Let's Not Ban RapeLay

[Sporky111]

This dilemma reminds me of: "While I may not agree with what you're saying, I'll fight to the death for your right to say it."

You don't have to support eroge, or enjoy it, or have even played one; this isn't about the game. It's about defending an adult's right to freedom of media. Of course, convincing some people that "video game" does not equal "toy" can't hurt. Once the slower part of the population finally realizes that video games are a new media rather than a childs plaything, we might not have to worry about this crap.

 

[dannymc18]

We have to wait when we become as common part of life as film and television when games like this are accepted and celebrated before we can stop having the headaches brought about by the media like this one.

You try making a TV show where young girls get graphically assaulted physically and sexually (from what I've seen in screenshots, but there's little else to go on) with no detailed spared. At least things like Boys Don't Cry are done tastefully, not full-on rape from start to finish just to satisfy some sick, deranged people out there. Also, like I said earlier, it boils down to who will be using Rapelay and how easy it is to imitate what happens. You can play GTA but there is absolutely zero chance of you amassing a hoarde or RPGs and taking on the US Military by yourself, but as for walking down a dark street and pulling a woman into the shadows.... And again, you have to look at who the game is for - people who are the most likely to carry out the actions in the future once they realise their needs can't be fulfilled by a simple game (again, the desire to blow up an entire state isn't a realistic need), or even, more worringly, ones who have commited such acts in the past.
I have plenty of points to make, but my mind is frazzled being up this late, so apologies if the above post makes no sense.

 

[Gamegodtre]

as a actual expert on Eroge games, playing all that have come to america by Peach Princess and G collections and some that have been translated and put to sale on DLsite and a purchaser of actual non translated games all i can say is so what i have played games were women rape women or men for that matter, also all of these games have a adult only rating on the box in big letters (and if i knew how to insert pictures i would of a cover of a game), as a avid player of these games due in part that some of them have very good stories or good looking characters all i can say is lay off. if your afraid the kiddies will get them they can't with out a credit card anyway since they aren't sold in any adult store let alone regular stores.(i've looked still have yet to see one) as for ones you can download illegally guess what if you go public saying your kid downloaded it the manufacture (i think) can actually sue you for illegally getting there game first off, second haven't you heard of parental controls for your web browser. Don't damn a whole slew of games that you know nothing about just because of that weak argument, Or i will slue a very big one at you just for the hell of it like this, The Statue of David is based on a underage boy, so take it down

 

[Gamegodtre]

also Toddlers and Tiaras (not sure thats what it is but Joel on the soup makes fun of it every week so i thought i would give it a honorable mention) , do i even need to continue on how sick that show is yet were is CNN?

 

[Lord_Ascendant]

This has a big neon sign saying, "Please Iseryn, please come shout at me."

Censorship is, yes, bad. But I never understood the point of eroge games. Why not just go to places where all sorts of sex are legal....*its somewhere in indonesia or asia or something, the name escapes me*

 

[Altorin]

This has a big neon sign saying, "Please Iseryn, please come shout at me."

Censorship is, yes, bad. But I never understood the point of eroge games. Why not just go to places where all sorts of sex are legal....*its somewhere in indonesia or asia or something, the name escapes me*

yes, uproot your entire life to satiate your sick sexual urges, rather then spend 4000 yen and satiate it from your bedroom.

I'm sure the "Go to Indonesia and rape a girl" market is HUGE compared to the eroge game market

 

[Dark Angel Warlord]

like example
someone is stalking jennifer
he cant have her he dont have courage to ask her out
so he photographs her and downloads her image to the game where he rapes her in the game
then he snaps one day and cant tell fantasy from reality and goes and rapes jennifer in real life

So you're saying that rape-themed games are worse than rape-themed books and rape-themed movies?

movies are rated and 90% of the time they are enforced games are not

and movies are not interactive

trust me all it will take is a few bible thumping congress or sentors and u will see censorship like u wouldnt belive

 

[Lord_Ascendant]

This has a big neon sign saying, "Please Iseryn, please come shout at me."

Censorship is, yes, bad. But I never understood the point of eroge games. Why not just go to places where all sorts of sex are legal....*its somewhere in indonesia or asia or something, the name escapes me*

yes, uproot your entire life to satiate your sick sexual urges, rather then spend 4000 yen and satiate it from your bedroom.

I'm sure the "Go to Indonesia and rape a girl" market is HUGE compared to the eroge game market

I'm not saying tis huge, but it happens. I dunno, I don't involve myself with things that do not interest me. I'm just not all that interested in Japan and their Video Games Industry's problems. This isn't Fahrenheit 451, it's just a news network blowing things out of proportion as usual. What can I say; birds fly, fish swim, Michael Atkinson molests sheep and News programs blow things out of proportion.

I was just surprised Iseryn didn't come here to rip Andy Chalk a new one, to be frank, since she's a very vocal opposition of these sorts of things. Its like Khell ranting about....well anything......we each have our schticks.

 

[deth2munkies]

I don't think this sort of thing is something that should be marketed by a reputable company. I think that ban or no, the games will still exist, but allowing them to exist solely for that purpose is merely to silently condone their existence and the content.

A good rule of thumb in ethics is that if you have to try really, really hard to come up for a reason that something is ethical, it's probably not.

 

[Dark Angel Warlord]

I WANT TO ASK THIS DONT FLAME ME OKAY
But if it was a rape a child game would there even be any arguement or discussing in favor of why this game should be allowed?

cuz im telling you rape games are the begining we will see child molesting games next

when we do we draw the line?

