'm sure we won't agree on this, since objectivity is probably one of those 'illogical taboos' you've mentioned, but this is flat out wrong.

It's nothing to do with genetically deformed kids here. Read the article.

I did. I know some other woman is holding the baby with some other egg.
That doesn't make it better.

 

[WolfMage]

You guys realise the only reason you find it wrong is because its been socially ingrained in you to think its wrong?

What, so you think it's OK?

With what I have discerned about this case, there isn't anything wrong about it, other than "Eww, some old lady is gonna have a fucking child!"
If it's all artificial insemination and implantation, then there isn't a single spot of moral high ground to stand on.
Personally, I find nothing wrong with this, or incest.
I only find something off when dealing with making kids w/o insemination and such. Mostly because it could cause issues for the child genetically.
Bunch of fucking uptight prudes with societal hate ingrained in your minds.

Why don't you get off of your high horse. Societies have social norms, get over it. Theses norms evolve, for instance, homosexuality and ethnic mixes are no longer considered taboo. But I can pretty much gurantee that some dude making out with his grandmother will never be looked upon as normal.

I never thought of being on a high horse, but ok.
I fully understand that each society has it's own set of "Do, don't do" rules, and that 90% of societies have a Don't placed on fucking in the family. And fuck no, that won't, for a ton of reasons.
But I'm sure that someday, certain other forms of incest may become semi-acceptable. Frowned upon, sure, but not burn-at-the-stake levels of stigma.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

You guys realise the only reason you find it wrong is because its been socially ingrained in you to think its wrong?

Actually, for me it has nothing to do with social norms. There's something icky feeling about it when I think of it.

I get the same feeling when I think of cannibalism. It think it's more instinctual than cultural, in my case at least. I don't see any moral problems with it.

I don't see any reason to stop it for others. It just grosses me out to think of my relatives on any level other than relatives. It goes much deeper than what society has decided is okay.

Exactly this. All animals (including humans) instinctually seek mates outside of their own genepool, this creates diversity and thus, evolution. Inbreeding does not achieve any of this, so it's not just wrong socially, any feelings of 'that' kind of love go against every instinct we have.

 

[Kathinka]

aww FUCK!

you guys realize i have to dissolve my brain in acid now? great...

 

[The Zango]

Um here this sums it up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYlJH81dSiw

 

[mchoueiri]

You guys realise the only reason you find it wrong is because its been socially ingrained in you to think its wrong?

its wrong on a moral level a genetic level it is wrong on every level

 

[DazZ.]

Not sure about the defect side of things, if that is rumour or fact. But one reason incest is illegal is because it messes up family trees and contracts, it's a taboo that is quite logically put in place.

So your argument against this is it makes the paperwork awkward.

Never said I was for or against it, my argument was that the taboo had logic behind it, unlike others where it was simple racial hatred/ignorance.

 

[Lord Mountbatten Reborn]

But I'm sure that someday, certain other forms of insect may become semi-acceptable. Frowned upon, sure, but not burn-at-the-stake levels of stigma.

I accept insects of every species, so long as they do not attempt to bite me. I feel that I am a very accepting individual because of this.

 

[Nimbus]

You guys realise the only reason you find it wrong is because its been socially ingrained in you to think its wrong?

It's also wrong on a genetic level. Evolution rewards diversity, nothing is gained through inbreeding except degenerative mutation. So it appears that nature also thinks it is wrong.

They're buying a surrogate egg and paying another woman to carry the pregnancy to term. Genetically, the grandmother is not involved.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

You guys realise the only reason you find it wrong is because its been socially ingrained in you to think its wrong?

It's also wrong on a genetic level. Evolution rewards diversity, nothing is gained through inbreeding except degenerative mutation. So it appears that nature also thinks it is wrong.

They're buying a surrogate egg and paying another woman to carry the pregnancy to term. Genetically, the grandmother is not involved.

I know, that, I'm the OP. But those feelings exist, he still loves his grandmother in such a way as to raise a child with her. The mens rea is there, just not the actus reus.

