Let's Not Ban RapeLay
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Entire thing here QFT. I also live in Japan and not once have I seen an underwear dispenser either. Although these types of games are legal in Japan, that does not mean that they're common, or popular, or even that most people don't have a problem with the content. I can't think of one Japanese person I know who would even think of playing Rapelay at all, much less buying it. When it comes to anime, the average perception I get around here is that it's a kids' thing, and you actually have to search for a while to find an anime that isn't directed at children or families. Most of the popular mainstream anime in America (the ones that used to run on Adult Swim, et al.) are seen as being for tweens and teenagers here. This includes Bleach, Shin-chan, FMA, and so on. The only one I have found any reference to at all over here that would be aimed at adults is Evangelion, which is still really popular here, and the only anime aimed at adults that people seem to know here, and it's probably mainly because there's a hugely popular Evangelion pachi-slot game. Manga aimed at adults, and by that I mean mature themes and not sexual content, is much easier to find, and that is in fact pretty common at least where I live out in the Japanese boonies. If people want "Adult Content", you have to go to an adult bookstore to get it, just like in the West.UberNoodle said:
In fact, get this: it's actually probably harder to buy a 18+ rated video game in Japan than it is in America. The video game stores I go to usually have 18+ rated games (for violence, like MadWorld, Assassin's Creed, and so on) under lock and key so kids can't even look at the box, and certainly can't buy the game. At one store, if I didn't look real closely, I wouldn't have noticed that they even sold those games there.
Seriously, when will people learn that all of Japan is not like Akihabara?
If we ban a game because it contains rape, then lets ban all the games that involve murder, reckless driving, animal cruelty (pokemon), illegal wars, speeding, etc.
Can't say I'd want to play a rape game, not while the internet is full of free porn, but I don't see why it should be censored on the grounds of its portraying something against the law.
Can't say I'd want to play a rape game, not while the internet is full of free porn, but I don't see why it should be censored on the grounds of its portraying something against the law.
The moral implications of rapelay are irrelevant.BlueHighwind said:
Sure, its sick and twisted. But its an adult game and adults should be allowed to chose for themselves what kind of games they want to buy. The government should not chose for me. Children should not (and if properly parented will not) play these games. I can parent my kids, don't need the governments help there either.
Besides that, you want to bad these games because they "might" have an adverse effect on people? You wanna ban drugs, alcohol, smoking, driving, walking thru town after hours, exercise, sugary snack foods, kitchen knives, sharp sticks? All those things "might" cause harm to someone, does the government decide to wrap everything in bubble wrap or do we act like responsible people and make mature choices about the content we do or do not want to indulge in?
Well?
What? Are you actually serious?Gamegodtre said:
They're not the same thing at all. For one, rape is a crime you can ONLY know about if it's reported - if someone is dead, it tends to be found out very, very quickly. Furthermore, there's no *shame* associated with murder like there is rape, particularly when it involves a very patriarchal society where honor and saving face are a huge part of the culture.
Murder doesn't HAVE to be reported. Rape does.
I totally agree with this post. The game was put out for adults to play not kids the internet is a wide open expanse now where you can find anything. Simply banning one thing we consider bad will not keep it out of hands of people, in fact it makes most people want to play it more to see what it is about. For us to ban this game we should ban all GTA's, Saints Row, 50 Cent, most movies out now, television, books, access to internet, hell they could even ban Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 cause of the airport stage when you are with Makarov. All the things stated above in some way or another can have what they are complaining about if they are really so scared of it they might as well ban the porn market altogether.JaredXE said:
Another thing to look at is who was the main group fighting against this game. Are the people opposing this game even from the country it was developed in? I am not saying that these people are wrong only that this game was never intended to be sold on store shelves anywhere except for Japan, yet we see little to no complaints or riots against this game from them. The group that is strongly opposing it is located in the US where the game was not supposed to end up. We must sit and look at this is this wrong because we do not have the same culture as Japan or simply because we are seeking something to appose.
This might just seem I am grasping for straws but can they not find anything to talk about there is so much going on in the world today to talk about yet the media only seems to focus on something that is not actually causing problems for anyone. I am not defending this game only simply stating to ban this we really have to take a step back and ask if we ban this should we start banning similar items. Our media and the people around us should not control the populous rather the people should control the media and the opinions of what is right or what is wrong.
Oh in response to this guys quote we must really look to see who is at fault if we are going to place any. As a worker in a Video Game store I commonly see parents who buy their 10 year old's games like GTA or Call of Duty. I always ask who it is for and tell them why it is bad even going so far as to point out the esrb rating on the back of the box telling the rating and why it is that rating. Yet when they go home and the kid plays it in front of the parent they come back a complain to me about me selling the game, the only thing I can think to say is I told you why it is this rating. No matter what the reason for the kids who do the wrong thing or people who break the law people refuse to look at themselves and say this is my fault. People are to quick to blame something for the wrong reason rather than trying to correct themselves who originally allowed the problem or the incident to happen. Not saying that everyone is like this I have met people who know they shouldn't let their kids or family play these games or see those movies or watch those tv shows the step in and prevent it from happening thus taking the initiative.
Sorry for the long rant if anyone wants to discuss further continue to post.
"The government does not control the people the people control the government."