 

[Altorin]

A good rule of thumb in ethics is that if you have to try really, really hard to come up for a reason that something is ethical, it's probably not.

we don't have to try very hard at all.

1) there is rape everything else, and noone bats an eye
2) it's a game, for the same reason we can say violent video games don't make you violent, we can say a game where you rape someone won't turn you into a rapist
3) The country that the game is ONLY available in has one of the lowest percapita rates of rape and violent crime. Even if the rape number is larger because rapes largely go unreported, that's across the board. Rape is an underreported crime in ALL areas, not just Japan.

 

[omoto]

like example
someone is stalking jennifer
he cant have her he dont have courage to ask her out
so he photographs her and downloads her image to the game where he rapes her in the game
then he snaps one day and cant tell fantasy from reality and goes and rapes jennifer in real life

Like example
Someone is pissed with John
He can't do anything about it, because he's weaker than John, who beats him regularly
So he photographs him and downloads his image to a game where he shoots him
Then he snaps someday and and can't tell fantasy from reality and goes and shoots John in real life.

We should definitely ban CoD, Battlefield, Gears of War, Halo, CS, (insert FPS here)...
¬¬

You can say rapelay has a disgusting idea for a game, and I agree. But what about a game where you have sex with prostitutes and beat them up after it to get money? That's fine, right?

I don't like the idea of rape game, but its something only sold in Japan, where they have this weird culture on which this game is acceptable. If they can handle it, why should anyone try to impose their will on a sovereign country?

 

[Dr. wonderful]

I WANT TO ASK THIS DONT FLAME ME OKAY
But if it was a rape a child game would there even be any arguement or discussing in favor of why this game should be allowed?

cuz im telling you rape games are the begining we will see child molesting games next

when we do we draw the line?

One: They already exist, Lolicon is pretty much this.
two: We don't need a line, human beings should be able to draw their own lines.

 

[Rafe]

Maybe Rapelay could be a virtual outlet for possible rapists? Or possible an amplifier for desires they already have?

Censorship is never good but a line must be drawn somewhere.

EDIT: Oh wait, the Japanese government could have released the game and placed tracking devices on every disk to expose possible sex offenders in a hope of changing their subway-groping culture! Fine I'll keep my conspiracy theories to myself...

 

[Desworks]

I WANT TO ASK THIS DONT FLAME ME OKAY
But if it was a rape a child game would there even be any arguement or discussing in favor of why this game should be allowed?

cuz im telling you rape games are the begining we will see child molesting games next

when we do we draw the line?

I'd argue it. And depending on your definition, those games are already out there. For further details, just read up on Lolicon and Shotacon (I would suggest using Wikipedia for this if you're easily offended).

This argument pops up all the time on the internet though, and neither side ever changes their view. One side believes games like this are abhorrent, and their very existence is a blight on humanities blood splattered history. The other side may or may not agree with abhorrent part, but believes censorship of something that is not harming, but merely offending, people is a much bigger blight. You pick the side you're on, post your views and we dance this never-ending dance again until someone Godwin's the thread.

Then we all have a good laugh, dust ourselves off and wait until this resurfaces again.

As for me, I'm on the side that is against the censorship. If you feel that means I condone rape, child abuse or whatever, feel free to (mis)judge me all you wish. I will still be arguing the case for these games, movies, books, comics and associated artworks. Because I don't feel that something that offends me or anyone else should be banned merely for causing offence.

 

[Andy Chalk]

movies are rated and 90% of the time they are enforced games are not

Games are rated as well, and actually, studies by the FTC have consistently shown that the videogame industry has a higher rate of rating compliance than the movie, video or music industries.

That is to say, it's considerably easier for a kid to get into an R-rated movie or buy an R-rated DVD than it is to buy an M-rated videogame.

None of which actually has much to do with the question at hand, but those are the facts.

 

[Gildedtongue]

I think Neil Gaiman summed it up best.
http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2008/12/why-defend-freedom-of-icky-speech.html

 

[Altorin]

Maybe Rapelay could be a virtual outlet for possible rapists? Or possible an amplifier for desires they already have?

Censorship is never good but a line must be drawn somewhere.

Once you draw a line, it's easier for them to get you to draw the next line.

 

[deth2munkies]

A good rule of thumb in ethics is that if you have to try really, really hard to come up for a reason that something is ethical, it's probably not.

we don't have to try very hard at all.

1) there is rape everything else, and noone bats an eye
2) it's a game, for the same reason we can say violent video games don't make you violent, we can say a game where you rape someone won't turn you into a rapist
3) The country that the game is ONLY available in has one of the lowest percapita rates of rape and violent crime. Even if the rape number is larger because rapes largely go unreported, that's across the board. Rape is an underreported crime in ALL areas, not just Japan.

1) The only reason this is so is because Video Games are regulated by the ESRB whereas books and adult films are not regulated by the government. Using inconsistencies in regulation is not an excuse for the content.

2) That's beside the point and you know it. Violence is a part of daily life, you can turn on the news or the History Channel and see war scenes and scenes of violence, rape is not. Rape is a fundamentally different crime, as are all crimes involving sex. One could go on a tangent about the repression of sex in our society but that would be off-topic.

3) That's a red herring. Nobody, including me, is arguing that these video games = more rapists.

 

[Mr. Blik]

this is so controversial.....must not contribute....ugh

the logic behind his argument is sound.
i disagree with the premise of the game, greatly.
but my question is WHY this game is OK in japan like he said. What could possibly lead to that mentality?