 

[Sigel]

...
Well, faith in humanity lost again, thanks for that.

I am just going to go vomit now and drink heavily to forget.

Edit-Have just read some other posts. facepalm
The age thing is not realy the issue here. It is more about the incest that makes it creepy and disgusting which seems to be lost on some people(I weep for this forum). -_- You are not supposed to have sex with grandma or any closely related relative for many, many reasons.

 

[Carnagath]

In this topic: People trying to impress over the internet with their pretend uber-tolerance. As for me, I vomited a little in my mouth.

 

[Xvito]

Faith in Humanity -10^10000

I feel properly sick to share a name with him.

This kinda thing happening with fish or ants or whatever, fair enough but comparatively "intelligent" human beings? No, just no.

The use of a surrogate, fair enough, everything else, just no, a grandmother and grandson having some sort of passionate relationship is wrong. I'm all for being close to your family but not THAT close.

You do realize that if you raise a real number with an even exponent the end result will always be a positive number, right?

So, your faith in humanity is going through the roof.

 

[Shpongled]

You guys realise the only reason you find it wrong is because its been socially ingrained in you to think its wrong?

Actually, for me it has nothing to do with social norms. There's something icky feeling about it when I think of it.

I get the same feeling when I think of cannibalism. It think it's more instinctual than cultural, in my case at least. I don't see any moral problems with it.

I don't see any reason to stop it for others. It just grosses me out to think of my relatives on any level other than relatives. It goes much deeper than what society has decided is okay.

Exactly this. All animals (including humans) instinctually seek mates outside of their own genepool, this creates diversity and thus, evolution. Inbreeding does not achieve any of this, so it's not just wrong socially, any feelings of 'that' kind of love go against every instinct we have.

Homosexuality is evolutionary suicide, if having offspring with a chance of a defect goes against instinct, what does not reproducing at all go against? Despite this i still think homosexuals should be free to do whatever the hell they want without people making threads on forums about how disgusting it is.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Faith in Humanity -10^10000

I feel properly sick to share a name with him.

This kinda thing happening with fish or ants or whatever, fair enough but comparatively "intelligent" human beings? No, just no.

The use of a surrogate, fair enough, everything else, just no, a grandmother and grandson having some sort of passionate relationship is wrong. I'm all for being close to your family but not THAT close.

You do realize that if you raise a real number with an even exponent the end result will always be a positive number, right?

So, your faith in humanity is going through the roof.

Yeah, you just mind-fucked me more than this whole incest thing.

[sub]I'm really bad at maths...[/sub]

 

[SnipErlite]

Erm...........well...........good.........for...........them?

Seriously I'm gonna go with "ewwwwww"

 

[DMonkey]

....huh....
Well, whatever makes them happy.
Not a road I would pursue myself, but as long as they are not popping out Bleeders, I am no one to try to stand in their way. Wish them the best of luck (they are going to need it).

 

[Daystar Clarion]

You guys realise the only reason you find it wrong is because its been socially ingrained in you to think its wrong?

Actually, for me it has nothing to do with social norms. There's something icky feeling about it when I think of it.

I get the same feeling when I think of cannibalism. It think it's more instinctual than cultural, in my case at least. I don't see any moral problems with it.

I don't see any reason to stop it for others. It just grosses me out to think of my relatives on any level other than relatives. It goes much deeper than what society has decided is okay.

Exactly this. All animals (including humans) instinctually seek mates outside of their own genepool, this creates diversity and thus, evolution. Inbreeding does not achieve any of this, so it's not just wrong socially, any feelings of 'that' kind of love go against every instinct we have.

Homosexuality is evolutionary suicide, if having offspring with a chance of a defect goes against instinct, what does not reproducing at all go against? Despite this i still think homosexuals should be free to do whatever the hell they want without people making threads on forums about how disgusting it is.

The planet is overpopulated. Maybe homosexuality is the answer. Removing people from adding to the population but still giving them that sense of love (sexual and otherwise) for another. Incest is none of these things.