Funny isn't it violence is A-Okay but anything sexual is bad (in games not the real world)...I don't think either in video games (or any other media) is going to have any effect on a mentally healthy individual. Obviously people with mental health issues are a separate problem.
i think you missed my point entirely(also murders can be covered up, or in mass numbers under determined but im getting way off point)(also "Murder doesn't HAVE to be reported" is kinda wrong as well or there would be no official murders by the police but i digress)John Funk said:
i'm saying we only have the reported numbers to go on here not imaginary figures that can be made up by anyone(i mean who are you Stephen Colbert who has made up words on his show like Truthiness). yes my example was a bit much, but to say, and claim, that the amount of unreported rape is even substantial, you would need to have some evidence on hand that could back up your assertion.
Organs clipping through each other?Furburt said:
Are you saying that they actually rendered the organs inside of the bodies in that game? What the hell is the point of that? Is there ever a time when you get to see a woman's exposed liver in the game or something?
EDIT: Oh, you mean the, in the, nvm, lol
Actually, Illusion are better at this now, and no such escape is possible for the poor demon-king in their latest title (wherein you, the player, must preserve your essential bodily fluids by any means necessary).Furburt said:
And that's better?SultanP said:
OT: I'm undecided on this issue. On the one hand, I oppose anything to do with rape. But on the other hand, anyone who would be inspired by the game to acutally commit rape shouldn't have access to it anyway. I don' think I would mind if the distribution of it was strictly controlled. The fact that it is downloadable and anyone can get a copy, including children, is my main issue with it.
An excellent dissection of the debate. The next time I get into a discussion over this, I'm going to use the following argument:
Children read books, but erotic romance novels (and much worse things) are available in bookstores and libraries. Therefore, children read books, but not all books are read by children. Likewise for videogames.
Children read books, but erotic romance novels (and much worse things) are available in bookstores and libraries. Therefore, children read books, but not all books are read by children. Likewise for videogames.
Both of these posts are my problem with the game. It's rape for rapes sake from what I gather. If it was a sex game.. I wouldn't play it, but I wouldn't have any problems with it. In RapeLays case however, well, I haven't played it obviously due to the fact a) it's unavailable here and b) like hell I'd pay for it anyway, but judging by even just the box art [http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/scanner/rapecvr.jpg].. that is you staring into the eyes of 2 young girls, one of which is of dubious age, who have tears in their eyes and are cowering in fear, just so you can get your rocks off (although I do believe the actual game is 3rd person view?). That's just too far. Anyway, going back to the point about "anyone who would be inspired by the game to acutally commit rape shouldn't have access to it anyway", as I've said before that I believe this is the only audience the game will possibly attract - not rapists per se, but people who would act on their urges to some extent.Crayzor said:
In comparison with violent games, very few people would ultimately have the desire to act upon their actions, not to mention the impossibility of imitating the games for a lone nut - you try getting Niko Bellic's firepower overnight by yourself without getting on at least a gazillion international watch lists. This type of game however, how easy would it be to follow a defenseless young(-ish) girl down a road and grab here? Again, not even for the full act of rape, but just grabbing.. it's still horrendously wrong, and extremely easy for anybody to do, as is shown in Japan itself. I don't believe it just happens to be coincidence that, as Andy excellently points out in the article that Japan is both the biggest, if not only, market for this type of game, but also probably the only place in the world where they have been forced to introduce women-only cars on crowded passenger trains [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women-only_passenger_car]. In theory the game is fine (well, not fine, but you know what I mean, all this "games force people to do X and Y and whatnot), but the problem again is that the only people that should, if human nature has any decency left in it, be drawn towards this type of game are people that either have or plan to act upon their sick fantasy.
I do agree that banning the game would possibly open the floodgates, just look at the Aussie [http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/01/aussie_conroy_censor/] Net [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8517829.stm] Filter [http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/web/google-and-yahoo-put-pressure-on-australia-net-filter-670787?src=rss&attr=all] or the sheer arseholes that are the IWF [http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/14/iwf_details_archive_blacklisting/], but at the same time I would hate for anybody to get their hands on it. It is just sick and wrong on so many levels, and no, I do not believe it comes close to anything of the likes of GTA or CoD, as I said above, so please stop comparing it to them, that's Fox's job. Like my views on the internet as a whole, let digital content be completely uninterefered with, but the minute someone attempts to download it - whether it be child porn, rapelay, or detailed plans of the Pentagon, local law enforcement should be poised and ready to start asking questions as to their motivations about it.
As for the culture of groping, molesting, and other such activities that are from what I gather quite rampant in Japan... lost for words, really.
I'm thinking that people are forgetting there's a difference between rape fantasy and actual rape.
Many people have a rape fetish, even outside of games.
It's no different than wanting to be tied up or being a furry or anything like that.
Furries don't have sex with animals.
People who fantasize about rape don't rape people.
Besides, Japan has one of the lowest rape rates in the world. I could make a decent argument that rape games prevent rape.
Many people have a rape fetish, even outside of games.
It's no different than wanting to be tied up or being a furry or anything like that.
Furries don't have sex with animals.
People who fantasize about rape don't rape people.
Besides, Japan has one of the lowest rape rates in the world. I could make a decent argument that rape games prevent rape.